Fashion clown fish
- Thread starter duke62
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- Location
- Westchester, N.Y
Why is this such a big deal. Nobody putting a gun in your face to buy these clowns. If you like it and have the money to spend its your choice. Just like people said about cars, frag, LPS , SPS. You like it you you buy it. You don't why talk about it if you don't like it. Your jealous that you don't want it. People buy expensive clothes and some people won't buy $100 shirt because somebody name is on it. Gave this a rest already. Terrible topic..
I'm with duke on this. I have a beautiful tank stocked to the rim with Rare sticks,LE whatever the hell people call them and i can care less. I pay 0 or close to it for each frag. I have no desire for 90% of those clowns. I was going to actually buy a pair of designer clowns until i realized how ridiculous the people selling them are. "hes this lineage" "hes got a dot here" " these are not SA junk", I couldn't possible support that and went with some beautiful percs. People who spend the money just ruin it for the rest of the hobbyists that cant afford them, but you guys are the reason this mentality exists....but who cares is right..let everyone waste their money. I however can afford anything i want but choose not too. Hobby = fun
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- Location
- Dingmans ferry PA
Difference is no one bred my SPS to look like a freak of nature. Nature made my LPS to look the way they look. Like Marrone said they do not have healthy genes. All i hear is if you have the money and you like it why not,you know why not these are not rare fish. They are breeding them by the thousands and the market is flooded so why the high price. Because people who keeps saying if you have the money why not so the price tag will be high and they will keep producing these ugly unhealthy fsh because they found people to spend 200 for the fish so if 1 in 200 get sold they will still make a huge profit while the other 199 fish suffer and die. You hear it hear all the time dont let your damsel suffer by flushing it down the toilet yet those same people will go buy these fish knowing they are mutated and the other 199 clowns will be in 10 gallon tanks suffering waiting for there death because there isnt a big enough market to sell them all for what a black mark on the fishes butt thats not supposed to be there so it sold for 1000 bucks. it just ridiculous. People want a piece of the ocean in there house yet want there tank to look like a mad scientist put it together. Nothing is more beautiful then what nature already designed why mess it up
- Location
- Bergen County, NJ
Not all fish are bred to be mutated. Nature does it all the time, just most of them probably do not survive in nature or just never caught.
People are bred to be mutants, and noone complains about that!
Wild Collected Mutant Fish
http://reefbuilders.com/2012/10/29/phantom-tomato-clownfish-collected-philippines/
Another Wild Collected Mutant Fish
http://reefbuilders.com/2011/06/27/wild-picasso-clownfish/
People are bred to be mutants, and noone complains about that!
Wild Collected Mutant Fish
http://reefbuilders.com/2012/10/29/phantom-tomato-clownfish-collected-philippines/
Another Wild Collected Mutant Fish
http://reefbuilders.com/2011/06/27/wild-picasso-clownfish/
- Location
- jersey city
There is 3 types of clownfishes ,traditionals,designers,n hybrids,
Now, Picasso,n snowflakes are natural just breed them in to have better marking,snowflake started showing up in a hatchery in England those were the first snowflake,Wyoming whites showed up from a regular pair of ocellaris that c-quest had , those traditionals are the regular,3 bars ,ocellaris,percula,onyx,maroon,skunk etc.. hybrids ..snowonyx,photons,
My point is they have these wonderful clowns in nature also like it or not I would pay 1200$ for a albino saddle back
I would not in hell pay 3500$ for a tank I rather pay 350$ for a deep blue rimless you see its all about the taste
Now, Picasso,n snowflakes are natural just breed them in to have better marking,snowflake started showing up in a hatchery in England those were the first snowflake,Wyoming whites showed up from a regular pair of ocellaris that c-quest had , those traditionals are the regular,3 bars ,ocellaris,percula,onyx,maroon,skunk etc.. hybrids ..snowonyx,photons,
My point is they have these wonderful clowns in nature also like it or not I would pay 1200$ for a albino saddle back
I would not in hell pay 3500$ for a tank I rather pay 350$ for a deep blue rimless you see its all about the taste
- Location
- jersey city
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This is a wild cought Picasso.(not mines)
This is a wild cought Picasso.(not mines)
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Currently, its a combination of things - Mainly prices and the mentality. Especially when you realize what its doing to the hobby in general! Person A charges 300 for a clown. Person B realizes hey, if people will spend 300 on a clown i can raise "Y" to a higher amount. Overall stuff like this destroys the hobby.
