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I'm at my wits end. I've been in contact with three different LFSs, and no-one is willing to give me the straight poop.

My tank is WRECKED!! Every inch of myLR is covered with this stringy slimey crap. It's on the sand, on the glass..I don't know what to do. I'm doing well thought out water changes, I have 11 Hermits, 5 snails and a Lawnmower Blennie.

I have lost to date Every ornamental (and precious to me) occupant in this tank, including: Emerald crab...Pink tip anemone..Flame Scallop. I want to be a Reefkeeper!! Everytime my water is tested, it's results are Magnificant.

Tank specs are as follows:
20 gal T All-Glass
65x2 PC with moon light
12 Lbs of LR
11 BL Hermits
4 Cereths
1 M. Turbo
1 Aiptasia baby
Lawnmover Blennie.
Crap that is the color of Ground beef.

HELP!!
Anne
 

Nanogasm

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Stringy slimy ground beef coloured crap sounds like it could be cyano.

I feel your pain, if so. I've been battling cyano for a good month, and I'm finally on the winning side.

Whats your filtration and water flow like? And how long has your tank been up and running? And when you say tested water, what are you testing for?
 
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Thanks for the input. I can't remember how long my tank has been. More than three months. I have a Hang over filter, Whisper 30. A small in tank skimmer, doing alot of gunk. I have a power head, but I think I could do better on that. I may need one more or a more powerful head. It makes the tank water go in a circle. :(

I'm not sure where to go. What are your methods?

Anne
 
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Anne, when you make up your salt water for a water change, where are you getting the water from?

It does sound to me like you have cyanobacteria. Try and siphon out as much as you can when you do a water change.

More vigorous circulation from another powerhead will help, but not eliminate it.

Have you cleaned your whisper filter really good lately? Those filters cannot stay full of gunk or they really hurt your water quality.
 

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if you have a bio wheel I would take it out. if you can afford it consider upgrading skimmers. I know its a chunk but around $150 should get you a used AquaC remoroa HOT skimmer... and they work great.

If you only have 1 power head that could be a problem too, as already stated. Pick you up a few more and try to increase flow to low flow areas.

You can also up you water change, assuming it is clean RODI water, to 1 or 2x a week changing 10 G for your 20g tank.

Since is is a small tank and you no longer have denizens in there you might consider taking the RL out and scrubbing it with a toothbrush and rinsing it off. I had to do this a few times in the very early days.

This stuff doesnt go away over night, but it can be done with some persistance. Shoot for a month or so.

a LOT of ppl give up the hobby because of algae... but stick with it. YOU CAN DO IT!

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Illflyaway":2p8a7yrw said:
1 Aiptasia baby


lol...you DO know aptasia is a pest, right? Just checking!

How old is your tank? And what do you consider magnificent test results? Please post all your results for everything you test for, so people can help with other suggestions as well.

Agreed with the other two posts.

If you are going to keep that whisper, you MUST, Must clean it on at least a bi-weekly basis. They aren't so bad to have if maintained. I have a hang on wet/dry that I clean religiously. Change the filter cartridges, rinse it out completely, etc. I like mine as i can easily add carbon if nessecary, and it creates flow along the surface very well.
Also, turn it off during feeding for a while.

What is your light cycle? This can contribute to your problems as well. 12 hrs or less is fine.

Have you tested your phosphates? Check them out.

What is your water source for top off and wate changes? Tap? This water is a huge contributor to outbreaks in al but a few lucky people who have great tap water.


Good luck!
 

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I had cyano for a good month. Now, I can't even see a speck of it. I did a whack of reading on how I could beat it. Some of the trends I read, which many have stated here, are:

Increase water flow. Definately grab another powerhead, possibly even two. You don't have to have a hurricane in there, but you do need to have EVERY area with sufficient flow. Be sure not to aim the flow at corals that aren't appreciative of it. The ocean has high flow, often much more than an aquarium can simulate, but it isn't pinpoint targetted and constantly blasting the same direction like the results of a powerhead. Some careful angling and common sense is the key there.

Cyano, or the stuff you see isn't really the algae itself but a product of it. The cyano is actually underneath it. The stringy slimey crap is a food source it grows for itself. Yes, they are evolutionary evil bastards. I read that it is recommended for OTHER algae types, that you let it grow and grow and grow so it will eventually grow so big it will starve itself to death. But not the case with cyano as it grows its own food. So manually remove what you see, when you see it.

Test for Phosphates, Silicates and Nitrates, as they are the foundations upon which cyano develops. This is most often the source of the problem, and is where you should hone most of your efforts.

Silicates are often found in your water source (hence RODI during water changes). There are chemical means to remove silica from your water (filter bags that contain a grain-sized medium, but many sour upon unnatural ways of reefkeeping. Plus, chemicals don't only impact the cyano, they effect everything in your tank. And though the box they come in claims it is safe, many are skeptical on how the word 'safe' is defined by such manufacturers. Having said this, my readings showed a lot of people who claim positive results with no negative stories. No personal experience to share on it though.)

