Some TAG, AMDA, MAC History
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Nancy Swart":22saroql said:
Nancy,
I think I can say this without revealing too much:
There are a lot of things going on behind the scenes. Things are still in flux and not gelled together yet. I believe a lot of this will change within the next month and more will be able to be presented.
As far as the netting goes, as Mary said, it is going to Ferdinand to distribute.
If AMDA and/or CORL trainings occur, I believe that Ferdinand will be involved in some capacity. If he is involved, it is difficult to imagine that netting material will not be distributed to the collectors involved in the trainings. I am nearly equally certain that Ferdinand will not distribute netting to any collectors he thinks still use cyanide. I trust this is clear and answers the question.
Regards.
Mike Kirda
From all of my communication with Ferdie, he is not currently associated with any NGO. In fact, he told me point blank that he has been training on his own for several months. He is interested in working with CORL, but only if they receive funding for the training program. Please note that in his posts here Ferdie makes no mention of an affliation with CORL or AMDA. Will this change in the future? Yes, if funding is found.
I do understand how confusing it gets, because everyone involved knows Ferdie. But let me state once more for the record- the nets being sent over by the hobbyists through me are not designated for any NGO- be it CORL, AMDA, MAC, IMA, or ABCDEFG
I do understand how confusing it gets, because everyone involved knows Ferdie. But let me state once more for the record- the nets being sent over by the hobbyists through me are not designated for any NGO- be it CORL, AMDA, MAC, IMA, or ABCDEFG
Nancy,
I read your post and saw the at first. Here it is
The way you worded it it looks as though you gave to my fund thinking it was a joint venture, and then realized it wasn't. I don't think this was the case, as at least the non-affliation with us and CORL had definitely come out by the time MASNA cut a check. Maybe it's just semantics. Just to clear it up, when MASNA wrote the check did you think it was a joint venture at that time? Was that one reason that made you decide to donate? Sometimes the internet can be a huge PITA when you're trying to communciate!
I read your post and saw the at first. Here it is
The way you worded it it looks as though you gave to my fund thinking it was a joint venture, and then realized it wasn't. I don't think this was the case, as at least the non-affliation with us and CORL had definitely come out by the time MASNA cut a check. Maybe it's just semantics. Just to clear it up, when MASNA wrote the check did you think it was a joint venture at that time? Was that one reason that made you decide to donate? Sometimes the internet can be a huge PITA when you're trying to communciate!
Mike,
With all due respect, all your message tells me is that a plan hasn't even been formulated yet. So how can AMDA ask for $60,000 in donations to cover salaries when they don't even have a plan?
What are the AMDA dealers planning on contributing?
I don't mean to be confrontational but I have a bit more experience with the info the public demands when a non-profit asks for money.
NS
With all due respect, all your message tells me is that a plan hasn't even been formulated yet. So how can AMDA ask for $60,000 in donations to cover salaries when they don't even have a plan?
What are the AMDA dealers planning on contributing?
I don't mean to be confrontational but I have a bit more experience with the info the public demands when a non-profit asks for money.
NS
Nancy - MAC has never answered anything of that nature, we were only able to find out part of the story thru the site you posted (thanks for doing that, some of us didn't have the cajones to do that :wink: ). They've been thru quit a bit of cash, some even given by MASNA as you've stated. Did MASNA ask those questions of MAC prior to kicking them a contribution? What did they asnwer or have they?
AMDA's plan is still in the works as far as I know so I doubt you'll get a response from them UNTIL they finish the plan. In the past, when info of this sort was made available, several phonie trainings took place (on paper for grant money) with that published info. I bet my bottom dollar, the only info you'll get is the budget when its completed, if it hasn't been all ready.
AMDA's plan is still in the works as far as I know so I doubt you'll get a response from them UNTIL they finish the plan. In the past, when info of this sort was made available, several phonie trainings took place (on paper for grant money) with that published info. I bet my bottom dollar, the only info you'll get is the budget when its completed, if it hasn't been all ready.
