5 Gallon Nano tank
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Josh Weber":142wpy0x said:
Yes, that is the smallest lionfish I've ever seem either, I have no idea it be available at such small size. I got lions all the time, I was able to switch them to forzen mysis in a very short peorid of time. I also pickup another larger lion about 2.5 inch long the same day, he is begin to eat some P.E. mysis shrimp already after only 1 day in the tank. The key is feed then both live food and forzen at the same time, it's really not that hard. This tiny lion so far only eat baby brine and adult brine shrimp, in time I'll switch it to P.E. mysis as well, if it survive that long. I have to agree lion at this size are very difficult to feed.
FragMaster,
I understand you concern, and everything you pointed out is 100% correct on a normal setup. What you failed to relize is although this looks like an typical fish tank, it is not. A speical bacteria was use to cycle this tank alone with the speical carbon inside the bubble filter. As you can see from the pictures there is no ammonia showing up on the ammonia alert, yellow center disc after 7 days, no ammonia, no nitrite and no nitrate period. There is no temperature swing, density is stable at 8.2. The baby lion is not at stress, its looking for food all the time, I feed it baby brine with mid size adult brine and it eat a lot. This tank is intend to show that it is possible to do a saltwater tank as small as a 5 gallon with 4 fish in it plus coral, if it is done right. Live rock is a good idea, I don't have any small size at the moment. When I do I'll put some in for the looks not for filtration. FREQUENT water change is a must, about 1 gallon every 2 weeks.
I understand you concern, and everything you pointed out is 100% correct on a normal setup. What you failed to relize is although this looks like an typical fish tank, it is not. A speical bacteria was use to cycle this tank alone with the speical carbon inside the bubble filter. As you can see from the pictures there is no ammonia showing up on the ammonia alert, yellow center disc after 7 days, no ammonia, no nitrite and no nitrate period. There is no temperature swing, density is stable at 8.2. The baby lion is not at stress, its looking for food all the time, I feed it baby brine with mid size adult brine and it eat a lot. This tank is intend to show that it is possible to do a saltwater tank as small as a 5 gallon with 4 fish in it plus coral, if it is done right. Live rock is a good idea, I don't have any small size at the moment. When I do I'll put some in for the looks not for filtration. FREQUENT water change is a must, about 1 gallon every 2 weeks.
Guy":3clufk6k said:
I've tried, it hard to get them. My yellow watchman goby is eating most the amphipods and getting really fat. For now I plan just feed it baby brine and adult brine until it gets bigger, even the forzen P.E. mysis is bigger then the lion.
hey, i didn't know it was that simple to switch lion fish to frozen. makes sence though. and obviously your doing just fine with the other ones, and what type of that bacteria did you use? if thats what did it for your tank, i'd like to get my hands on some.
josh
looking forward to some more pics!
josh
looking forward to some more pics!
Josh,
It's really easy, once the lion start to chase live food and eating it, drop the frozen shrimp in front of the lion. The lion has to see the food, he will follow the sinking mysis for a while, he may not eat it at first just keep trying. At one time I was able to hold a piece a shrimp in front of the tank, the lion actully follow my hand and up to the top of the tank, as soon as I drop the shrimp the lion went at it, it was pretty fun.
As for the bacteria, I don't sell it. You can call the Mfg see if they willing to send you some to try, I don't know. Here is the number 562-428-9973 ask for Bill after 9 am PST.
It's really easy, once the lion start to chase live food and eating it, drop the frozen shrimp in front of the lion. The lion has to see the food, he will follow the sinking mysis for a while, he may not eat it at first just keep trying. At one time I was able to hold a piece a shrimp in front of the tank, the lion actully follow my hand and up to the top of the tank, as soon as I drop the shrimp the lion went at it, it was pretty fun.
As for the bacteria, I don't sell it. You can call the Mfg see if they willing to send you some to try, I don't know. Here is the number 562-428-9973 ask for Bill after 9 am PST.
knucklehead":awpq6fr1 said:
I am in Los Angeles, I got it from a local importer this is the first time I seen lionfish at this size too, I should of got more, but I have no more tanks to put them in. My other fish will eat the tiny lion for lunch in a heart beat!
Cycling is when the populations of bacteria on solid surfaces in the tank reach levels sufficient to process waste in the tank.
The reason your ammonia level read 0 on day 1 is most likely because you simply hadn't built up any ammonia yet. However, you will.
The main problem I see with that tank is that there is no matrix for the bacteria to grow on. There's really nothing to cycle. It could do ok though, if you do very regular water changes and refesh the carbon in your filter frequently.
The reason your ammonia level read 0 on day 1 is most likely because you simply hadn't built up any ammonia yet. However, you will.
The main problem I see with that tank is that there is no matrix for the bacteria to grow on. There's really nothing to cycle. It could do ok though, if you do very regular water changes and refesh the carbon in your filter frequently.
Flabello Meandroid":3cs3d9po said:
You are correct on the above.
I can understand on day 1 with two fish, but how do you explain on day 8 with 4 fish ammonia still read zero? I feed the fish everyday and they poo a lot.
No matrix? What about the carbon inside the bubble filter, don't bacteria grow on those? And yes I agree regular water change and clean the carbon would help maintain water quality.
skylab1":cnzqlb7q said:
The precipitation I'm referring to is when the water can no longer sustain the supersaturated condition of Calcium. This is a property of PH, temp, Calcium, Carbonate (ALK), and Magnesium.
Typically, with normal temp and Magnesium you can maintain high levels of 2 but not three of the following - Calcium, Carbonate, and PH. When all three are high the Calcium will chemically combine with Carbonate and precipitate out of solution as a Calcium carbonate "snowstorm".
Very similar to cold + high humidity + dust = snow.
Since I see no snow or even any crusting on your heater (high temp makes it worse) my conclusion is that one of your tests has produced erroneous results.
Guy":2ouq3793 said:
Guy, thank you for your explaination. You seem to know a lot of this stuff what do you do for living if you don't mind I asking? I am very impress by you. My test kit are all new and I use two different kits to compare the result so I don't think its wrong.
I don't dose any calcium, the high calcium leve is coming from the pH rock inside the filter. I use it to buffer pH and calcium, that may be the reason why you don't see any crusting on the heater or snow. I was told before by using the pH rock to buffer pH and calcium at high level precipitation will not occur, I guess he was right. BTW, the only other thing I put in was sealab #28 trace element blox, I think you should know this.
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