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See this thread at saltwaterfish.com
http://www.saltwaterfish.com/vb/showthread.php?t=164477
Their advice is
http://www.saltwaterfish.com/vb/showthread.php?t=164477
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So bob, what's your point :?:
You know I have to agree with what that guy said. I started my tank and had it about 9 months and had troubles with everything from nitrates to phosphates, hair algae, cyano, everything. I bought a hang on fuge and two quart bags of chaeto and after another 5 months with it my tank is a dream now. I thought all those stories about peoples corals growing fast were a joke and now I have a thriving tank with a few good growing corals and a beautiful Green Mandarin that is plump and one of the favorite things in my tank. And I will bet that if it werent for that fairly inexpensive investment I would still be struggling with all the same problems.
The only problem I have with the hang-ons is that once you have it and see how good it works you feel like you should have just spent some more money and bought a nice sump with a built in fuge and killed like 10 birds with one stone instead of 3 or 4.
Just my opinion though.
The only problem I have with the hang-ons is that once you have it and see how good it works you feel like you should have just spent some more money and bought a nice sump with a built in fuge and killed like 10 birds with one stone instead of 3 or 4.
Just my opinion though.
Good point Rob, but I don't feel that was the case. I used a lot of established live sand and rocks to start my tank from a good freind and it cycled quite quickly. I always was making headway on the problems but to get such a dramatic change from one piece of equipment is not coincedence. And I believe that. I'm working on building a sump/fuge now and I look forward to see what rewards lie ahead after that is put into the system. I am not playing devil's advocate either but I don't see why you need to make a comment like that on a post that has nothing more to do than encourage people who are getting going and looking for help. Many of the problems they are having are ones that people take lightly when they get further into the hobby. I bet you don't ever worry about some of the problems that a newbie with out a fuge or sump has.
I am not trying to pick a fight I just think posts like this help people looking for help. Heck we all started somewhere and poeple looking for info on problems they are having probably search for articles or experiences just like the ones posted here.
I am not trying to pick a fight I just think posts like this help people looking for help. Heck we all started somewhere and poeple looking for info on problems they are having probably search for articles or experiences just like the ones posted here.
gatorracer - Have you read any of my posts. I am looking for help with my tank just as bad as alomst everyone here. I have been battling hair algae for 2+ years.
I was just asking your opinions if that could have been the case as well with such a young tank.
I do not have a refugium and IMO are not needed if you find other ways of nutrient EXPORT. A refugium is a way to help remove export but it is NOT the cure all for woes of a new quarium. IMO most people use refugiums to cover up bad husbandry (bad maintenance).
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I was just asking your opinions if that could have been the case as well with such a young tank.
I do not have a refugium and IMO are not needed if you find other ways of nutrient EXPORT. A refugium is a way to help remove export but it is NOT the cure all for woes of a new quarium. IMO most people use refugiums to cover up bad husbandry (bad maintenance).
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Well, I had a hang on, on my old 29 which had been running 18 months. It didn't cure my cyano problems, didn't solve my pH flucuations or problems I had with alk and cal. It DID NOT do anything but add some water volume and a safe haven for pods.
It was nothing more than what it was advertised as, a safe haven. And to claim that it's a cure all, be all is just wrong for every body, especially the newbs.
It was nothing more than what it was advertised as, a safe haven. And to claim that it's a cure all, be all is just wrong for every body, especially the newbs.
Like I said I was not trying to pick a fight I was just stating the his link had the same opinion on his fuge as I did. If you dont agree thats fine I was just agreeing with the post. I learn more everytime I read these pages so there is no reason for anyone to take my advice over yours.
I guess this statement gets me a little bit. What is wrong with adding a piece of equipment that helps you have to do less work to keep your tank in good condition? Are you saying I am cheating the hobby or something by taking advantage of a fuge to help me lower nutrients, combat algae, and add productive organisms like pods to my tank. Thats like saying someone who puts a underground sprinkler in there yard to help the lawn has bad husbandry with their yard because they could just let the rain do it. And if you dont think so I would like to know why.
