Effects of the Finding Nemo film

[Bill2]

Well being a teacher and having a young one, I doubt kids will understand the supposed negative connatations (haven't seen the movie) Parents might, but whoose going to win Lil' Johnny that wants a Nemo or the Press. I'll put my money on Lil' Johnny.

The sky isn't falling and this movie could be a great opportunity for the industry to exapnd. Heck if 10,000 kids get new fish and 100 of them stay in it, that's 100 new fish heads that have entered the hobby.

 

[John_Brandt]

Interesting. Is MAC going to be there as a form of damage control?

Regards.
Mike Kirda

Damage control, yes, as highly-informative damage control. Certified non-destructive, sustainable aquarium fisheries is damage control. MAC is going to bat for all of you.

Last week I was interviewed by the Los Angeles Times specifically about the issues surrounding the film. I did my best to describe the situation in factual terms. But only time will tell where the chips fall.

It's easy for anyone to oppose cyanide and other destructive collecting methods, but the film doesn't portray this aspect. It goes directly at the act of removing a fish from its natural environment and placing it in captivity. Emotions are played like a violin string.

Be prepared for anything.

John Brandt

MASNA
MAC
CMAS-Chicago

 

[MaryHM]

Where can we get a copy of that flyer, John?

 

[John_Brandt]

Well being a teacher and having a young one, I doubt kids will understand the supposed negative connatations (haven't seen the movie) Parents might, but whoose going to win Lil' Johnny that wants a Nemo or the Press. I'll put my money on Lil' Johnny.

The sky isn't falling and this movie could be a great opportunity for the industry to exapnd. Heck if 10,000 kids get new fish and 100 of them stay in it, that's 100 new fish heads that have entered the hobby.

Teacher,

If I've done my math correctly, your prediction leaves 9,900 dead Nemos :evil:

John Brandt

MASNA
MAC
CMAS-Chicago

 

[John_Brandt]

Where can we get a copy of that flyer, John?

Mary,

I am seeking permission to post it here in the forum, as we speak.


John Brandt

MASNA
MAC
CMAS-Chicago

 

[dizzy]

John,
Well just in case the movie makes kids want clownfish, FBI will be ready. And those grouchy old AMDA BOD members think I don't like kids just because I said they get loud on the school field trips. Note: (Must be logged on to see attached picture.)

 

[Anonymous]

Holy crap...with a tank setup like that, you'll sell 10,000 little Nemos youself!

I have one in the store that's similar, except it's got 25 Moorish Idols in it instead.

Kidding, people! Kidding!

Peace,

Chip

 

[Bill2]

9,900 little nemos dead sure but the biggest question is where did they come from. Read the captive bred/raised thread I started. Ever think about how many fish breeders cull out. I know in talking to friends that do it it's a pretty large number. So do we start a SAVE THE CULL campaign? Taking fish from the wild is one thing... selling captive raised/bred is another.

 

[Mike King]

I will be there in Early July after I visit Fiji for a south pacific aquaculture meeting and will check out the "home made" nets. The crest nets we ordered were hundreds of dollars and the planktonic light traps even more.
Much more than the average collector can afford, I bet they both could be copied in PI real cheap

Mike

 

[Anonymous]

Nemo is drawn as an ocellaris not a percula. There is of course artistic license used throughout the film, but most species are accurately drawn.

Drawn as an ocellaris? How does one do that really? Since you can't tell the difference between an ocellaris and a perc for taxonomic reasons other than by counting the dorsal spines.

I'm assuming you mean that Nemo doesn't have much black coloration, however color is not a valid method for distinguishing the two species.

 

[Anonymous]

I know in talking to friends that do it it's a pretty large number. So do we start a SAVE THE CULL campaign? Taking fish from the wild is one thing... selling captive raised/bred is another.

Save the cull? They are culled for a reason :?

Nothing is more pathetic than a baby clown with no swim bladder.

Actually that would be 10,000 dead clownfish - they aren't immortal :wink: However who the hell is selling wild caught ocellaris these days??? We've been open 5 years and have never had wild clowns in the store and have never been hurting for clowns in our inventory - even with Petco buying from ORA.

