definition of captive raised?

[valid]

what is this definition (for corals)?

does first generation suffice? ie: frag from wild colony grown in a tank to marketable size.

should it be second generation? ie: frag from first generation grown to marketable size.

should "captive raised" mean specimen is 3rd generation?

etc

 

[Chucker]

The topic was briefly discussed before here. The real problem lies in that there is no official designation (at least to my knowledge) for this and other related terms, and worse yet, no one to enforce their proper use.

 

[valid]

yup, i remember that thread. i wondered if anything had become of the topic. with all the talk about mac conferences, letters from the wwf, usl, etc, i think that the INDUSTRY should be proactive on this as well. how can the industry begin to be cohesive without agreeing on definitions?

many of the terms i saw in that thread still seem vague. why not KISS and go with accurate descriptors like: "wild", "first captive generation", "second captive generation", and "multiple captive generation"?

in the case of first generation frags farmed in the ocean rather than a tank (inside tank or outside tank)one could use something like "first gen seafarmed, second gen cap".
ultimately, this could all be shortened to #/letter designations like: "1s2c3c" meaning a specimen is first generation seafarmed,second and third generations captive raised.

i propose gaining a recognized nomenclature now. don't worry yet about who will enforce it. get it in place. if it is simple and accurate it is likely to be adopted on its merits. the first step is to have a system recognized by the varoius bodies in the industry.

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[JT]

MAC is 99.9% all about fish right now. Corals are already, somewhat, regulated (for lack of a better term) by CITES.

The fish problem needs to be fixed long before we start to worry about regulating "captive raised" corals. I am willing to bet that cyanide fishing kills more corals than collectors do.

- JT

 

[Miklos]

There is not only alot of confusion in corals but also fish.Foe example Inland Aquatics has listed Tank Raised fish which were bred and rised on captivity;where as FFexpress has tank raised fish listed which the larvae was caught in the wild and then raised in captivity.A little confusing isn't it.
Nick

 

[cubera]

Why not ask when considering a purchase? Would this not be easier than trying to apply "uniform" standards or definitions to a free enterprise industry? "Captive Raised" generally means what it says. The animal is raised in captivity. Obviously, this does not mean a captive raised animal is bred in captivity. A first generation fragment of Acropora grown in captivity is, by definition, just as much captive raised as one fifty generations removed from the wild collected colony and grown in captivity. HTH

 

[JT]

To quote CITES:
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ADOPTS the following definitions of terms used in this Resolution:

a) "first-generation offspring (F1)" are specimens produced in a controlled environment from parents at least one of which was conceived in or taken from the wild;

b) "offspring of second generation (F2) or subsequent generation (F3, F4, etc.)" are specimens produced in a controlled environment from parents that were also produced in a controlled environment;

c) the "breeding stock" of an operation means the ensemble of the animals in the operation that are used for reproduction; and

d) "a controlled environment" is an environment that is manipulated for the purpose of producing animals of a particular species, that has boundaries designed to prevent animals, eggs or gametes of the species from entering or leaving the controlled environment, and the general characteristics of which may include but are not limited to: artificial housing; waste removal; health care; protection from predators; and artificially supplied food;
<hr></blockquote>

http://www.cites.org/eng/resols/10/10_16.shtml

- JT

 

[Reefan99]

Captive raised = raised in captivity. Very simple. Check out the AWESOME selection currently being offered by Flying Fish Express. I just received a shipment and these babies are everything they say they are!!

 

[MandarinFish]

I got a bad call back from FFE.

*EVERY* one of the 3 captive-raised fish (Naso, Lemon Butterfly, Humu) that I ordered are currently out of stock.

After they said they were in stock initially.

They must be selling out.

Fantastic!

Now hopefully I can get mine soon.

I am extatic to get these fish so small, tank raised.... perfect for my tanks, good for the environment.

Win-win. Except they're out of stock! Damn!