Yes, i did own naked clowns a few years ago. Besides the fact that i had no understanding of the mutation they weren't much more expensive then a regular clown at 30$ each. & those clowns were mentally challenged.
From the replies i think we can see that being a tree huger on this topic isn't going to get anyone anywhere. Especially since everyone keeps throwing out this affordability comment.
Its the mentality of the breeders, buyers, and the price tag that annoys me. My reply wasn't geared towards you directly but this rare clown market as a whole.
I'm also pretty sure that 3500 dollar comment above was aimed at me which ill gladly reply by saying that i spent nearly 1/2 that amount. The most important part of this hobby for me is craftsmanship,functionality, & dependability. My tank sure beats or compares to any other tanks build quality on the market and i can prove that any day.
Yes, i did own naked clowns a few years ago. Besides the fact that i had no understanding of the mutation they weren't much more expensive then a regular clown at 30$ each. & those clowns were mentally challenged.
From the replies i think we can see that being a tree huger on this topic isn't going to get anyone anywhere. Especially since everyone keeps throwing out this affordability comment.
Its the mentality of the breeders, buyers, and the price tag that annoys me. My reply wasn't geared towards you directly but this rare clown market as a whole.
I'm also pretty sure that 3500 dollar comment above was aimed at me which ill gladly reply by saying that i spent nearly 1/2 that amount. The most important part of this hobby for me is craftsmanship,functionality, & dependability. My tank sure beats or compares to any other tanks build quality on the market and i can prove that any day.
- Location
- Flushing NY 11355
I do not understand why there is such a topic IMO. We are capitalistic market driven world, so it's the market who drive the price level. If people are paying the higher level price, so be it. If people are paying lower level price, so be it. There is no reason in argue where the price level should be as ALL fish/coral purchases are luxury not necessity. No one dies because he/she cannot buy a "Black Ice" If you think a Black Ice worth only $15 then good for you and when the market price is there, grab it. There is no point asking why they are not at $15 NOW so that you can enjoy the fish NOW. Market drives the price level-it's not a monoply. My same thinking goes for any reefing equipment too, not just live stock. Why people pay extra for a certain propeller that are using magnetic to stick on the wall and charge 10 times more than a traditional powerhead? How many of you guys don't have one? I am really jealous that you guys are able to afford those propellers but I won't ask people why the maker(similarly, breeders in fish) does not sell those for $40 each. See, I do not WANT to afford that price and cannot even try to save money to make one for myself (as I knew all the science about it) because it is patented. So for those who can afford and want to afford the price of a designer clown, good for you. For those who enjoy traditional looking clowns good for you too. The market has both choices.
- Location
- Dingmans ferry PA
The point isnt about a car price,equipment price or a frag price its about a fish that is in abundance that is mutated and are priced like a rare fish which make the other clown fish which are bred with them to swim in small holding containers and get diseased and when sold not have a long term life because of this. its not about who can afford and who cannot because im sure 75% of reefers can buy these fish just choose not to because of these concerns. if a product is worth the high price tag we buy it if its not we dont. now if the clown fish cando tricks and blow bubbles i would buy it that would be cool
- Location
- Flushing NY 11355
From LFS experiences, tank bred fish are way more viable than wild caught ones.
I do not believe these designer fish are really in abundance, or else we would have seen a lot of them in the swap bred by good friends like Sanjay or Joah/Rookie. Sanjay had raised only 10-12 Gens 2012. Tank breeding fish is actually VERY HARD can cost A LOT of MONEY to raise them. You can ask them how many fish they can actually raise over a period of 6 months and how much money they have spent in the food alone. To give you a glimpse. The algae paste alone is $60 for a bottle. For same amount of money invested in the breeding fish, I can easily make couple times more just by importing wild caught fish.