60k to cover salaries, no thats one MAC salary, wrong group.
AMDA is definitly not asking for 60K to pay in salaries, far from it. Almost all of that money is straight for trainings, but some will have to be used to transport people to PI and for travel within PI. 60k for 1000 divers is quit a good deal considerring 2k claimed trained by all others combined for millions of dollars. MILLIONS, now thats a lot a cash, for training 2k divers.
And what, do you think what salaries are going to be paid aren't worth it? All the trainors are risking there lives to train in some areas, thats not worth some compisation?
AMDA is definitly not asking for 60K to pay in salaries, far from it. Almost all of that money is straight for trainings, but some will have to be used to transport people to PI and for travel within PI. 60k for 1000 divers is quit a good deal considerring 2k claimed trained by all others combined for millions of dollars. MILLIONS, now thats a lot a cash, for training 2k divers.
And what, do you think what salaries are going to be paid aren't worth it? All the trainors are risking there lives to train in some areas, thats not worth some compisation?
Hi Gresham,
Aw c'mon Gresham, I'm sure if others knew that site existed, I wouldn't have been the first to post the link. :twisted:
First, let me clear up a misconception I've seen on this forum twice now. MASNA HAS NEVER GIVEN MAC ONE RED CENT!!!! They started up with tons of grant money and the paltry sum we could've offered would've been an embarrassment rather than helpful.
We HAVE given support by helping to spread the word as we've always tried to do for AMDA and any other organization we feel has a "good cause". This is the main reason for reciprocal liaisons.
As for your fundraiser, publishing a budget would be a good start and very helpful. If you're still working on a plan, that's cool too. This is a major undertaking so a lot of thoughful planning has to go into it to insure success.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
NS
Aw c'mon Gresham, I'm sure if others knew that site existed, I wouldn't have been the first to post the link. :twisted:
First, let me clear up a misconception I've seen on this forum twice now. MASNA HAS NEVER GIVEN MAC ONE RED CENT!!!! They started up with tons of grant money and the paltry sum we could've offered would've been an embarrassment rather than helpful.
We HAVE given support by helping to spread the word as we've always tried to do for AMDA and any other organization we feel has a "good cause". This is the main reason for reciprocal liaisons.
As for your fundraiser, publishing a budget would be a good start and very helpful. If you're still working on a plan, that's cool too. This is a major undertaking so a lot of thoughful planning has to go into it to insure success.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
NS
Nancy -
Like Mike said: I'm not AMDA, nor do I belong to AMDA. I only work for some one who is a AMDA member. Yay, I know, he's the president.
I guess I mis-understood your post, sorry. I thought when you said contribute, you ment cash, my bad.
As for that site, you right on one account, I didn't know it existed, but I wouldn't have posted it (might have emailled it to EVERYONE I know, but not post it). I'm to much of an e-wimp to do that :lol: . Just reread your post, "others would have posted it", YOUR RIGHT ON THAT MARK ON THAT COMMENT.
Like Mike said: I'm not AMDA, nor do I belong to AMDA. I only work for some one who is a AMDA member. Yay, I know, he's the president.
I guess I mis-understood your post, sorry. I thought when you said contribute, you ment cash, my bad.
As for that site, you right on one account, I didn't know it existed, but I wouldn't have posted it (might have emailled it to EVERYONE I know, but not post it). I'm to much of an e-wimp to do that :lol: . Just reread your post, "others would have posted it", YOUR RIGHT ON THAT MARK ON THAT COMMENT.
Gresham, first, let me make something clear... we're behind you/Steve/AMDA and you have our support. The quote above refers to salaries. Somewhere else Steve mentioned people will have to quit their jobs to come work with him.
This now affects the livelihoods of many people which is why I strongly feel a solid plan needs to be in place BEFORE anybody quits their "day" job.
The comment about not caring if the folks get compensated was offbase and uncalled for. If we didn't care, we wouldn't be wasting our time participating here.