And I'm sorry if I missed something by not knowing what all your posts implied(about your tank and its algae problems). I read very often but I dont have every name and post and what is in their tank memorized. If your comment above wasn't directed as a kind of sarcastic insult then I apolgize for replying like I did just the way it was worded and with no explanation it looked like shot for no good reason.
Listen I'm not trying to create and foes on this board I do appreciate all the help I get and I hope that we are having a constructive arguement and no a flame fest.
Thanks again
I guess this statement gets me a little bit. What is wrong with adding a piece of equipment that helps you have to do less work to keep your tank in good condition? Are you saying I am cheating the hobby or something by taking advantage of a fuge to help me lower nutrients, combat algae, and add productive organisms like pods to my tank. Thats like saying someone who puts a underground sprinkler in there yard to help the lawn has bad husbandry with their yard because they could just let the rain do it. And if you dont think so I would like to know why.
And I'm sorry if I missed something by not knowing what all your posts implied(about your tank and its algae problems). I read very often but I dont have every name and post and what is in their tank memorized. If your comment above wasn't directed as a kind of sarcastic insult then I apolgize for replying like I did just the way it was worded and with no explanation it looked like shot for no good reason.
Listen I'm not trying to create and foes on this board I do appreciate all the help I get and I hope that we are having a constructive arguement and no a flame fest.
Thanks again
gator - Wasn't trying to be sarcastic at all. I have had the algae problems for a long time and I have tried allot of "gimmicks" to get this straightened out.
I do not see a problem with adding a Refugium as an aid to export nutrients at all. Just not the answer to ALL problems as allot of people think it is.
I am glad that you have found a way to get your tank balanced nicely - If its not broke do not fix it.
BTW - My Nano is sumpless. My first tank was sumpless ad actually never had the problems that I have had with my new sump tank. Just luck I am beginnign to think......
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I do not see a problem with adding a Refugium as an aid to export nutrients at all. Just not the answer to ALL problems as allot of people think it is.
I am glad that you have found a way to get your tank balanced nicely - If its not broke do not fix it.
BTW - My Nano is sumpless. My first tank was sumpless ad actually never had the problems that I have had with my new sump tank. Just luck I am beginnign to think......
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Gator, I don't want to speak out of turn on Rob's behalf. But the guy is doing everything he possibly can to get rid of hair algea. The person who posted the link above "claims" his tank is pristine and succesful and that it maintains it's self due to his "plant life".
Beaslebob likes his tank the way it is, and that's fine. Saying that Rob, is frustrated is an understatement.
Back ground reading for Rob's tank = newest topics first.
http://www.reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=68144
http://www.reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.p ... hp?t=65364
http://www.reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=64161
http://www.reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=63348
http://www.reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=61398
And a couple on Bob's theory's.
http://www.reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=65003
http://www.reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=66469
Beaslebob likes his tank the way it is, and that's fine. Saying that Rob, is frustrated is an understatement.
Back ground reading for Rob's tank = newest topics first.
http://www.reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=68144
http://www.reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.p ... hp?t=65364
http://www.reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=64161
http://www.reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=63348
http://www.reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=61398
And a couple on Bob's theory's.
http://www.reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=65003
http://www.reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=66469
Knowse- I was not saying a thing about Robs tank. Heck I hope he gets it figured out and lets us know how he did it. I don't think I ever mentioned that a fuge would fix his problem or is the solution I was merely stating that it helped me and I recommend it from the experience I had. I think what is happening here is that I agreed with Beaslbob, and that struck some kind of cord with the rest of you. And I definately have no idea what the "LPB" thing is about.
Im starting to have a hair algae problem myself (last couple months)..It is frustrating since the only way (feasible) way of ridding it, is to starve it. I agree with Rob in the fact that a fuge can be used to cover up bad maintanence practises..That doesnt mean a fuge isnt beneficial..I have no room for a fuge (not unless I move my tank and Im not doing that)..
I think there is a growing trend for new hobbiests to equate a refugium and an algal scrubber. Refugiums can be used for export but that is not their primary purpose. A scrubber is set up primarily to export nutrients. Algae scrubbers work but it's not all roses. To make a proper decision for your specific system you need to know the downsides and pitfalls as well as the benefits.
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