 

[John_Brandt]

Nemo is drawn as an ocellaris not a percula. There is of course artistic license used throughout the film, but most species are accurately drawn.

Drawn as an ocellaris? How does one do that really? Since you can't tell the difference between an ocellaris and a perc for taxonomic reasons other than by counting the dorsal spines.

I'm assuming you mean that Nemo doesn't have much black coloration, however color is not a valid method for distinguishing the two species.

The black margins are generally a good indicator. There are other clues besides dorsal spine count as well. Nemo looks like an ocellaris.

 

[John_Brandt]

I just read the complete storyline of Finding Nemo. Nemo is captured on The Great Barrier Reef which would make him Amphiprion percula by geographic default. His origin wasn't initially clear to me as there are at least some characters that are certainly not from the GBR, like a royal gramma. I think he ends up meeting the foreigners in the dentist's office aquarium that becomes his home.

Nemo certainly looks more ocellaris to me. I wonder if Alexander Gould gives him a percula dialect :wink: Ellen DeGeneres is the voice of Dory, the blue tang. Willem Dafoe is the voice of Gill, the Moorish Idol. Albert Brooks is the voice of Marlin, Nemo's father. Allison Janney (American Beauty) is the voice of Peach, the starfish.

 

[dizzy]

John,
Are you sure about your geography? I thought the black ocellaris came from Australia which is Great Barrier Reef no? Is it just possible they have both true perks and common clowns? Also does it really matter all that much?

 

[John_Brandt]

John,
Are you sure about your geography? I thought the black ocellaris came from Australia which is Great Barrier Reef no? Is it just possible they have both true perks and common clowns? Also does it really matter all that much?

Mitch,

I'm sure about my geography. Amphiprion ocellaris and A. percula geographic ranges do not overlap, with one little possibility. Their ranges meet at the extreme western part of Irian Jaya (New Guinea). I have not found information on whether they hybridize there.

Black ocellaris are typically found around Darwin, Australia which is not The Great Barrier Reef. On the GBR itself, one should only find percula.

Does it matter? As far as the natural history of anemonefishes goes, yes it does matter. As far as Nemo goes, it doesn't matter. It's Hollywood!

 

[flameangel1]

Glad I had a few to read this thread today--didnt know what you all meant by "nemo" before--thought it was some new amphipod or something.
Cripes, I need a life-lol !!!
Right now, I have 42 Nemos (2 black -hmm is Nemo black or orange ?)and one tiny Paracanthus in stock-- (Dory, right, John? ) and I waited for two months for the Dory.

Nope, no Nemos in ANY fish bowl will go out of here--wont allow that !!!!!

Steve,
Yes, it is entirely unfair that honest and caring dealers can not compete with a variety as the so-so dealer can do-but we do have PRIDE in what we do. And maybe if we stick to what we believe and teach our customers, eventually we will have that variety and can be competitive !!!
Until then we just try to hang in there and lower our life styles a bit more each day.

 

[flameangel1]

Bill2,
Actually the "mis-bars" (ocellarus with poor or missing markings) are an "in thing" right now, and ORA does sell these "culls".

As I believe even healthy culls have a right to life, I do stock them and for some reason they sell quicker than my regular occellarus.
Customers think they are unique !!

 

[JennM]

I occasionally buy the mis-bars too, and I concur - they sell more quickly because they are different.

Go figure.

I can't believe so much time was invested in researching whether a cartoon fish is A. percula or A. ocellaris

I need to finish unpacking an order........

Jenn

 

[dizzy]

Judy,
Mismarked true perks are quite common, mismarked ocellaris are rarer. If Disney would have made Nemo a mismarked, John would have been able to recognize him as A.percula, but then we might not have had such an informative thread.

 

[John_Brandt]

You guys are talking about perfectly acceptable and saleable "culls". There are also the nitty gritty nasty clownfish culls. It's not uncommon for cultured clownfish to have pug faces, shortened fins, missing or incomplete gill covers, spinal deformities and swim bladder problems. These are really tough to sell.