Ich-Attack

[Yen]

Have anyone used this product before? Is it any good? My Hipo Tang got ich, today is the 3rd day I've been treating the tank with Ich-Attach, but the white spots are still there!!!

My koi got ich before, I treated them with some other ick medicine, the white spot went away within a day or two!!!

 

[Salty Dog]

honestly If your water is good your fish should be healthy. I dont believe in these meds just good water chemistry

 

[Yen]

Agreed. My water is new, the tank is about a month old, and I just replaced the de-chrorinated tap water with 30% RO DI water this past weekend. Water tested ok.

The question here is the fish already got it, it may have come with him in dormant state, who knows.

What I like to know if Ich-Attachk is any good, and should I continue using it to complete the 7 day treatment?

 

[woodman]

Friend used it for a week ,fish died anyway.
let nature take it's course!

 

[Avi]

From the research that I've done because of some serious ick problems in my FOWLR, I've found that the experiences of people that have had to deal with the problem says that only two meds will be effective with any degree real reliability and those are copper and formalin (used with methylene blue as a bonding agent so it stays on the fish's slime coat.) But if you use these, you must follow the instuctons very carefully and you should have a copper test kit if you choose to use copper as a treatment. Once you do use copper, you can never use the same tank for any inverts, though.

 

[marrone]

Ich-Attach doesn't work. Good water quality or leaving the fish alone, and letting nature take it's course, is a good way of having your fish die. It's best to take the fish out and treat them either with Copper or Hypos. You're also going to need to leave your tank empty of fish for about 4 - 6 weeks, that way the ich will die off. Going forward you should quaretine all your fish before you place them in your main tank.

 

[KathyC]

Ich-Attack does not have a track record of good results

Can you put the fish (all of them, even if you see no signs of ich) into a QT for treatment?
How infested is the fish?
You can do one of 2 things - (both in a QT) - either treat with copper (as mentioned you will need to have a copper test kit to be sure you have the proper dose or it will be ineffective), or you can use the hyposalinity treatment.
The is a wonderful link that contains the most accurate info I have ever found on Ich treatment and explains exactly how to do it:
http://atj.net.au/marineaquaria/marineich.html


BTW - When you dealt with this with your Koi - you were dealing with a totally different parasite than Marine Ich. FW is is MUCH easier to kill

 

[Yen]

Of course, I cannot just let the fish die without trying, so let the nature takes its course is simply out of the question.

I'm thinking of setting up a small tank and treat him there, do I need to have sand in that tank? How long should it remain in the hospital tank? I may need to get a filter for it too.

Yen

 

[KathyC]

No sand should be in the QT tank.
Generally it is suggested that ALL of the fish be removed from your display tank and put into QT even if you do not see any ich on them. The display tank should remain fallow (without) fish for 6-8 weeks to be sure any ich in the tank is dead.

If you go back to the link I provided - on the left side there is a link to 'Treatments' - click on that - it gives you directions for how to set up a QT tank

 

[Avi]

The dangerous thing about doing that is that if you just take a new empty tank and fill it with water/salt, and you put a filter on it and even if you put live sand in, once you put the effected fish in there and feed it, it would trigger a cycle. This would generate ammonia and it's a sure way to just plain kill the fish.

If you want to set up a hospital/quarantine tank, you have to take measures to assure that no cycling would be involved. So, use water from the established tank that you have and use sand/substrate that is in that one, too. Also set up a filter of some kind...even a hang on filter...but use some medium like filter floss or similar substane from an established tank. If you don't have any, get some from an established tank from a fish store or a friend or even post in these forums for some from a nearby hobbyist. And, make sure the water in the quarantine tank is well oxygenated.

 

[Yen]

Thanks, Kathy and Avi. I'm planning to take 10 G from the DT and use that for the hospital tank and replace the water by new salted RO DI water.

I just hung a small filter on the DT to get it seeded with bacteria.

How long do you think the new media will get seeded with bacteria?

Yen

 

[Avi]

...I'm planning to take 10 G from the DT and use that for the hospital tank and replace the water by new salted RO DI water.

I just hung a small filter on the DT to get it seeded with bacteria.

How long do you think the new media will get seeded with bacteria?

Yen

I'm afraid that's going to take a while...even weeks. I'd suggest that if you can't take the measures that I've mentioned, go to a local fish store and tell them what you need and proceed that way rather than try to save the fish by starting fresh right now. If the ick gets a grip, you won't be in time if you do.

 

[marrone]

I'm afraid that's going to take a while...even weeks. I'd suggest that if you can't take the measures that I've mentioned, go to a local fish store and tell them what you need and proceed that way rather than try to save the fish by starting fresh right now. If the ick gets a grip, you won't be in time if you do.

It's not going to take anytime at all to setup a QT or Hospital tank. All you need to do is setup a tank or rubbermaid container with new salt water, a heater and a pump or hang on filter for water movement. Once the fish is place in the tank bring the copper slowly up to level, make sure you have a good test kit as you need the copper at the correct level otherwise it doesn't do anything. Make sure you have good water breakage and try not to feed the fish too many. You will need to do small water changes, as the fish will produce ammonia, so be prepaired. Also the bigger container/tank you use the better, as this will give you a long period before the water starts to go bad.

 

[woodman]

try fresh water dip.

 

[marrone]

try fresh water dip.

Fresh water dips don't do anything against ich, as the ich can easily take the fresh water and don't fall off as they're in bedded in the fish. Not to mention that ich is living inside the fish and the fresh water dip does nothing to them.

A fresh water bath, of 20 - 25 min, maybe better but in the end doesn't have much if any effect on ich.

 

[Yen]

Just got back with a 20 g tank. Thanks Marrone. I'll set up the hospital tank and treat him there.

 

[Avi]

Yen...can you post the progress that you have with this new hospital tank?

 

[Kaz289]

http://www.manhattanreefs.com/forum/fish/60283-help-ich-new-tank.html

 

[isakofyork001]

tropical science " marine max" it works for ick and it is reef safe. should check out a group buy on this stuff.

 

[marrone]

Marine max doesn't work, it's no better then feeding your fish garlic. As for being reef safe, there is nothing that proves that it is.