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waymack97

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i have recently had a huge snail die off appox 20 in one week mostly turbo snails. any ideas what would cause this? i have check water quality daily, it has been fine. in the same week a peppermint shrimp has also turned up missing. i have not seen any unwanted critters?
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How big is your tank? How many total snails do you have? They could have just starved. The pep could have molted. They are also good at hide a seek. Check for the shrimp after dark. That is generall when they come out. How old is your tank?
 

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55 gallon i bought about 20 snails have around 5 left. it was assortment of snails turbo/nass/certh. most of the empty shells i found were turbos. i've had these guys for around 6 month with no problems i belive there is plenty to munch on. tank is 1 year 2 months old.
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Mexican Turbos are NOT for our warmer tanks. They're more of a temperate climate animal. They seem to slowly cook in our tanks.
 
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Are you sure? I've had mexican turbos in my tank for more than 3 years with out problems.
 
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knowse":o8ic21m4 said:
Mexican Turbos are NOT for our warmer tanks. They're more of a temperate climate animal. They seem to slowly cook in our tanks.

Totally agree. What's your temp?

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From what I know the mexican turbos are found in water that ar 72-78F which is similar to what we should be keeping our tanks. Unless you are running at 84F or higher they should be fine.
 
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Not disagreeing, Wazzel, I've got 3 in my tank. The LFS by me said he doesn't carry them because of the fact that they are found in colder waters and they will die if the temp goes too high...which is why I asked what his temp was.

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I would agree that is the tank is running hot it could be a problem. I do know the red footed moon snails do not do well in our tanks due to the temp.
 
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I was lied to by a LFS and the red footed lasted a week. I wish they would have done better, they eat the hell out of hair algae.
 

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Could also be someone in your tank is hungry. Hermits are a problem, but certain fish and possibly matis shrimp can also kill snails.
 
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There is a very nice 3 part article over at rc on snails. The first installment in May 04. Go read.
 
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waymack97":34j2adah said:
i have 5 very small blue legged hermits. water temp is 78 degrees. what are the signs of a mantis shrimp?

Your shells would be smashed, or at least battered a bit...I think it depends on the size of the mantis as well. Turbos tend to have a pretty good shell on them.

Is there algae in your tank? If there is, then you don't have to worry about them being starved.

Also, I've noticed that Turbos take a bit to aclimate. If you don't and just plop them in, I've had them die. ...just a thought.

HTHs,
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waymack97":y9ivzffx said:
55 gallon i bought about 20 snails have around 5 left. it was assortment of snails turbo/nass/certh. most of the empty shells i found were turbos. i've had these guys for around 6 month with no problems i belive there is plenty to munch on. tank is 1 year 2 months old.

Depending on the size of the snails, 20 snails could easily be too many for your 55 gallon tank to support. A common series of events that people report in cases of mass snail death goes as follows:

1.) Lots of snails in the tank doing fine for many months
2.) Snails start to die
3.) Massive snail die off over the course of days or a couple weeks with only a few individuals remaining
4.) Starvation is discounted as a cause because there appears to be lots of algae in the tank to eat.

One possible explanation here is that the snails initially have enough to eat because they are small and/or the relatively new tank is still going through algae blooms. As the snails grow, they need more food. At the same time, the tank matures and there is less algae for them to eat. At some point one or more snails starve and die. The dead snails decompose and cause an algae bloom, but it is often too late for many of the starving snails that are too far gone to survive. What the aquarists sees is snails dying and lots of algae.

Another possibility is a sudden change in salinity or the introduction of a toxin, such as copper. What is your salinity? Are you using filtered water or tap? If you are using tap water, do you have copper pipes or copper fittings anywhere in the water line?

In any event, I would not go out and buy a bunch of replacement snails. Let your tank recouperate for a few weeks and reassess the situation. If the remaining snails appear to be doing ok, then go ahead and add another one if you feel you need it. The key is to go slow from here on out in order to minimize or eliminate future losses.

Hope this helps,
Q
 

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