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PeterIMA

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Let me clarify information in the Woods report. The report is titled "Exploitation Of Coral Reef Fishes For The Aquarium Trade". It was written in 1985 (not 1970s as I previously stated) by Dr. Elizabeth Woods of the Marine Conservation Society in the UK.It is divided into two parts.

Part I is titled Importation Into the United Kindom. The contents of Part I are an Introdution, Trade Overview (that talks about what countries trade marines worldwide), Organization of Domestic Trade (UK), Survival of Fish in Captivity, Export and Import Controls (existing and recommended). Licensing of Trade in the UK, Fish Supply and Conservation Issues.

Part II is titled "Export Trade in Sri Lanka"
The contents of Part II are an Introduction, Trade Review, Species in Trade, Collection and Exports (numbers traded), Conservation Status of Fish Populations, Other Conservation Issues, Management and Licensing.

In part I, it is mentioned that sodium cyanide is widely used for collection of marines in the Philippines and Indonesia. These practices were suspected of causing environmental degredation and the depletion of certain species in the trade. Papers by Albaladejo and Corpus of the BFAR Coral Reef Research Group in the Philippines are cited.

On page 28, it states:

"The Philippines is probably the major supplier of tropical marine fish for the world market. Randall (1984) reported that in 1975 more than 80% of the imports to the USA were from the Philippines. At this time the Philippines was also the major single supplier to the UK market, providing 26% fo imports (by value). In 1980 and 1981 imports to the UK dropped substantially, but are now beginning to rise again. This fall was probably due to the bad reputation earned by the Philippines as a result of the widespread ue of poisons in the capture of fish."


On page 44, under Conclusions it refers to mortality in the trade in the UK (importing country).

A limited study in the UK indicated that
"Half of the fish had died within 6 months of being purchased, and nearly 70% were dead at the end of the year. Causes of death included stress, stavation, disease, predation, bullying, effects of copper-based medication, and technical problems leading to poor water-quality."

On page 45, it states:

"A survey of survival of fish in home aquaria showed that some of these died from stress and disease, others of technical problems. Hal of the fish had died wthin 6 months, and nearly 70% within a year, but some specimens went on to live for 4 years or more (Figure 5). It is a matter of concern that some species purchased regularly by aquarists have extremely poor chances of survival (see section 4.3.11). This problem is discussed further in Section 5 (Export/Import Controls)."

Under Part II, Collecting Techniques in Sri Lanka are discussed on pages 89-91.
"Sedentary and mobile invertebrate are taken by hand... shrimps are taken in small nets(approx 10 cm across mouth) with a mesh size of about 3 mm. There are reports that fish are occasionally captured by collectors breaking off pieces of coral (especially Acropora) in which the fish are hiding, and then shaking the fish into a plastic bag. Some species, for example the tang, Odonus niger, (this is a triggerfish) are caught with hook and line."

On pages 90 and 91 Hand nets and Moxy nets are also discussed.

There are no quantitative date presented from surveys on the reef to indicate whether these techniques are sustainable or not.

On page 98 is the Heading
Impact of Collecting.
"Many collectors and exporters in Sri Lanka believe that coral reef fish collected for the aquarium trade are less abundant now than in previous years. Unfortunately, no quantitative data are available and thus from a scientific viewpoint it is impossible either to substantiate or refute these claims. However, those involved in the trade have considerable experience, and their observations are invaluable."

I interpret the statement above to indicate that the collectors in Sri Lanka had noted a decline in abundance of the species they were collecting. At the time there were only 25 collectors in Sri Lanka (information also given in the report). There is nothing in the report by Woods that proves that the collection methods described were sustainable or not. However, I would agree that collection with nets is a preferable alternative to the use of chemicals like sodium cyanide (which was not being used in Sri Lanka).

Several months ago, I posted information on Reefs.org that collection with barrier nets in Hawaii was found to result in documented declines in abundance. The 10 most abundant fish species had declined by 40%, the top 10 aquarium fish species had declined by 59%. Hawaii had increased the number of licensed collectors from 100 to about 285. Hence, collecting was unsustainable at the higher level of harvest, despite the use of barrier nets.