I also feel this project is worthy of applying for grant money so if you think *I* ask a lot of questions, you're in for a big surprise. Oh and wait til you pick up the phone and start calling some of the big guys asking for money! Do you think they're just going to drop a check in the mail cuz they like Steve?
NS
Nancy -
Again, I have no affiliation with AMDA. I don't speak for AMDA, nor have I ever claimed so. Pleae just refer to me as me and AMDA as AMDA.
I was only referring to you in that question, not any one else, so you can drop the "we". And I wasn't implying you don't care, obviously you do care if you've been involved with MASNA for so long.
I don't think getting grant money for this portion of the plan is what AMDA was going for. The people writting the grants most likely don't have any stake in our industry, nor have they added in the sales of cyanide caught fish or benifitted from the sales of. Our entire trade is to blame, even the clean outfits. Its our obligation to help fix what we've helped (directly or indirectly) create and purpetuate. Yes, one small grant of 60k would completely fund this plan, but then yet again the industry gets a reprieve.
AS for grant givers asking questions, yah they do don't they. I watched Steve respond to a certain grant giver for many many months, and he wasn't going for a grant, nor did he approach them for one. They called him up, to gather information.
Again, I have no affiliation with AMDA. I don't speak for AMDA, nor have I ever claimed so. Pleae just refer to me as me and AMDA as AMDA.
I was only referring to you in that question, not any one else, so you can drop the "we". And I wasn't implying you don't care, obviously you do care if you've been involved with MASNA for so long.
I don't think getting grant money for this portion of the plan is what AMDA was going for. The people writting the grants most likely don't have any stake in our industry, nor have they added in the sales of cyanide caught fish or benifitted from the sales of. Our entire trade is to blame, even the clean outfits. Its our obligation to help fix what we've helped (directly or indirectly) create and purpetuate. Yes, one small grant of 60k would completely fund this plan, but then yet again the industry gets a reprieve.
AS for grant givers asking questions, yah they do don't they. I watched Steve respond to a certain grant giver for many many months, and he wasn't going for a grant, nor did he approach them for one. They called him up, to gather information.
Gresham,
Sorry for using the word "we". Hard to break an old habit when you've been spokesperson for a group. Thank God Lee wears that hat now!
And if you don't want to be connected with AMDA in any way then stop answering my questions on their behalf.
NS
Sorry for using the word "we". Hard to break an old habit when you've been spokesperson for a group. Thank God Lee wears that hat now!
And if you don't want to be connected with AMDA in any way then stop answering my questions on their behalf.
NS
Nancy -
So now I can't offer any of my knowledge, without being Gresham the AMDA spokesman? I knew some of the answers you were asking, but I guess only AMDA is "allowed" to answer YOUR questions. I never said I didn't want to be connected with AMDA, I was basicly saying I'm not an AMDA member, nor am I on the BOD, or any other portion of AMDA, and AMDA has never asked me to be a spokesman for them. I have knowledge of AMDA from my boss, and what I learned, thats it.
If I was answering on their behalf, I would state that Nancy. I never did state that, so I never answered on their behalf. I myself, don't wear hats, I don't belong to MASNA, MAC, AMDA, IMA, PJAC, PITA, OVI or any other initials. The only groups that I'm a member of is my family and the human race.
But hay, your right, NO ONE SHOULD ANSWER ANY QUESTION UNLESS ITS DIRECTED AT THEM OTHERWISE THEY'LL BE ANSWERING ON BEHALF OF THE ENTITY THAT WAS BEING ASKED THE QUESTION. WE MUST ALL LET ONLY THE ENTITY BEING ASKED A QUESTION ANSWER IT. SO NO ONE BUT MAC CAN NOW ANSWER QUESTONS ABOUT MAC. YOU CAN'T EVEN STICK UP FOR THEM, UNLESS YOUR THEM, OTHERWISE SOME ONE MIGHT THINK YOUR SPEAKING FOR MAC.
