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d5332

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SCENERIO- 25 individual 15 gallon fish tanks, same closed loop filtration for all 25 tanks (1 sump, 1 pump support all 25).
QUESTION-If I have roughly 20 hippo tangs in 1 of the 25 tanks and all of the Hippo Tangs have ICH/DISEASE??
DO YOU THINK THAT THE OTHER 24 TANKS ARE COMPROMISED?
OR do you think that 1 tank full of ICH/DISEASE IN A CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM IS ONLY CONFINED TO THE SINGLE TANK AND THE OTHER 24 TANKS ARE DISEASE FREE?
 
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d5332

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I dont remember the exact number of tanks in the system but its a closed loop system, one sump....
I agree with all of you and so would a Marine Biologist!!!
I contacted the last place I purchased fish from to inform them that the fish I purchased were all sick and or did not eat and died. I was not seeking credit, sympathy nor was a response, my last sentence ?I don?t expect a response?. I was simply telling them to check their tanks and sell healthy stock.
I am still in disbelief that I am staring at an email at my work email address?.The email is huge and as to be expected blames me for everything?that?s ok, I was not asking for credit nor sympathy?I was simply informing them that they should not sell fish that are not eating AND that they should check their tanks because they are filled with Disease so I don?t mind the manager is blaming me for everything.
In response to my suggestion to check their tanks and pointing out that their Hippo Tangs all had ICH (which I pointed out to the Manager/owner directly during my visit and he remembers me visiting) ?..Well in response to the ICH, the person that replied to my email said?.
BECAUSE ONE TANK WITH FISH HAS ICH DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE OTHER FISH IN THE SYSTEM ARE EXPOSED TO ICH!!!!
Now?I do not want this thread to turn into a why didn?t you QT or which vendor was it or whatever other deviation.
I, Diego screwed up?I found a place selling fish cheaper than Live Aquaria and got excited and became blinded. I followed my own protocol for introducing fish and it failed me. My current headache is my own doing so let?s not deviate.
Yes, I promise to QT for at least 3 weeks from now on. Yes I have a QT tank now (20g), yes I will pick my fish more carefully next time, I promise, I promise, I promise.
But how do you like them apples?a fish retailer insinuating that disease cannot be free floating and affect other tanks as a means of emphasizing that if the fish I purchased from his store are sick and or dead it is due simply because of the way I acclimated them and that disease in his store is isolated to one tank?..I am laughing and raising an eyebrow at the same time.
Anyway?.anyone reading this?when you buy fish, don?t be blinded by great deals, volume or friendliness, do your shopping wisely and stick a QT tank somewhere because as you can see there are people out there that sell fish that are willing to put in writing that one sick tank does not compromise the system, reminds me of Petco/Petland?..
 
Imbarrie

Imbarrie

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Manhattan Reefs
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New York
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SCENERIO- 25 individual 15 gallon fish tanks and each tank has it's own filtration.

BUT

There is one net being used in all the tanks.
The employees are not washing their hands between tanks.
Water from a tank drips into a tank below it.
Once more all the tanks are at risk.
 
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d5332

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Manhattan Reefs
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I did not consider the Net issue but yes, they were using the same holding cup and nets because while I was deciding on the next fish to buy, one employee borrowed the acrylic container to help another customer and then brought it back to us.

Either case, this manager of this store will argue with you as he did with me that it is not possible.

Even claimed to have a veterinarian friend that can attest to all this and that can confirm that I am at fault, lol...its a rediculous reply, he should have listened to the last sentence and not replied at all.


Imbarrie said:
SCENERIO- 25 individual 15 gallon fish tanks and each tank has it's own filtration.

BUT

There is one net being used in all the tanks.
The employees are not washing their hands between tanks.
Water from a tank drips into a tank below it.
Once more all the tanks are at risk.
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d5332

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Manhattan Reefs
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I know, I suck at times?I am only human?I made a mistake and thought I could cover myself by doing my holding phase/freshwater baths and then introducing. That?s one process that has been proven to not be 100% solution. I did not expect the fin and tail rot situation nor the Angel not eating but did think I could avoid the ICH.
The great super low prices prices, huge selection, vendor status on MR and friendly service caused me to become blind with joy of finding fish sooo cheaply priced and such a great assortment to choose from and I made the trip to NY I did not want to come back empty handed.
I mean purple firefish for $10 really!?!? Those little guys are money makers, huge margin on those but they were being sold at $12 and I got it for $10, everything in that store is very low priced but a word of caution is you MUST QT for 3 to 4 weeks and have meds in hand.


rbtwo4 said:
kinda like i saw FW in a couple of tanks at my LFS do u think id ever buy any live stock from in there after seeing it? im sure those FW are in most tanks being the tanks all run on same line and probably pump.
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d5332