In the Philippines we now believe that there are about 8,000 collectors. This is clearly unsustainable, even if they were all trained to use barrier nets. My estimate (new paper for OFI Journal in press) is that there have been about 1900 collectors trained by Haribon and IMA to use barrier nets from 1987 to 2000). The main problem for the MAC in the Philippines seeking to Certify collection sites and collectors through Collection Area Management Plans (CAMP) is finding sites where reef fish populations are abundant and the reefs healthy enough to be deemed "sustainable".

I hope this information is informative,
Peter Rubec, Ph.D.
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PeterIMA

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Kalkbreath asked "Where are the scientific studies that demonstrate the cyanide collecting is harmfull (unsustainable)? I would recommend that he read the following three scientific papers/abstracts.


The first by Hall and Bellwood (1995) looked at the histogical effects of cyanide exposure on the anterior intestine of a damselfish. It concluded that the degredation of the mucosal cells was due to starvation rather than cyanide. This contradicts and earlier paper (published in FAMA in 1981) that Bellwood wrote where he concluded that cyanide caused the mucosal cells to die impeding digestion. Of more interest (at least to me) is the part of the paper by Hall and Bellwood where they looked at delayed mortality from cyanide exposure (10 ppm cyanide exposure for 85 seconds), stress-alone, and starvation on Pomacetrus coelestris (a damselfish) during a 13 day experimental period. The delayed mortality during the 13 day period was 37.5% for the fish exposed to cyanide-alone, 25% for stress-alone (removal of corals acting as hiding places), and 0% for fish that were not fed (starvation condition). The mortality was 41.7% for fish exposed to all three conditions.

The second paper is by Hanawa et al. (1998). They reported that groups of humbug damselfish (Dascyllus aruanus) pulse-exposed with 50 ppm of cyanide ion for 60 seconds exhibited higher mortality (100%) after being stressed by being netted and bagged than non-stressed control fish (0%). Under non-stressed conditions, pulse exposure of 25 or 50 ppm cyanide ion for 10 or 60 seconds respectively, significantly reduced liver oxygen consumption rates measures 2.5 weeks post-exposure. Under stressed conditions liver oxygen consumption rates were significantly higher in cyanide-exposed fish than in control fish. The combined effects of cyanide exposure and stress increased the mortality and placed an appreciable metabolic load on the fish. Hence, cyanide exposure in combination with handling stressors could partly explain the high delayed mortality in the marine aquarium trade.

Third, I present the abstract of the presentation made by James Cervino at the 2nd Marine Ornamentals Conference.

Sodium cyanide (NaCN) is widely used for the capture of reef fish throughout Southeast Asia. The corals Acropora millepora, Goniopora sp., Favites abdita, Scolymia sp., Plerogyra sp., Heliofungia actiniformis, Euphyllia divisa, Sarcophyton sp., and the Caribbean sea anemone Aptasia pallida were used in the present study. The coral species were exposed to 50, 100, and 600 mg/L (ppm) of cyanide ion for 1 or 2 minutes. Concentrations of cyanide ion used were much lower than those used by marine fish collectors. Exposed corals and anemones immediately retracted their tentacles and mesenterial filaments and discharged copious quantities of mucus containing zooxanthellae. Changes in protein expression were found in both zooxanthellae and host tissue using gel electrophoresis. Corals and anemones exposed to cyanide showed an immediate increase in zooxanthellae mitotic cell division, and decrease in zooxanthellae density. In contrast cell division and density remained constant in controls. Histopathological changes included gatrodermal disruption, mesogleal degredation, and increased mucus in coral tissues. Zooxanthellae show pigment loss, swelling, and deformation. Mortality occurred at all exposure levels. Exposed specimens had a significant increase in the ratio of gram-negative bacteria on the coral surface. The results demonstrate that exposoure to lower levels of cyanide than used by fish collectors causes mortality to corals and anemones. Even brief exposure causes slow acting and long term damage to corals and anemones.

References

Cervino, J.M., R.L. Hayes, T.J. Goreau, S. Jones, and P.J. Rubec. 2001. Changes in zooxanthellae density, morphology, ad mitotic index in hermatypic corals and anemones exposed to cyanide. Paper presented at Marine Ornamentals "Collection, Culture, and Conservation" Conference held Nov. 26-Dec. 1 (2001) in Lake Buenovista, Florida, USA, page 155 of Abstracts. (The paper is currently in Press with Marine Pollution Bulletin).

