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this, as many of you know, was circulated via coral list:

Task force calls for improved water quality
Allison A. Freeman, Greenwire staff writer

Federal officials and local governments should increase
collaborative efforts to address continuing threats to coral reefs, particularly in reducing wastewater, runoff pollution and overfishing in Florida, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands, concurred top federal and state environmental officials last week at a meeting of U.S. Coral Reef Task Force.

The CRTF, established by an executive order in 1998 to
"preserve and protect coral reef ecosystems," comprises the heads of 11
federal agencies and the leaders of 10 states, territories and commonwealths. At its biennial meeting in Washington, D.C., last week, the group passed resolutions calling for upgrading wastewater treatment systems in areas supporting coral reef habitat, improving water quality through the federal Everglades Restoration Plan and promoting sustainable trade in coral reef products.

"The Task Force resolutions and statements reflect the
intent [to] highlight these issues as really important to address the coral reef crisis," said Roger Griffis, co-chair of the CRTF steering committee and policy advisor for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration coral reef conservation program.

"It's clear from the level of representation we have from around the nation and around the world that coral reefs and their continued protection are high priorities," said Tim Keeney, deputy assistant secretary of commerce for oceans and atmosphere.

In 2000, the CRTF adopted the U.S. National Action Plan to
Conserve Coral Reefs, laying out 13 major goals to help sustain coral reef ecosystems. The CRTF has brought together government and nongovernmental entities to address key issues, such as the nationwide effort to map and characterize all shallow U.S. reefs. In October 2002 the CRTF identified land-based pollution, overfishing, lack of public awareness, recreational overuse, coral reef disease and climate change as the major threats to reefs and called for additional efforts to reduce these threats.

According to a recent Global Coral Reef Monitoring Network
report, coral reefs, which are highly sensitive to environmental change and key indicators of broader problems in the ocean, have declined by 27 percent worldwide. The report found that 60 percent of the world's coral reefs could be lost by 2030.

At its meeting, the CRTF encouraged states to work with
local stakeholders and federal partners to develop local action plans to
address the key threats. "This is an effort to identify and implement actions from the ground up ... to help achieve goals of the U.S. National Action Plan," said Griffis.

The CRTF lacks authority to regulate or appropriate funds.
As such, the resolutions can not be incorporated into law. However, they can serve as blueprints for continued state and federal restoration efforts. Florida officials, for example, are hoping the resolutions will help leverage increased federal funding for local cleanup efforts.

"A resolution passed at the level of the U.S. Coral Reef
Task Force, the secretary and assistant secretary level, can be put in front
of decision-makers, conservation groups, stakeholders, fishermen and other appropriate people to show that it is recognized at high levels that we need to take action," said Billy Causey, superintendent of the Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary. "To take action, we need resources. This is a powerful tool to move to the next step."

Protection of the reefs is important to Florida not only
because they "provide a very diverse and biologically important community," Causey said, but also for economic reasons. The park logs 13.3 million visitor days a year, resulting in $1.2 billion in tourism revenues. "We cannot afford to lose this reef," Causey said.

An official with the U.S. EPA said the agency would not
respond to the resolutions, which it supported, until the CRTF releases the
final versions in coming weeks. But the official said the resolutions would likely not lead to new rulemaking, but rather encourage the agency to assist and coordinate with other groups and local officials.

But Dan Meyer, general counsel for Public Employees for
Environmental Responsibility, said the CRTF is not taking enough action to address declining coral reefs. He said the CRTF should "bash heads" and address reef harming practices executed by agencies within the group, citing the Army Corps of Engineers in particular. Meyer said the Corps' oversight of beach renourishment -- placing sand on the shore of eroding beaches -- often allows low-cost, uncareful methods that stir up sand in the water and choke the reef.

The Corps also harms the reef with dredging permits and by
allowing fiber optic cable to cross reef zones without environmental
review, Meyer said.

Meyer said the agencies on the CRTF should cooperate to
more staunchly protect the reefs, consulting with one another and using existing laws, like the Endangered Species Act, the CleanWater Act and the National Environmental Policy Act, to tighten their regulatory authority.