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Manhattan Reefs
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Regarding the Vet comment, he said he had his Vet friend read and analyzed what I wrote and he said that the Vet concluded it was my fault. He compared my problem to ammonia burn, he even provided an example of feeding the fish prior to shipping and that what I did was the same.
All I was trying to do was bring to his attention that his lack of attention affects people and that if he was truly a hobbyist at heart he would understand and appreciate the feedback.
Learn from my experience and don?t be blinded. There is a saying that goes ?if it?s too good to be true??.? QT QT QT QT QT QT QT??

albano said:
Tell him to have the Vet, put it in writing!
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Imbarrie

Imbarrie

PADI Dive Inst
Manhattan Reefs
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New York
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The reason the prices are so low is they are probably trans shipped.
This method is the most stressful for the fish and their survival rates with this method or terrible.

I dont know why this method is even allowed to be honest. It gives the hobby a really bad name. I like to pay more for wholesale fish. If you like low prices, you will have higher losses. Counter-intuitively, it probably works out to be more expensive for a new reefer to buy cheaper fish in the long run. JMO.
The bellow was lifted from a website, it gives you a good overview of what preceded your fishes low price.

The fish that come into the U.S. from the Pacific
(except Hawai'i) have generally been bagged for
nearly 24 hours when they reach the West Coast.
One of two things happens here. They will be
acclimated and then either put in tanks in a
wholesale facility, or immediately reshipped out
to a wholesaler or store east of here. If they are
put in tanks here at a wholesalers', they are
called wholesale fish. If they are re-shipped out
immediately after acclimation, they are called
"trans-shipped" fish. Many stores buy trans-shipped
fish, because they are cheaper than tanked,
wholesale fish.
The retailer takes a bit of a chance on a few more
DOA's to get cheaper fish, so he can offer them for
less to you. If his supplier is good, he can save
money, and get good fish, if they are handled with
the proper care here when reacclimated and repacked.
 
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d5332

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Manhattan Reefs
Location
Newark
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Oh well, sucks for me!

Lost money and have a nice headache to deal with at home and my wife's voice to further rub it in..."you see, I told you not to go to NY but you would not listen" lol...

Now she wont even let me put food in the tank without first witnessing that I washed my hands, kind of annoying but I get her point.

Imbarrie said:
The reason the prices are so low is they are probably trans shipped.
This method is the most stressful for the fish and their survival rates with this method or terrible.

I dont know why this method is even allowed to be honest. It gives the hobby a really bad name. I like to pay more for wholesale fish. If you like low prices, you will have higher losses. Counter-intuitively, it probably works out to be more expensive for a new reefer to buy cheaper fish in the long run. JMO.
The bellow was lifted from a website, it gives you a good overview of what preceded your fishes low price.

The fish that come into the U.S. from the Pacific
(except Hawai'i) have generally been bagged for
nearly 24 hours when they reach the West Coast.
One of two things happens here. They will be
acclimated and then either put in tanks in a
wholesale facility, or immediately reshipped out
to a wholesaler or store east of here. If they are
put in tanks here at a wholesalers', they are
called wholesale fish. If they are re-shipped out
immediately after acclimation, they are called
"trans-shipped" fish. Many stores buy trans-shipped
fish, because they are cheaper than tanked,
wholesale fish.
The retailer takes a bit of a chance on a few more
DOA's to get cheaper fish, so he can offer them for
less to you. If his supplier is good, he can save
money, and get good fish, if they are handled with
the proper care here when reacclimated and repacked.
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Chiefmcfuz

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My suggestion after saying that a qt is a lifesaver is that next time you have any urge to buy look at all of the fish in the system and make sure all are healthy before you buy. Hope you bounce back quickly. Good luck with everything.
 
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d5332

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Manhattan Reefs
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Newark
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My wife being the voice of reason said the same thing...

I don't mind the QT period as long as no more fish die and as long as my wife tolerates the extra tanks. My son does not mind the "hospitals". Those that are dead already received their farewell and my son performed last rights and the royal flush.

From the fish I already had, none have died, 4 are in QT after a week of Quick Cure no longer have cysts and have stopped scratching but will remain in hypo for weeks because I am closing monitoring the fish that are still in the main tank.

I am callling this my WAKE UP call.

Your advise is well received, I will never ever ever again believe that I can beat the forces of nature nor be blinded with joy at an awesome deal.




Chiefmcfuz said:
My suggestion after saying that a qt is a lifesaver is that next time you have any urge to buy look at all of the fish in the system and make sure all are healthy before you buy. Hope you bounce back quickly. Good luck with everything.
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d5332

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Manhattan Reefs
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Buying livestock is like sex...if you don't really know the person that you are getting it from you are bound to catch a disease sooner rather than later....(yes, I am bored, 3pm crash)
 
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