So now I can't offer any of my knowledge, without being Gresham the AMDA spokesman? I knew some of the answers you were asking, but I guess only AMDA is "allowed" to answer YOUR questions. I never said I didn't want to be connected with AMDA, I was basicly saying I'm not an AMDA member, nor am I on the BOD, or any other portion of AMDA, and AMDA has never asked me to be a spokesman for them. I have knowledge of AMDA from my boss, and what I learned, thats it.
If I was answering on their behalf, I would state that Nancy. I never did state that, so I never answered on their behalf. I myself, don't wear hats, I don't belong to MASNA, MAC, AMDA, IMA, PJAC, PITA, OVI or any other initials. The only groups that I'm a member of is my family and the human race.
But hay, your right, NO ONE SHOULD ANSWER ANY QUESTION UNLESS ITS DIRECTED AT THEM OTHERWISE THEY'LL BE ANSWERING ON BEHALF OF THE ENTITY THAT WAS BEING ASKED THE QUESTION. WE MUST ALL LET ONLY THE ENTITY BEING ASKED A QUESTION ANSWER IT. SO NO ONE BUT MAC CAN NOW ANSWER QUESTONS ABOUT MAC. YOU CAN'T EVEN STICK UP FOR THEM, UNLESS YOUR THEM, OTHERWISE SOME ONE MIGHT THINK YOUR SPEAKING FOR MAC.
dizzy":37o3n6jw said:
Dizzy,
One needs to try and be polite in society. You mention that if we donate to AMDA the same amount we donated to the netting fund to Mary it would be an insult. Obviously it is you who have not taken the time to even contemplate this body's limited NON-PROFIT BUDGET for a year. If you made what we have to work with in a year you would be well below poverty level. You are also missing the mark with your comments. AMDA has asked for 60,000 bucks. Before asking for such said money from people they best have a solid plan in place or they will never recieve a red cent from anyone. People are not just going to open their wallets. People have every right to question their motives,plans,ideals and anything else in their quest to decide whether to donate.
On a personal level I think this whole thing is a little bit too early to be asking for handout's. If the organization has no solid plan set then how can they ask to be given money for SOMETHING.
Mitch,
I don't know of any behind the scenes deals and we haven't decided not to give. Far from it. A couple of board members of MASNA just want to know how the money is going to be spent before we vote to send a check. We aked the same of Mary before we gave to the MSI fund and promo'ed it to our membership.
We do not want to insult AMDA. Far from it, we have many longtime friends and acquaintances that are AMDA members and officers. Sit in on a MASNA BOD meeting as my guest and participate in our discussion. Remember, it's not so much about $100 from MASNA, we want to help promo your project to the hobbyist community we serve. Experience has shown us that our members can be very generous, but that they will ask these exact questions of us prior to donating.
Friends?
Lee Morey
MASNA
I don't know of any behind the scenes deals and we haven't decided not to give. Far from it. A couple of board members of MASNA just want to know how the money is going to be spent before we vote to send a check. We aked the same of Mary before we gave to the MSI fund and promo'ed it to our membership.
We do not want to insult AMDA. Far from it, we have many longtime friends and acquaintances that are AMDA members and officers. Sit in on a MASNA BOD meeting as my guest and participate in our discussion. Remember, it's not so much about $100 from MASNA, we want to help promo your project to the hobbyist community we serve. Experience has shown us that our members can be very generous, but that they will ask these exact questions of us prior to donating.
Friends?
Lee Morey
MASNA
Please note that I was composing my above post prior to reading what Chuck had to say. We were posting at the same time, it just that I type much more slowly...
Chuck, I don't think that Mitch was saying the amount we plan to send is insulting; he considers it insulting that we haven't sent a check to AMDA yet.
Chuck, I don't think that Mitch was saying the amount we plan to send is insulting; he considers it insulting that we haven't sent a check to AMDA yet.
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