I do not believe these designer fish are really in abundance, or else we would have seen a lot of them in the swap bred by good friends like Sanjay or Joah/Rookie. Sanjay had raised only 10-12 Gens 2012. Tank breeding fish is actually VERY HARD can cost A LOT of MONEY to raise them. You can ask them how many fish they can actually raise over a period of 6 months and how much money they have spent in the food alone. To give you a glimpse. The algae paste alone is $60 for a bottle. For same amount of money invested in the breeding fish, I can easily make couple times more just by importing wild caught fish.
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- Location
- New Jersey
There are only one type of clownfish and that is anemonefish. Those three classifications of traditional hybrid and designers are all given to these animals by a person. They are used to market.
Hybrids that are wild occuring are not mutants, they are hybrids from cross breeding that is not man made but naturally occuring which happens. Some of the common variants of clarki complex clowns and skunks clowns are mostly likely naturally occuring hybrids that have become seperate species over time.
Designers are man made and the result of selective breeding but I personally dont like them but its keeping fish from being collected from the ocean so its ok to an extent. In terms of breeding they all cost the same to raise, there is no cost difference between a Rhino glatdiator helmet and regular ocellaris.
The problem with alot of the "designer clowns" is that they dont begin to show signs of deformation or gill problems or stubby noses till they grow larger.
There are people who paid 350 dollars and up for a fish that is inbred and possibly have gill problems. In the long run they may also breed more fish with the same deformity.
If breeders keep breeding these clowns and inbreeding them when this fad ends, people are going to have to start collecting wild caught clowns again to restart breeding perfect barred fish.
The people looking for perfect barred ocellaris and percula are non existent now.
Hybrids that are wild occuring are not mutants, they are hybrids from cross breeding that is not man made but naturally occuring which happens. Some of the common variants of clarki complex clowns and skunks clowns are mostly likely naturally occuring hybrids that have become seperate species over time.
Designers are man made and the result of selective breeding but I personally dont like them but its keeping fish from being collected from the ocean so its ok to an extent. In terms of breeding they all cost the same to raise, there is no cost difference between a Rhino glatdiator helmet and regular ocellaris.
The problem with alot of the "designer clowns" is that they dont begin to show signs of deformation or gill problems or stubby noses till they grow larger.
There are people who paid 350 dollars and up for a fish that is inbred and possibly have gill problems. In the long run they may also breed more fish with the same deformity.
If breeders keep breeding these clowns and inbreeding them when this fad ends, people are going to have to start collecting wild caught clowns again to restart breeding perfect barred fish.
The people looking for perfect barred ocellaris and percula are non existent now.
its all about demand, if theirs a big demand theirs a big price. just like a vortech, tunz or koralia they all move water. but people are willing to pay $465 for a vortech, i would like to see the profit margin. they are of great quality but you can buy 8 koralia's for that price. but we feel we have to have what the jone's have. for the clowns I'm sure it takes time and money to breed designer clowns so i would think they cost more than wild caught but i think $150 and up is a lot of money. its all in the eye of the beholder. so if want it then buy it, cause your not taking it with you.
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- Dingmans ferry PA
So if it is so much money why are reg clowns that are bred cosy MAYBE 50 dollars per fish. They are raised the exact same way
- Location
- New Jersey
Genetics take a roll in this but to simplify this (this is not exact genetics but a simply explanation)
If two clowns have 100 babies 25 look like mom 25 like dad and 50 mix of the two.
Take two of those mix babies and then you get 25 like mom 25 like dad and 50 mish mosh.
The more you mix the more in the same blood line the more of chance for deformity.
If two clowns have 100 babies 25 look like mom 25 like dad and 50 mix of the two.
Take two of those mix babies and then you get 25 like mom 25 like dad and 50 mish mosh.
The more you mix the more in the same blood line the more of chance for deformity.
- Location
- Westchester, N.Y
Hey you guys figure out gene pool. Is that why you shouldn't marry your sister or first cousin. We are all going to look like fat lip percula.:splitspin
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