5 Gallon Nano tank

[Anonymous]

There's already a 5 page discussion about this in the nano forum, as Matt posted a link to. Sky and his buddy Bill "Snake" discuss the "new science" based system they're using (and Bill sells). Lots of vague science talk. You'd probably find it interesting Guy, if you can wade through 5 pages of pseudo-science sales pitch. It'll throw a little more light on what they're talking about here.
I know I'm far from convinced.

 

[FragMaster]

Facts are facts. Fish waste dosent go any where if there isnt a large enough supply of beneficial bacteria to eat it up, or proper filtration.

1: no rock
2: no sand
3: a bubble filter
4: 4 fish one of which needs to be in a 29g tank minimum.
5: No protien skimmer
All of this equals fish death and system failure.
Unless you change the water every day in there with that many fish the system will fail. it is only a question of when , not if.

Because I can see this going in this direction for defense and proof thatit can be done somehow later on down the road :

This is not the same system as one of the once popular cherry shrimp sealed habitats. ( cant think of the name?)
In that habitat, there was substrate, live plants,live shrimp and live rock.
The shrimp fed the plants with its watse, the plants gave off oxygen by absorbing the waste in the water, the algae that grew fed the shrimp, the microfauna on the live rock and in the sand balanced the nitrites and nitrate,as well as ph buffer.
those systems were based on a creature that can survive in a HIGHLY
fluctuating enviorment.

There is no balance and can never be in that system the way it is set up.
To support all of that life with no rock and no substrate youwould have to have a 29g fuge below with sand, rock, and a skimmer in it.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Snake USMC]

Dear Guy,

No, 500 is not a magic number. Myself and many people have had Ca elevated in their tanks up to 1200 mg/L without the snow ball effect.

When you say a high number is not healthy in a normal reef tank, where do you subscribe to this information? I have Clams that instead of growing 1/4 inch a year now grow 2.5 to 3 inches (not cm) a year with this system.

CaOH or hydrated Lime comes from the German word what we know as Chalk. This system does not employ Chalk water, so that formula and the CaCl is out the window.

We are not using Aragonite but rather our pH rock. Now what you don’t understand about this system, if you had reread the other post on the other board NANO, you will notice I said this system not only produces Carbonic acid, which everyone is hung up here on, but also HNO3. Combined, this is what produces the instant reaction we are looking for and the results we have achieved.

Free floating means TSS not TDS. In this case. IF and I say IF in your terms ALK was free floating, then any chemical which reduces TSS in the water would also instantly reduce ALK in the water, unless the ALK was TDS rather than TSS.

So to put it in layman’s terms the acids react with the pH rock at a high pH and maintain that pH , Ca, and ALK. It is very simple.

Remember it only took 11 years of mistakes before I found how to do it correctly.

Respectfully submitted,

Snake

Ps, I shall only address your comments on the other Nano Board because of my limited time. So if you desire for a response, go there. I shall not post here again. Also you will find test data by Certified Laboratories concerning our product (out house testing)

 

[FragMaster]

"out house testing"

:lol:

NO3= Nitrate
HNO3 = Nitric Acid
It is toxic to all known living organisms.
Nitric acid is extremely hazardous. It is corrosive, reactive, an oxidizer, and a poison.

I am definately going to read up on your post in the Nano forum.

 

[Snake USMC]

I have responded to your post on the other form.

Snake

 

[GSchiemer]

Can someone explain the point of this aquarium? Is it too see how long we can torture fish before they die? If so, then it's a good experiment.

With all this talk of calcium and O2, we've lost the point here. Fragmaster is 100% correct: these fish cannot be kept in that volume of water indefinitely and it's doomed to failure, despite the addition of the "magic" bacteria. I sure hope no one tries to emulate this lunacy.

Greg

 

[FragMaster]

I just want to see physical proof. Either a picture of the product its self, the web site where we can buy it, or a link to one of his "customers". Not an algea tank, and a 5.5g torture chamber.

 

[Mihai]

Skylab,

what the heck do you do on this forum? The main idea of this forum (I believe) is for beginners (like yourself) is to learn something from people with experience (like many on this thread - Guy and Greg Schiemmer for instance).

What's the point of this post? You seem to believe that if you fart in a fishtank some magic will happen while you don't know/understand/willing to learn the most basic things about a fish tank (like, Ca/Alk, O2, nitrogen cycle).

So again, what are you doing here? Why waste your time?

M.

 

[FragMaster]

:lol: He said "fart" :lol:

 

[skylab1]

I just want to see phisical proof. Either a picture of the product its self, the web site where we can buy it, or a link to one of his "customers".

here you go:

Aquatic Life, (Retailer) Stuart, FL
561-287-7177 (no web site)

CB Pets
"Mark Oerkfitz" <[email protected]>
http://www.cbpets.com/

http://www.maast.org/index.php?name=PNp ... ic&t=17996

Above is CBPets thread on MAAST using the same method as my 5 gallon nano. I am sure you can buy the product from them.