"Without solving the central oversight problem, the Coral
Reef Task Force is going to be like an undertaker for the reefs. It will document their burial and demise but won't have been a doctor to step in and see the patient before it died,"Meyer said. "Because the reefs are not out in the public's view, we risk not knowing that we missed the boat on this until the reefs aredead."

Kacky Andrews, Director of Coastal and Aquatic Managed Areas at the Florida Department of Environmental Protection, said the resolutions will not spur the state to write more coralreef regulations, but said she hopes they will encourage Congress to direct more funding to Florida, especially for the state's wastewater treatment plan.

"The federal government has done a lot for the Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary, but there is a lot of need," she said.

Andrews noted that in the Florida Keys, nutrient-laden
wastewater from some 25,000 septic tanks, 6,500 cesspits and 900 shallow-injection wells compromises water quality in the nearshore coral reef system.

CRTF's Everglades restoration resolution asked state
regulators to consider how coral reefs will be affected by water flowing through the Everglades and into the Florida Bay. As the state develops and implements its 20-year plan to restore historic flows to the Everglades, the reefs will almost certainly benefit, Andrews said.

Other resolutions called for programs to address wastewater treatment systems in the Virgin Islands, where the current system inadequately accommodates a growing population, and in Puerto Rico, where more than 30 percent of homes are not connected to a wastewater treatment system.

The resolution dealing with trade urges the United States
to promote the sustainable trade of coral reef species under international negotiations. The U.S. consumes more than 80 percent of coral reef products traded worldwide, NOAA'sGriffis said.

The Marine Aquarium Council, a coral reef products stakeholder coalition, is working to develop a voluntary certification program for sustainable, environmentally sound standards for trade of reef products.

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Funny, they failed to mention that the coral reefs where coral is collected are the healthiest in the world............or maybe its not funny.... ?
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and, as usual, left field chimes in :lol:

i was hoping to point out the self admitted impotence of the crtf, and the fact that cyanide wasn't even mentioned :roll:


i guess that means that you're right, kalkbreath? :roll: :?
 

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vitz":39kd9qn6 said:
i was hoping to point out the self admitted impotence of the crtf, and the fact that cyanide wasn't even mentioned :roll:

Cyanide usage is not an issue here in the US, which is what the US CRTF is focused on.

The reefs off Florida are mostly threatened by the dredging (siltation) and disease (at least partially caused by bacteria found in human waste, although that does not yet prove causality).

I just read Friday that two main beaches in Ft. Lauderdale were closed due to high bacterial counts. They thought it might have been due to a cruise ship dumping waste off the coast. Or sewage flow into the water from a septic tank or similar. Cruise ships are known to dump waste because the fine is less than the cost of getting rid of it in the ports.

Here we are, the richest country in the world, and we can't even control our own sh...., errr, stuff. {grin} We are killing our own reefs, and advising other countries on how to save theirs... Depressing, ain't it?

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The resolution dealing with trade urges the United States
to promote the sustainable trade of coral reef species under international negotiations. The U.S. consumes more than 80 percent of coral reef products traded worldwide,]end] {qoute] Then why the pointless cheap shot against the hobby at the end?
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because the last paragraph has nothing to do with the effluent of tourists or the people that live on these islands and their leaky septic tanks........collection for the hobby also has little to do with why the American reefs or why the rest of the dying coral reefs in the world are ill. now does it? ......
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Kalkbreath":yao4ozd0 said:
because the last paragraph has nothing to do with the effluent of tourists or the people that live on these islands and their leaky septic tanks........collection for the hobby also has little to do with why the American reefs or why the rest of the dying coral reefs in the world are ill. now does it? ......

Kalk,

You miss the point. The CRTF released a bunch of resolutions. The last two bits of that article refer to one of the resolutions, apparently dealing with the hobby. It (the resolution) is NOT a cheap shot.

As seems all too common, am still wondering what your point is.