Hall, K.C. and D.R. Bellwood (1995). Histological effects of cyanide, stress, and starvation on the intestinal mucosa of Pomacentris coelestis, a marine aquarium fish species. Journal of Fish Biology 47: 438-454.

Hanawa, M., L. Harris, A.P. Farrell, and I.I. Bendall-Young (1998). Effects of cyanide exposure on Dascyllus aruanus, a tropical fish, lethality, anaesthesia, and physiological effects. Aquarium Sciences and Conservation 2: 21-34.

Information submitted to Reefs.org
by Dr. Peter J. Rubec
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Kalkbreath

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How about some one post the link, i got my copy of the report from Eric Borneman.but I lost the link? My report I believe is from the 1990s And is very detailed .... Keep in mind Peter , the fish population decline is only on the very limited collection reefs on the Kona coast . ...98 percent of the reefs of Hawaii have no collection. Funny you did not point this out?
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Kalk,,
I simply can NOT believe you presume to know more about what is happening in the collecting areas, than Steve and Peter, WHO HAVE BEEN THERE !!!!! And they have BEEN THERE in more places and more times and for LONGER, than you have been around this hobby !!!!!!!!
Why dont you LISTEN to them ????????

If you want the information straight from "the horses mouth", then you really should pay attention !!!!!!!!!
 

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Kalkbreath, The area where the declines occurred were on the Island of Oahu (Honaunau). The areas closed to aquarium fish collection were 150 miles of the Kona coast (on the big Island of Hawaii). So the areas of concen are not as localized as you imply in your posting. Too bad, your only source of information seems to be my previous posting.

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PeterIMA

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Correction, I meant to say that with the creation of Fisheries Replenishment Areas (FRAs) 51.8 miles of the nearly 150 miles of coastline along the West Hawaii (Kona coast) would be closed to tropical reef fish collection. Any new information from Kalkbreath or others about regulation of aquarium fish collection in Hawaii would be appreciated.

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Once again, why is it that Im the only one who has the guts to swat down all this. If you truly think 90% 0f the reef fish are missing from Hawaii's reefs, then your beyond hope and will believe anything..Hawain fisheries and the US fish and wildlife, Cities and every other official group says your numbers are very untrue.The reefs Peter is referring to , have been show to have less reef fish because the groupers are again in the area , now that all food fishing has been stopped! Its the information that is NOT being exposed ,which sets the context> Like the idea in the above post that , nine thousand collectors in the Philipinnes! Mary and others know full well, that there are not even nine thousand boxes coming in to LAX a week.....even if there was, that would work out to ONE box per collector! still think that number is not silly? Just like the Fiji thread report that Borneman. gavein 98 (turned out to be100 time the actual kilos exported}......If every air plane leaving PI was filled with only pet fish ,those numbers would still be impossible! Please stop excepting the totally absurd figures the environmental save the reef people or two collage guys with snorkels keep publishing.........next thing you know, they will be trying to show that collection in Hawaii has caused the decrease Florida's' fish populations! Please Someone find the "collection of coral reef fish for aquaria" 2001
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Funny every link to the Elizabeth Wood " Collection of reef fish for Aquaria 2001 is no longer working ? I sense an exponging of sort? Its 58 pages in Acrobat reader........... Its odd that many of you" experts" have the utmost respect for her ,yet failed to read her work in the past ten to twenty years?
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Kalkbreath, I acknowledge that you make some good points. I am not sure whether or not there are 8,000 colletors in the Philippines or not. In 1985 we started by estimating there were 1,000. In 2,001 I used a figure of 4,000 supplied by the Haribon Foundation. Last month, Ferdinand Cruz IMA's main community organizer (presently seconded to the MAC) told me there were close to 8,000. Another report estimated the number of small scale food fishermen at 770,000. But, fishermen and collectors are not licensed in the Philippines, so we can not be sure of the accuracy of these estimates.

As far as the situation in Hawaii, I intend to read carefully the report posted by Mike King. Lets kick it around later.

