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bigbris1

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Right now I'm running a 260W PC fixture on mt 40 long, but after seeing a couple of tanks w/T5 lighting, I'm tempted to switch to 4 54W T5s (or T5HO).

Does anyone have any experience with the differences? I tried a search but "T5" is too short.
 

ming

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Make sure you get something with individual reflectors because thats what makes the difference, and also what kills the PC lights. Theres no good way to make a good reflector for a bulb which half of the light shines on the other side of the bulb.
If you don't get individual reflectors, might as well keep the PC's IMO
 

ming

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So those fixtures like this one is really no better than my PC fixture?

Correct
You generally get what you pay for.
If you want to do it right, You would have to choose between Tek or IceCap fixtures for T5's. IceCap's are a notch higher because of their ballast, but you will also need fans to cool the bulbs to prolong their lives (take this advice with any light fixture though)
 
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Please don't buy that junk.Made in China.No offense to anyone.At least try Current USA or Coralife

Coralife is made in China too.:lol_large

Cannot remember too well about whether Current uses parts from China or not.

Made in where seems not a good indicator

Individual reflector is ideal but when you have no other choice, a T5 will is brighter than a PC at the same wattage and settings.
 
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KathyC

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Make sure you get something with individual reflectors because thats what makes the difference, and also what kills the PC lights. Theres no good way to make a good reflector for a bulb which half of the light shines on the other side of the bulb.
If you don't get individual reflectors, might as well keep the PC's IMO

Bris..Ming has it totally correct. Both T5's & PC's are fluorescent lights. Period. The difference is the shape & sizes of the bulbs at the most basic.
The HUGE difference comes in when you talk about reflectors. Ming is very when he speaks of losing half of the light of the bulbs without use of an individual reflector for each. That's why when you look at a good T5 - they are so bright.
I don't mean to echo all that Ming said, but I recently learned a LOT about lighting from a fellow who designs lighting systems..so I'd like to reinforce the really good advise when it shows up here :)

Two other things I learned. They quality of the reflector is huge..it's amazing how much more light you will get from the entire bulb if the reflector isn't made of a more porus material (may still look shiny to us, but there are big differences.) You do get what you pay for in a reflector.

Second thing is fans that run in your canopy...if you & your reef buddy have identical MH lights..and your fans circulate the warm air away from your lights..and his blow directly onto his MH's to keep them cool - you will get better growth (if all other factors remain the same). The cooling of the bulb itself will reduce the par of the bulb. They need to be run at the temperature they were intended to run at. If we do something to change that temp, we have reduced their ability to do what is expected of them.

Thanks for letting me butt in :)
 

masterswimmer

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Are you looking for retro kit or fixture?

Fixtures:
Sunlight Supply (top notch)
Aquactinics (top notch)

Retro Kits:
IceCap (top notch)
Sunlight Supply (very good)

Like previously mentioned, and extremely critical to performance, highly polished, parabolic, individual reflectors for each bulb.

swimmer
 
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My response is in red

Both T5's & PC's are fluorescent lights. Period. The difference is the shape & sizes of the bulbs at the most basic. Even though they are all fluorescent in theory but actually they are different in energy efficiency. Many LED also use flourescent material to make different colors but they do not perform the same as regular fluorescent bulbs.
The HUGE difference comes in when you talk about reflectors. Agreed.
Ming is very when he speaks of losing half of the light of the bulbs without use of an individual reflector for each.
This true to almost any bulbs which cannot emit light at only one direction
That's why when you look at a good T5 - they are so bright.
I don't mean to echo all that Ming said, but I recently learned a LOT about lighting from a fellow who designs lighting systems..so I'd like to reinforce the really good advise when it shows up here :)

Two other things I learned. They quality of the reflector is huge..(agreed)it's amazing how much more light you will get from the entire bulb if the reflector isn't made of a more porus material (may still look shiny to us, but there are big differences.) You do get what you pay for in a reflector.

Second thing is fans that run in your canopy...if you & your reef buddy have identical MH lights..and your fans circulate the warm air away from your lights..and his blow directly onto his MH's to keep them cool - you will get better growth (if all other factors remain the same). The cooling of the bulb itself will reduce the par of the bulb. They need to be run at the temperature they were intended to run at. (same in T5, if you know the optimal temp, it can much brighter) If we do something to change that temp, we have reduced their ability to do what is expected of them.

Thanks for letting me butt in :)
 
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KathyC

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Thanks Wingo!! :)
It's good to get important info like this out there. I think many of us are very confused when it comes to bulbs..as easily noticed by the sheer volume of threads asking questions about them!
 

bigbris1

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I really appreciate all of the responses, thank you.

My main interest in T5 bulbs comes from the fact that my tank is only 13" deep so space is an option. Also, I like to run open top, so a canopy is out & I stayed away from MH because of this & the fact that since my Oceanic has a huge glass center brace, I would need a bulb on either side, plus since my tank is only 16" high, I think MH would be overkill, even if I used 2 150s. Also, I didn't want a huge ballast & a spike in my electricity bill.

Having stated the above, in my mind I could do 4 T5's w/individual reflectors & get a little more light in my tank without bleaching everything.

I did learn something tho, & I will reconnect the fan my fixture has. I disconnected it because I thought I didn't need it (open top) but maybe the bulbs will last longer.

Thanks again.
 

drperetz

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T5s are a great choice for ur tank.. Not only it produces more light @ the same wattage and has no light spill due to parabolic reflectors, there are endless impossibilities with the settings of the position of the bulbs. I bought a tek-light made by sunlight supply.... Great powerful fixture...
 

bigbris1

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Yes, but how many bulbs would I need with these reflectors? Currently I have 260 watts (2 x 65W 10K, 2 x 65W Actinic 03) Would I still need 4 with individual reflectors, or could I get away with 2 or 3?
 

masterswimmer

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We use the Sunlight Supply TEK fixtures above our SPS propagation system as well as over personal displays as well. The issue I see with you using only a three bulb setup is which bulbs would you use? 1 actinic + 2 daylight? I like the balance of 2-actinic and 2-daylight (aquablue+ (11K)).

We will have a display at the swap on Sunday showing the color temperature of these bulbs. It will help you make your decision much easier.

Russ
 

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