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The International aspect under negotiations refers to the intent of the USCRTF to tighten CITES regulations to allow the listing of many fish species and more coral reef invertebrates under Appendices I and II (e.g., BAN THE TRADE IN CERTAIN SPECIES). I think it may take a year or two.

At present there is not much will by the main body of the Task Force to implement legislation (recommended by the Trade Subgroup) regulating the aquarium trade. We will see legislation when the Democratic Party comes back into power (probably the next election if things get worse with the economy and Iraq).

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Kalk, I discussed the aspects I mentioned with a member of the USCRTF (whom I do't wish to name). That person was not specific about which species. I presume that unsuitable fish species might be those that: don't survive in captivity, rare-threatened-or endangered, or they could fall into the category of overexploited species. The Unsuitable Species List (USL) developed on Reefs.org or the AMDA lists might be starting points. With regard to invertebrates the concerns probably lie with certain Genera and species of corals, or giant clams.

Why not address your questions to members of the USCRTF? Let me know if you need contact names, telephone numbers, or email addresses.
John Brandt of MASNA may be able to comment on this, since he attended the latest USCRTF meeting in Washington last week (right after coming back from the Philippines).
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PeterIMA":3rdha9k5 said:
Kalk, I discussed the aspects I mentioned with a member of the USCRTF (whom I do't wish to name). That person was not specific about which species. I presume that unsuitable fish species might be those that: don't survive in captivity, rare-threatened-or endangered, or they could fall into the category of overexploited species. The Unsuitable Species List (USL) developed on Reefs.org or the AMDA lists might be starting points. With regard to invertebrates the concerns probably lie with certain Genera and species of corals, or giant clams.

Why not address your questions to members of the USCRTF? Let me know if you need contact names, telephone numbers, or email addresses.
John Brandt of MASNA may be able to comment on this, since he attended the latest USCRTF meeting in Washington last week (right after coming back from the Philippines).
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First ALL seafood fish dont survive in captivity..........and these make up 99 % of all collected fish .........Many" suitable species" are in fewer numbers then any of the unsuitable species{Groupers} so ending the collection of coral eating butterflies and collection more groupers will hardly have a positive effect on the reef. ....................and lastly corals are in no danger any place on earth that collection for the trade takes place.......{Fiji, Tonga ,Kupang etc. and both corals and Giant clams are already heavily monitored by CITIES ...............now arent they?
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Kalk, My comments were in relation to species in the "AQUARIUM" trade. I was not referring to food fish like groupers. There are some species of corals that environmentalists (like Dr. Tom Goreau) would like to see listed in Appendix I (Banned from trade). The intent of the USCRTF is to tighten the trade in CITES listed species, particularly with regard to their import into the USA. This is clear in the DRAFT Coral Reef Legislation of 2000 (not passed but still being pushed by the Trade Subcommittee of the USCRTF). The response of the main committee of the Task Force is to work through CITES, rather than through more US legislation.

So, don't obfuscate the issues by bringing in the food fish trades, or claiming CITES is already tough enough. The US government can use existing CITES regulations to be tougher on US importers and on export countries that don't properly manage their coral reef resources.

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PeterIMA":2skdsh7b said:
Kalk, My comments were in relation to species in the "AQUARIUM" trade. I was not referring to food fish like groupers. There are some species of corals that environmentalists (like Dr. Tom Goreau) would like to see listed in Appendix I (Banned from trade). The intent of the USCRTF is to tighten the trade in CITES listed species, particularly with regard to their import into the USA. This is clear in the DRAFT Coral Reef Legislation of 2000 (not passed but still being pushed by the Trade Subcommittee of the USCRTF). The response of the main committee of the Task Force is to work through CITES, rather than through more US legislation.

So, don't obfuscate the issues by bringing in the food fish trades, or claiming CITES is already tough enough. The US government can use existing CITES regulations to be tougher on US importers and on export countries that don't properly manage their coral reef resources.