Goodnight,
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Yes, Let me say that I have much respect for you and your willingness to contribute to the forum and the hobby, I only take the on the role as "alternate point of view" because few others are willing.........to Thank you again...Kalkreath
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Kalk,

I haven't joined you in disputing the data because I have no idea how many collectors there are in the Philippines. I also don't know if fish populations are declining in Hawaii or not. And if they are, I sort of doubt it is because of guys out there with nets. I do agree with you that many of the environmentalists appear willing to employ an "ends justify the means" sort of strategy. Thankfully there are some such as Peter that seem genuinely interested in finding the truth.

I would also add that I am glad MAC has backed off the hard line on the DOA numbers. I also think it will be very easy for people to cheat under the new MAC guidelines. It looks to me like about the only thing MAC will be able to truly verify is what the country of origin was, up to arrival at the wholesale level. And then at the wholesale level and on they will be mixed to point of uselessness. It doesn't appear they are doing much to protect the reefs. I guess making the fish more expensive will slow down the demand and that is likely to be be MAC's greatest contribution.
 

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Did you Know that the average collector in the Philippines only collects five fish a week?See ,I can play the GAME as well!.When people bring up the issue of 9000 collectors In the Phlippines, they are using that number to show how much collection is taking place..When only about 800 boxes arrive into LAX each week and 1200 boxes shipped worldwide from PI weekly . At 40 fish perbox thats 48,000 fish or five fish per the 9000 collectors ! I stiil cant understand why people direct the anger tward people like me , when its the "others" who are playing the concerned hobbyists for fools.
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Kalk- You are assuming that all fish that are collected in PI are shipped. You aren't accounting for the large number of fish that are either are rejected by the exporter or die. You own a store, fish don't die on you (DOA/DAA)? If you went to a wholesaler, would you buy any fish you saw, or would you be selective? Also, what do you think happens to rejected fish, returned to point of collection (hours to days away)? How about the diver, do you think all that they collect lives thru the entire process of collection and transportation to the exporter?
 

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So what you are saying is that all 9000 collectors are in fact collecting fish ...........but due to mortalities and "rejection" each collector only comes up with one box of sellable fish per week! Now I see why they call them "collectors" and not "sellers" because all they do is collect fish .and very little actual selling ever takes place.{because of rejection and DOAs}
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Kalk- Thats not what I'm saying, I'm saying your math needed more variables. You did your computing without addressing all the variables. I have no idea about the number of collectors in PI, but 9000 does seem a little high to me though. I can't imagine a collector could live on the income of just 1 box of fish a week.
 

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Thats my point! How do you truely know there is a problem? If I can show so many of the statistics to be impossible,why should we beleive any of it? Where is all the hard evidence? I would think there would be hundreds of underwater photos showing me the millions of acres of dead reefs, BUT I have never seen one? Have you? Why would not MAC have these type of images to serve them in turning the heads of the hobbyists?All we have ever had is people within the concervation section of the hobby telling us to believe them on how bad it is ?
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Kalk,

First it's "cyanide doesn't harm fish," then it's "since I'm not seeing pictures, the reefs haven't been trashed."

Any argument to salve your conscience about buying (and selling) "juiced" fish, eh?

I bet you're one of the folks who believe that we never landed on the moon too.....

The part about the certification process I like, is if 90% of the fish die, then no more die for 3-5 days, the remaining fish are MAC certified? Is that right?

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Kalk- I've seen PLENTY of pictures and have heard all about it from the horses mouth. Steve Robinson has lived the REAL life of reform for 24 years, he's trained ex juicers to use nets and dove with juicers to see first hand the destruction they've caused. Why do you feel he's lying? Why do you feel Peter Rubic isn't telling the truth? Both these guys have devoted more time jointly then you've been alive, to this cause. Do you think they really want it to continue? Steve Robinson is an extremelly smart man, he could be making $100k a year, but instead he suffers the fate of doing the right thing. Why hasn't he given up on the issue? Maybe because he really does believe that reform can happen and that there is a REAL problem that needs solving. BTW, I have never heard Steve or Peter say ANYTHING about stopping the trade, just about doing it sustainably, like Steve's done for the last 24 years in Mexico.

Anemone is right, you probably do believe the US never landed on the moon, even though you've seen the pictures :wink: !
 

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