Nitrates develop from excess accumulated bacteria, hence removing your bio balls if you have any, and the cleaning of your filter as it builds up excess bacteria over time. Nitrates are also closely impacted by Phosphates.

Phosphates come from excess food in your tank, and I think can be found in your water source as well. Again, RODI will help here. And ensure to give your critters about 3 minutes to eat after you feed... if there is food still floating around, you're feeding too much. Scaling back the amount you put in per shot, but increasing the number of times you feed can be a good way to address this. Also, critters like Brittle stars (not the green kind as they are predatory) make excellent feeders of left over food that have lodged into rock or on your sandbed.

Algae growth proteins can also come from when you put your hands in the tank. Cleaning them really good before hand, or using latex gloves can help with that.

I have also read, I think... that the light cycle promotes phospate development. Thus the comment about ensuring your lighting isn't on too long.

Increased water changes (though if the problem is in your water source, this may actually promote the cycle).

Here is a link on water parameters. I found it very helpful:

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-05/rhf/index.php

Also, you mentioned your tank is 3 months old or so. Your anemone and scallop might have died because your tank hadn't matured enough. I hear one should wait atleast 6 months before adding invertebrates like these. I started with soft corals (daisys, xenia, toadstool) and that was after a good three months of letting the tank mature. Hope that helps.
 
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I cherish this feed back!!

Have you cleaned your whisper filter really good lately? Those filters cannot stay full of gunk or they really hurt your water quality

Oh yes. I clean it with very hot water each time, with the shower head.

if you have a bio wheel I would take it out

Nope. No biowheel.

Since is is a small tank and you no longer have denizens in there you might consider taking the RL out and scrubbing it with a toothbrush and rinsing it off.

I actually did this last night!! I hope it helps, it made a visual difference.

lol...you DO know aptasia is a pest, right? Just checking!

It is the only thing that has been spared "The unlucky Touch", so I left him be!


:lol:

My water has been checked thus far by a LFS. I think they called it 7 in 1 test. I defiatly recall phosphates being a part of the test. I'm having my water tested again on Mon. so will update then. I really appreciate the feed back.

As far as my water goes I've been using a Sterilite container in the basement, and am getting ready to run out.

My complete procedure was Fill with tap, add the drops for declorination and copper. Then Measure my salt and pour in. I stir with my clean hand, then I put a power head in with a air input. I left it go for 5 days before using it. I tested the salinity, which was a little high, so I topped it off with two gallons RO DI water from LFS. That's what I've been using thus far. I'm getting ready to make another batch, unfortunatly I can't afford 55 gal RO water, nor can I transport it. Soooo..

I broke down last night an scrubbed my rock out, and did a really good siphon. I can really tell a difference. I used my last Carbon filter, and the water is like crystal. So, I'm just gonna keep going!!

Again thank you guys, and keep the suggestions coming, I really appreciate it!

Anne
 
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Illflyaway":1beanwnx said:
My complete procedure was Fill with tap, add the drops for declorination and copper. Then Measure my salt and pour in. I stir with my clean hand, then I put a power head in with a air input. I left it go for 5 days before using it. I tested the salinity, which was a little high, so I topped it off with two gallons RO DI water from LFS. That's what I've been using thus far. I'm getting ready to make another batch, unfortunatly I can't afford 55 gal RO water, nor can I transport it. Soooo..


Anne

I know the RO water can be a pain and expense, but I would be willing to bet that using the tap water is a big part of the problem. I see you are in Ohio, I am also in the midwest, and here where I live our water is far too dirty to use in a reef tank. Some people are blessed to live in an area with very pure tap water, but that is really the exception.

Did they actually say you have no measurable phosphates? Any phosphates at all will cause algae issues.

Put an RO unit on your wish list, and do try and use it for top off as much as possible until then. I feel that if you can't use it for water changes, at least try and use it for top off. Since the top off water is replacing pure evaporated water, so you want the added water to also be as pure as possible, not just adding more pollutants.
 
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lol...you DO know aptasia is a pest, right? Just checking!

It is the only thing that has been spared "The unlucky Touch", so I left him be!

Get rid of it now befoer it spreads and kills corals.

My complete procedure was Fill with tap, add the drops for declorination and copper. Then Measure my salt and pour in. I stir with my clean hand, then I put a power head in with a air input. I left it go for 5 days before using it. I tested the salinity, which was a little high, so I topped it off with two gallons RO DI water from LFS. That's what I've been using thus far. I'm getting ready to make another batch, unfortunatly I can't afford 55 gal RO water, nor can I transport it. Soooo..

Do NOT use COPPER. It will destroy the LR. I wouldn't use the dechlorinator either.

You need to get and RO/DI system. Tap water is usually full of impurities.

I agree on the Remora Skimmer as well.
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I strongly recommend Rowa-phos, run through a reactor at a very low speed.

It strips the water bare of phosphates.

You can get a reactor for like twenty bucks in this month's group buy too - yay
 

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