 

[FragMaster]

Allgood , but WHAT IS THE NAME OF YOUR PRODUCT?
I cant ask if I dont even know what it is called.

 

[skylab1]

Skylab,

what the heck do you do on this forum? The main idea of this forum (I believe) is for beginners (like yourself) is to learn something from people with experience (like many on this thread - Guy and Greg Schiemmer for instance).

What's the point of this post? You seem to believe that if you fart in a fishtank some magic will happen while you don't know/understand/willing to learn the most basic things about a fish tank (like, Ca/Alk, O2, nitrogen cycle).

So again, what are you doing here? Why waste your time?

M.

First of all I am not a beginners like you, and second I know more/understand the basic on fish tank than most of you. Third, the point of this to give beginners (like yourself) a option to do things differently. You don't have to like it, but don't attack it just because you don't understand it, afarid, or just don't like it.

This is the main problem of the industry, and you all wondering if this system is so good why isn't more people using it. With all due respect Mihai, it is becaues people like you who would shut it down just because you say it doesn't work.

I see many of the comments here are saying "this tank is due to fail", "its doomed", "it will crash". Frankly, all this time I've been keeping fish, fresh or salt I never once had a tank crash on me. I can't understand how in the world can you crash a tank in the first place without throw a rock at it. Then again what do I know right?

 

[skylab1]

Allgood , but WHAT IS THE NAME OF YOUR PRODUCT?
I cant ask if I dont even know what it is called.

Tri-base carbon

Right Now bacteria

and pH Rock.

 

[FragMaster]

Any one want a T-shirt or a mug? Thats all your going to get out of the information on MAAST about it in relation to buying it there http://www.maast.org/index.php?module=c ... =maast_org

Here is the TBPC
Hiatt Distributors Limited Products
http://www.hdltd.com/products/p_tribase.html
Nothing new here but yet another high grade carbon.

Here is the "right now!" bacteria
Hiatt Distributors Limited Products
http://www.hdltd.com/products/p_rightnow.html
Nothng different here either that hasnt already been on the market for
before this. IE "Cycle".

Here is where you can buy it all, and what exactly the PH rock is.
( basicly its a freaking balance block rip off from HBH)
http://www.memory-doctor.com/PHadj.htm

Why would it have been so hard for you to have just posted those links?



This ENTIRE thread has been nothing but advertisment propoganda for
The makers at Hiatt Distributors Limited Products. Thats why it is so in depth on MAAST. He is a sponsor.
I see why they were banned on RC several times.

 

[skylab1]

Day 13

Sorry no pics, camera still in repair.

Water test result:

Temp: 82
pH 8.4
Ammo:0
NO2:0
NO3:0
CA: 550 (down from 650)
Alk: 280 (up from 200)

50% water change was done after the test. Filter was also clean out.

I've added thin layer of clean dry coral sand to the bottom, with the sand the filter finally stop "dancing" all over the place.

The lion fish start to eat some mysid shrimp today, but he still perfer live feed.

 

[FragMaster]

Wait a minute...............




Wasnt the main factor in this thing that fact that water changes were a thing of the past so to speak?

 

[Len]

Just a reminder to keep it constructive and civil.

 

[skylab1]

Wait a minute...............

Wasnt the main factor in this thing that fact that water changes were a thing of the past so to speak?

Where did you get that idea from?

 

[Len]

I will follow this thread for pictorial updates. Hopefully skylab will be kind enough to keep up the tank updates over the course of several months to a year. Photographic evidence should testify to the validity of this "new science" (which has yet to be explained).

skylab, do you understand how this process works? Can you explain the workings of this product or are you following Snake's advice blindly? If you can, I (and I am sure others) have questions for you regarding this "new science."

 

[skylab1]

Here is where you can buy it all, and what exactly the PH rock is.
( basicly its a freaking balance block rip off from HBH)
http://www.memory-doctor.com/PHadj.htm

Why would it have been so hard for you to have just posted those links?

This ENTIRE thread has been nothing but advertisment propoganda for
The makers at Hiatt Distributors Limited Products. Thats why it is so in depth on MAAST. He is a sponsor.

If you think pH rock is a rip off from HBH, why don't you call HBH see if they know what a pH rock is? Go ahead call them.

Memory doctor don't know them.

Where in this thread of any other threads you saw this product was offer for sale? Please point it out. You've ask where to buy, I gave you the link. HDL don't sell to the public (that's you) what's the point to post a link that you can't buy from?

Are you saying I should become a sponsor here then I can talk about this in depth? Really?