Damn recession killing everything!! including saltwater tanks!

[Reefsaint]

When will America wake up! seems the entire world is taking advantage of us and were letting it happen! No gas shortage yet were paying through the nose we sponser eveyone with issues but not our own! we pay farmers not to farm??
What do you think!!
I call it the fall of the American Empire!!

 

[muntai]

have no fear, mr bush's stimultus package is on its way. :lol:

 

[Reefsaint]

Yeah i know! We will get a few bucks spend it on bills or good times and then next year have to pay tax on it as received income! cant beat that!:scratchch

It so funny how at first everyone was crazed over the increase of gas prices then all of a sudden accepted it ! Even though there is ample supply and our own companies cant explain it and no one asks.
:banghead:
Man that think tank in washington sure knows Americans!:sgrin:

 

[ssmtcarlo]

Don't forget to spend that money or else it wont jump start the economy back up basic economics people:biglaugh: I smell a calcium reactor in the near future for me WOOT WOOT. Its my responsibility to do my part in getting the economy going again. :biglaugh:

 

[ming]

I'm not sure which news you're watching.
We sponsor issues if and only if it serves our own interest
Man other countries pay a lot more for gas then us.
And we're paying our OWN farmers not to farm, which is because we don't want the price of food to go down too low.

 

[inkblue]

anyOne seLLing anything here

 

[ssmtcarlo]

Mings right most of the world pays $7-$8 US for gas. I just think that the $600 stimulus checks are %$#@*&! ridiculous. $600 aint going to do jack for the economy especially since everyone will save it or pay off bills with it.

 

[Reefsaint]

Don't forget to spend that money or else it wont jump start the economy back up basic economics people:biglaugh: I smell a calcium reactor in the near future for me WOOT WOOT. Its my responsibility to do my part in getting the economy going again. :biglaugh:

I hope thats a 10 trllion dollar calcium reactor:Yikes:!! :lol:

 

[Reefsaint]

I'm not sure which news you're watching.
We sponsor issues if and only if it serves our own interest
Man other countries pay a lot more for gas then us.
And we're paying our OWN farmers not to farm, which is because we don't want the price of food to go down too low.

Issues that serve our own interest like Iraq??? Boy that was in our interest!
How About all those humanitarian funds that go to countries that no longer need them and hate us??
Remember the Euro that is now breaking down the dollar created by our good friends who asked us to stop growing food and buy theirs.
You are absolutly right we pay or own farmers not to grow food! So what should we do now that food prices are going up??
Just a friendly thought!:splitspin

 

[RyanG]

First off let me state that the following rant comes from a former soldier and very patriotic citizen!

America(not just Americans) has become an overweight giant that has grown too big and too lazy to feed itself. We now rely on the rest of the world to serve us bring us food bring us our goods.{think of an 800lb man naked laying in bed with his poor mother feeding him 30000 calories a day} Our free lifestyle and commercial way of thinking has lead to this. NAFTA and all other free trade agreements have been made to benefit big business not the american people at large. Do you see anything coming into this country that is beneficial other than cheap made unregulated crap products...NO. All you see of the Free Trade Agreements are American middle class jobs flying out of the country at breakneck speed. Unfortunately the capitolism that built the USA will also be what unstrings it. Its bad for us now imagine the burden our children and grandchildren will have to bear. Thank god for the almighty dollar!

 

[ming]

Issues that serve our own interest like Iraq??? Boy that was in our interest!
How About all those humanitarian funds that go to countries that no longer need them and hate us??
Remember the Euro that is now breaking down the dollar created by our good friends who asked us to stop growing food and buy theirs.
You are absolutly right we pay or own farmers not to grow food! So what should we do now that food prices are going up??
Just a friendly thought!:splitspin

Iraq definitely served our interest because of the amount of oil they have. We want to make them democratic so we can get cheaper oil. If we were so great, we would be going into those poorer African countries who are killing each other.
Those humanitarian funds are non-profit institutions, not the government. Are we talking about the government here or any institution?
The Euro is not breaking down the dollar. If you understand finance, since the loan rate of the dollar (federal interest rate) goes down, the value of the dollar goes down. This is controlled by our OWN government. If the Euro's interest rate does not get lowered by the same amount, then the Euro is worth more. There are other factors as well, but I believe this is probably the biggest one.

 

[Killerdrgn]

Iraq definitely served our interest because of the amount of oil they have. We want to make them democratic so we can get cheaper oil. If we were so great, we would be going into those poorer African countries who are killing each other.
Those humanitarian funds are non-profit institutions, not the government. Are we talking about the government here or any institution?
The Euro is not breaking down the dollar. If you understand finance, since the loan rate of the dollar (federal interest rate) goes down, the value of the dollar goes down. This is controlled by our OWN government. If the Euro's interest rate does not get lowered by the same amount, then the Euro is worth more. There are other factors as well, but I believe this is probably the biggest one.

actually if we wanted cheap oil we would have set up another friendly dictatorship. Has the highest cost to benefit ratio. Think of it, setting up a strongman dictator thats friendly to US interests and support him from afar with weapons and money as long as the oil is free flowing and cheap. Easy, and comparitively cheap compared to long term occupation. Heck we could sanction genocide too, so the guy could keep the peace and not worry about civil war.
Unfortunatly all we have is just another idiot in the office and a bunch of morons in the senate and house.

 

[Reefsaint]

Iraq definitely served our interest because of the amount of oil they have. We want to make them democratic so we can get cheaper oil. If we were so great, we would be going into those poorer African countries who are killing each other.
Those humanitarian funds are non-profit institutions, not the government. Are we talking about the government here or any institution?
The Euro is not breaking down the dollar. If you understand finance, since the loan rate of the dollar (federal interest rate) goes down, the value of the dollar goes down. This is controlled by our OWN government. If the Euro's interest rate does not get lowered by the same amount, then the Euro is worth more. There are other factors as well, but I believe this is probably the biggest one.