Peter Rubec
WHO DOES NOT PROPERLY MANAGE THEIR CORAL RESOURCES? Show me one study which finds coral collection as a contributor to coral decline! "Tougher on US Importers?" Is having your whole shipment confiscated because your permit states 300 clams and the shipment sports 302 clams tough enough? While thousands of clam eating Asians slaughter thousands of non permitted clamsweekly? Wild clams populations have never been threatened by this hobby, There are more dead Seahorses in one Hong Kong market basket then this hobby takes in a year............The issues are obfuscated not by me ..........but rather by the obsequious followings of people in this hobby ,whom wish to aggrandize their position and power........ To worry about this hobbies effect on the worlds reefs ,is like worrying about the boyscouts campfires ............when there are terrorists with blowtorches blackening the forests day after day.............What hobby reform people are most concerned with is the power and sick joy of controlling the "little boys with matches" when if they truly cared about the forrests{reefs} they would place their efforts on actually helping the reefs.........now wouldnt they?
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kalk:

you still don't seem to be able to understand such a simple concept as:

'two wrongs don't make a right'

not only that-but the 'good fight' has to start somewhere :wink:

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I agree........So why are we faking the second wrong.........so many people willing to lie and make this hobby out to be something that its not? [a significant impact on reef ecosystems} And from within the HOBBY!
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kalk:

make up your mind, pick a stance, and have the guts to 'stick to your guns' :wink:

To worry about this hobbies effect on the worlds reefs ,is like worrying about the boyscouts campfires ............when there are terrorists with blowtorches blackening the forests day after day.............What hobby reform people are most concerned with is the power and sick joy of controlling the "little boys with matches" when if they truly cared about the forrests{reefs} they would place their efforts on actually helping the reefs.........now wouldnt they?

this obviously indicates, quite plainly, that you do believe that two wrongs make a right, and that one shouldn't try to be morally responsible, simple because someone else isn't willing to do the same

your seesawing constantly, prevents me from being able to take you with even half a grain of salt-you don't have an honest opinion of your own-you simply just try to inflame an argument, by playing both ends against the middle, or rather making a very feeble attempt at doing so :wink: -which is a rather pointless goal, and a waste of everyones time.....
 

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Kalkbreath":pbqpn1o2 said:
I agree........So why are we faking the second wrong.........so many people willing to lie and make this hobby out to be something that its not? [a significant impact on reef ecosystems} And from within the HOBBY!

Kalk,

In this whirlwind of words you spout, occasionally I squint and see a hint of coherent thought, mirage-like, buried within. Yes, there are people who want to see the trade shut down. Yes, it will likely have little to no effect on the reefs either way, when looked at from a global view. However, they have the ears of the government, and we do not. Plus, they do have a point: Collection *can* be harmful, especially when species are over-collected in localized areas.

Rationally, this is what people (those conservation-minded types within the hobby that recognize that collection does not have a positive effect on the reef) are talking about. I don't think anyone can argue that collection has a positive effect *on the reef itself*. Often it is over-exploited and left degraded substantially. The collection industry does not always have to end up with substantially degraded reefs however. Collection can be done sustainably. The ideas put forth in various papers, advocating community-based management areas, are probably one of the best solutions to the issues. Collection can help fund reef rehabilitation. In a rational world, hobbyists would buy products from groups and communities that support these efforts.

If implemented in this way, the hobby would not harmful, but a positive force. The question remains though- are hobbyists willing to pay an extra dollar or two per coral to help achieve these ends? Or do the governments of the exporting nations just need to levy a "permit charge" to do the same? I'd like to think that the hobbyists would support it voluntarily, but the sheer number of posts I see looking for the cheapest source of fish/coral/anemones/whatever doesn't leave me with a lot of hope.

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Please list one island country whos reefs have been harmed by this hobbycollection of corals...... Then list one country whos dying reefs were harmed by this hobbys collection of fish ?other then the Phillipines {in which most of PI damage has been by sea food fisherman}?you cant collect fifty times more reef fish without about fifty times more cyanide.
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Kalkbreath":1f05rx75 said:
Please list one island country whos reefs have been harmed by this hobbycollection of corals...... Then list one country whos dying reefs were harmed by this hobbys collection of fish ?other then the Phillipines

Indonesia, for both questions.

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