Recently killed all ich 37 days with out it,have a concern on possible effects on my Groupers and Triggers.Can I run copper permanetly at say .20 or .30 and still kill any potential ich in future.I have heard of people running copper in Fish only Tanks.Current copper in Tanks is .35 should I try to lower that it has been at this level over a month.Could use some help on this one please.
Effects of copper on Groupers and Triggers long term
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My opinion is to stop medicating the tank and reduce copper to as low a level as you can. Many lethal dose studies demonstrate that vertebrates and inverts alike are susceptible to Cu poisoning from either acute high level or chronic low level exposure. Metals get assimilated into tissues and organ and will cause real damage over time. It's not good for your fish's long term health.
Besides, there is no reason to administer Cu all the time. Fishes kept stress-free and healthy should have immune systems capable of warding off ich, so the key is to find what is stressing your fishes and address that problem. There are also natural remedies like cleaner wrasses and cleaner shrimps, although you won't be able to keep any inverts in your tank for the foreseeable future..
Besides, there is no reason to administer Cu all the time. Fishes kept stress-free and healthy should have immune systems capable of warding off ich, so the key is to find what is stressing your fishes and address that problem. There are also natural remedies like cleaner wrasses and cleaner shrimps, although you won't be able to keep any inverts in your tank for the foreseeable future..
Snapper, as stated by myself and several others in your last thread on this subject, (did you even read your responses?) running copper all the time in a display tank is not only unwise, but a poor fix for inadequate husbandry practices.
Quarantine your new arrivals, and you have no need to medicate your display tank - ever, let alone all the time. To even suggest such a thing is silly. Stores do this sometimes because they are getting in new fish weekly, and the fish move out (or die) quickly. A smart store owner just runs his tanks in a constant state of hyposalinity. In any case, you are not a store.
Copper is TOXIC, not only to C.irritans, but to the fish themselves.
Read parts one through five of this article
http://www.marineaquariumadvice.com/aqu ... ish_1.html
There is absolutely NO reason why you can't keep these hardy, bullet proof, most easily maintained, trouble free fish without constantly medicating. Normally I tell people that you have to hang a grouper or a trigger on a clothesline to kill it. :|
Quarantine your new arrivals, and you have no need to medicate your display tank - ever, let alone all the time. To even suggest such a thing is silly. Stores do this sometimes because they are getting in new fish weekly, and the fish move out (or die) quickly. A smart store owner just runs his tanks in a constant state of hyposalinity. In any case, you are not a store.
Copper is TOXIC, not only to C.irritans, but to the fish themselves.
Read parts one through five of this article
http://www.marineaquariumadvice.com/aqu ... ish_1.html
There is absolutely NO reason why you can't keep these hardy, bullet proof, most easily maintained, trouble free fish without constantly medicating. Normally I tell people that you have to hang a grouper or a trigger on a clothesline to kill it. :|
then the following is happening (this is a non-exclusive list 
):
a:you aren't doing ANY effective water changes (should be a MINIMUM of 25% every two weeks-i'd recommend far higher percentages, in a predator tank)
b:you aren't reading the true level of copper to begin with-could be a crappy test kit
c:you dosed a far higher level of copper than indicated (see b)
d:your pH is dropping, releasing more copper ion into the system (see b)
e:you're using a highly chelated form of copper (see b,c,d)
):a:you aren't doing ANY effective water changes (should be a MINIMUM of 25% every two weeks-i'd recommend far higher percentages, in a predator tank)
b:you aren't reading the true level of copper to begin with-could be a crappy test kit
c:you dosed a far higher level of copper than indicated (see b)
d:your pH is dropping, releasing more copper ion into the system (see b)
e:you're using a highly chelated form of copper (see b,c,d)
He didn't understand why this isn't a good idea, and hopefully the posts by his peers, and the link I provided will go a long way towards assuaging that situation. He didn't realize what exactly C. irritans is, what it needs to survive, and the steps necessary to prevent it. Bottom line, he was looking for medicinal insurance that he wouldn't have another outbreak. :wink:
I will look into getting the Copper down,once you have had a bad outbrake of ich like I had it tends to make one paranoid.I have not put any more copper in my Tanks in a Month people understand that.I understand that copper is Toxic, and will work on getting the copper down and out.I will say that this is the best short term Treatment for EVIL ICH its all Dead WAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Thanks to all for the advice and you JiMM for the tough love :wink:
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