Iraqs Oil is pretty useless due to the fact they pump saltwater for pressure to get the oil up. If we were getting so much oil from Iraq why is the price of oil still going up and the goverment not opening its reserve?
Our own companies greed and their attempts to derail the dollar.They are now interested in gold have you noticed the price of gold and silver? And who is buying it?(helped by Gov Regulation!)
African countries are only good for dealing weapons to for diamonds. That how the Chinese and other Euro countries are getting rich.
In the mean time the idiots here unable to hustle a dollar like the good old days come up with scams to bilk the common man by offering loans and running up the price of housing until it Bursts!
This is also controlled by our good old Goverment and the think tanks who know how to run a spin on anything. The also know the public will eat it and ask for more!!!
The US goverment actually does give money away just like they tried to pay off North Korea to stop making Nuclear weapons. Most of those non for profit organizations take up to 65% of all monies they collect and its not taxable.
What a Goverment we have the public does not really even vote anymore?

 

[fritz]

You sound like a first year poly sci student at a Liberal Arts College. You should read more. Also try and think like a cop that arrives to the scene of a car accident. One man tells you one thing, the other an entirely different story. The truth is either a combination of the two, or more likely neither.

Foreign aid is an investment. It usually goes something like this:
"I'm going to give you $100,000.00 to grow frags but you can only sell them to me and I will determine the price that I pay for them"

Foreign aid is not charity it's business.

 

[Aqua Pro Builder]

Foreign aid is not charity it's business.

YUP!

 

[Aqua Pro Builder]

actually if we wanted cheap oil we would have set up another friendly dictatorship. Has the highest cost to benefit ratio. Think of it, setting up a strongman dictator thats friendly to US interests and support him from afar with weapons and money as long as the oil is free flowing and cheap. Easy, and comparitively cheap compared to long term occupation. Heck we could sanction genocide too, so the guy could keep the peace and not worry about civil war.
Unfortunatly all we have is just another idiot in the office and a bunch of morons in the senate and house.

US did that with Saudi's Royalty even though the King and his sons are not always in concert with US' plan. We installed them while Britain and France kick him from his promised land after WWII. America supported to sector that part of Middle East to become Saudi Arabia in the UN. US protect him from Saddam in the Kuwait crisis (Bush senior) Desert Storm. Do you realize more than half of the 911 attackers come from Saudi-not Iraq nor Afghanistan and we did not invade Saudi for housing terrorists. Whatever propaganda Bush junior said "you cannot distinguish between Al Qaeda and Saddam is plain lie. Al Qaeda offered Saudi's royalty the service to fight Saddam in Kuwait Crisis but the royalty decided to ask US for help instead. Saddam and bin Laden are dead enemies.

The one who can become a dictator in Iraq seems to be the one who always wanted US out-Al Sadr. Our administrattion would never want him to be in power. Al Sadr's party is the one who rejected their oil bill the most which give US the privilege of pumping oil there. That's one reason why their oil bill never get passed and our politicians keep on saying that some key political pointers are not met-one of which is the oil bill.

 

[Killerdrgn]

The one who can become a dictator in Iraq seems to be the one who always wanted US out-Al Sadr. Our administrattion would never want him to be in power. Al Sadr's party is the one who rejected their oil bill the most which give US the privilege of pumping oil there. That's one reason why their oil bill never get passed and our politicians keep on saying that some key political pointers are not met-one of which is the oil bill.

See thats why we need to go back to the old days and "assassinate"... oops I mean drop an errant missile on his head. Then we could install a strong arm dictator like in saudi arabia to go all out to put down any opposition. Then oil prices would really come down.

 

[chazertis]

how long did you think we were going to keep on paying half the price per gallon of gas that the rest of the world pays? please read more!

 

[TimberTDI]

Also keep in mind that the "third world" countries of China and India aren't so third world anymore and are taking up their share of the supply.


Taken from an article in the NY Times published April 20, 2008 by Jad Mouawad:

The weak dollar, worries about terrorism and speculation on commodity markets certainly played a role. But, of course, so did demand. Producers are struggling to pump as much as they can to quench the thirst not only of the developed world, but fast-growing developing nations like China and India, the two most populous countries. To many experts, the steadily rising price underscored longer-term fears about the future of a system that has supplied cheap oil for more than a century.

Oil now accounts for just 19 percent of China?s energy needs. But China?s oil demand is expected to more than double by 2030 to over 16 million barrels a day, according to the International Energy Agency, as more people rise from poverty, move out of villages and buy more cars.

Just as in the United States, much of the increase in China?s oil demand has come from that country?s love affair with cars. The number of vehicles in China rose sevenfold between 1990 and 2006, to 37 million. China has now surpassed both Germany and Japan to become the second-largest car market in the world, and is set to overtake the United States by around 2015. China could have as many as 300 million vehicles by 2030.

William Chandler, an energy expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, estimates that if the Chinese were using energy like Americans, global energy use would double overnight and five more Saudi Arabias would be needed just to meet oil demand. India isn?t far behind. By 2030, the two counties will import as much oil as the United States and Japan do today.

Read the rest of the article, very interesting.
www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/weekinreview/20mouawad.html?pagewanted=print

 

[ming]

See thats why we need to go back to the old days and "assassinate"... oops I mean drop an errant missile on his head. Then we could install a strong arm dictator like in saudi arabia to go all out to put down any opposition. Then oil prices would really come down.

If that happens, which it won't, then I'll be watching you trying to fill up your car with $1 /gallon and then you find the gas pumps are empty. :lol2: