REEForm; Educating the reefers

[naesco]

As a first step in bringing an awareness to reefers on this board and all boards the effects on cyanide fishing in the Philippines and Indonesia we will be doing the following.
Those interested in reforming the industry are asked to place the following on all their posts.


Although we know some of you have not yet accepted the position taken by REEForm, all of you are aware of the destruction cyanide does to the reefs and all the critters that live there, the unacceptable fish mortality caused by cyanide at site, at your premises and in the reefers tanks.

As a second step in bringing an awareness to industry of the effects of selling cyanide fish to reefers, REEForm will be asking reefers to return their dead fish to the LFS or online store and demanding their money back or a full credit.

 

[mkirda]

What a great idea!

Regards.
Mike Kirda

 

[Anonymous]

Agreed, a great idea.

 

[naesco]

Thanks guys!
How do I make the signature red?
Thank you

 

[Anonymous]

Sign in blood or next to your sig in your profile, you'll see a little text area with BBcode is ON, click on that, it'll give you the low down. Oh, your welcome .

 

[naesco]

Sign in blood or next to your sig in your profile, you'll see a little text area with bbcode: (on), click on that, it'll give you the low down. Oh, your welcome .

Thanks Gresham

 

[Anonymous]

You know, Naesco, I liked you more when you weren't a weirdo.

Why educate people on this board? They know more about what the hell is going on than anyone else...

Why don't you fly yourself over to the Philippines and start preaching the anti-cyanide sermon there, eh?

Peace,

Chip

 

[naesco]

Part of the strategy to stop the destruction of the reefs and the critters that live therein is to educate reefers.
I apologise if I insulted you but hobbyists also frequent Reefs.org.
Reform wants to ensure that reefers are aware that the majority of fish coming in to the US comes from the Philippines and Indonesia where the use of cyanide is rampant.
Reform wants to encourage reefers to return these fish that lost the battle with cyanide to the LFS/online stores who in turn will complain to the wholesalers/importers or will switch to net caught suppliers and other countries.

Education and reefer empowerment is strong deterrent.

We have not abandoned our committment to push for an immediate embarog on the entry of fish from the Philippines and Indonesia and our plans to have those who are in contravention of the Lacey Act, indicted and if convicted punished to the fullest extent of the law.

 

[clarionreef]

Wayne,
Do you mean to say never buy fish from the reformed divers in the Philippines who have embraced sustainable methods? There are good guys in the Philippines collecting more intelligently and sustainably than the crowbar divers in Fiji, Hawaii and Florida. And they sure don't use Quinaldine and 'fry killing' isoprophyl alcohol like so many foolish divers in the Florida Keys do. Should we ban and boycott these as well?
Unsustainable, illegal and stupid practices occur everywhere but in a number of countries Filipinos are now serving as technical consultants and showing the way and doing it right!
To lump the decent people together with everyone smacks of predjudice...which we all know now is a self definition of ignorance.
When applied to human relationships we call it racism.

Steve

 

[kylen]

Wayne,

I have to ask what returning a dead fish will accomplish? How can the hobbyist prove it was a cyanide caught fish? So, if the hobbyist returns a dead fish of Philippine origin to a LFS that I service...what now?

Kyle Nelson
Coast Mountain Aquatics

 

[Anonymous]

Man after dealing with the articles Steve wrote for FAMA in 83 and 84, id say this is ground hog day 2 for him. This same notion was flying around in the earlier 80's, same problem, every one will always claim their fish died of cyanide damage and not the more likely cause, handling. "My mandarin goby died from cyanide", you sure it didn't starve in your waste land?

 

[MaryHM]

Well, Wayne has already started the double talk. First he says don't buy any fish from PI or Indo, then he tells people to buy PI fish from MAC or Seacrop. (Frankly, I'd rather he not associate himself with my business as I've mentioned several times).

See the contradictory thread here:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthrea ... ost1700934

Which is it Wayne? Either you're screaming for an embargo of all fish from PI and Indo or you aren't. How about pick a platform and stick to it. At least then you'd be consistent, and at least that's something.

 

[naesco]

Well, Wayne has already started the double talk. First he says don't buy any fish from PI or Indo, then he tells people to buy PI fish from MAC or Seacrop. (Frankly, I'd rather he not associate himself with my business as I've mentioned several times).

See the contradictory thread here:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthrea ... ost1700934

Which is it Wayne? Either you're screaming for an embargo of all fish from PI and Indo or you aren't. How about pick a platform and stick to it. At least then you'd be consistent, and at least that's something.

I hope everyone reads the RC thread posted above.
Mary with the approval of the sender, I forwarded a LFS to you so that you could supply it with net caught fish. I sought your permission publicly on this board and you asked me to do it.
Are you telling me now that you do not want any referrals? Let me know.
It is you who are inconsistant!
Post on RC on that thread and tell that reefer that you are not interested in dealing with him.

Industry get prepared.'The message below will be posted at every opportunity on every board by everyone who is concerned about cyanide REEForm and others.

 

[MaryHM]

Wayne,

Surprise, surprise! You didn't answer my question.

Which is it Wayne? Either you're screaming for an embargo of all fish from PI and Indo or you aren't.

I'm not inconsistent. I have told you not to post speaking about me or my business. I do not want you running around advertising SeaCrop for me. It makes people think we're in cahoots, and we most definitely are not. You asked me if you could send me the name of an LFS who is interested in net caught. If you come across people who want net caught, then I don't have a problem with you telling them privately that I can help them if you feel you have to. I don't want you publicly touting SeaCrop constantly in every thread talking about cyanide. See how those are two completely different things? You've accused me of being inconsistent before and were proven wrong (without an apology I might add). You may want to look up inconsistency in the dictionary. It's the definition right next to the MAC logo. If you still feel my stance is inconsistent, then no. Do not send me any private referrals.

It sure would be nice if you would answer some questions sometimes. But I guess we're all getting used to your sidestepping any direct questions by this point. Let me lay it out for you one more time, just in case you missed it again:

Which is it Wayne? Either you're screaming for an embargo of all fish from PI and Indo or you aren't.

 

[Anonymous]

Naesco, are you certain you don't work for MAC? You're both good at dodging direct inquiries...

Peace,

Chip

 

[naesco]

Wayne,

I have to ask what returning a dead fish will accomplish? How can the hobbyist prove it was a cyanide caught fish? So, if the hobbyist returns a dead fish of Philippine origin to a LFS that I service...what now?

Kyle Nelson
Coast Mountain Aquatics

Kyle many reefers read the boards and we hope to educate them about cyanide. But how do we educate the LFS who look at a price list only?
How do reefers voice their disgust at cyanide caught fish. The answer is to return the dead fish to the LFS or online store. When enough are returned we hope the LFS sources his fish from non cyanide using countries.
Can the reefer prove it is cyanide caught? No
You are a MAC certified net caught supplier. You do not deal in cyanide fish. LFS and online stores who choose your company do so because of that fact. You will be the beneficiary of LFS looking to change suppliers.

 

[MaryHM]

Wow Wayne. Your whole answer dodging mentality is not going to get you or reeform very far.

But hey! At least you made me laugh with this one.

You do not deal in cyanide fish. LFS and online stores who choose your company do so because of that fact.

Careful, Wayne...your ignorance is showing yet again! I have like 3 or 4 LFS that buy from me because I have net caught fish. The rest could really care less. I would guess Kyle is in the same boat, as is Steve. If we had to depend on the stores that choose us based on our ethics, we'd be out of business in a month. You have this naive notion that people (hobbyists, LFS, whoever) are more interested in net caught. Sure, there are a few, but no where near the amount you seem to think there is.

 

[naesco]

Naesco, are you certain you don't work for MAC? You're both good at dodging direct inquiries...

Peace,

Chip

And what question do you have for REEForm?

 

[naesco]

Wayne,
Do you mean to say never buy fish from the reformed divers in the Philippines who have embraced sustainable methods? There are good guys in the Philippines collecting more intelligently and sustainably than the crowbar divers in Fiji, Hawaii and Florida. And they sure don't use Quinaldine and 'fry killing' isoprophyl alcohol like so many foolish divers in the Florida Keys do. Should we ban and boycott these as well?
Unsustainable, illegal and stupid practices occur everywhere but in a number of countries Filipinos are now serving as technical consultants and showing the way and doing it right!
To lump the decent people together with everyone smacks of predjudice...which we all know now is a self definition of ignorance.
When applied to human relationships we call it racism.

Steve

So I am a racist now, eh. Now that is a new low.
**** you, Steve

 

[Nancy Swart]

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