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CANADIANS FIRST IN REEF FISH CONSERVATION SCHEME

Vancouver, BC -- Kyle Nelson says he and his partner Peter Lloyd just “stumbled into” the business of importing tropical fish two years ago but that path has led him to play a key role in the international drive for better environment standards in the marine aquarium trade. So it’s fitting that their Richmond, BC based wholesale company, Coast Mountain Aquatics, was the first in Canada to receive the Marine Aquarium Council (MAC) certification for importing live reef fish and coral.

Coast Mountain Aquatics was one of a handful of retailers and wholesalers who became the first in the world to be MAC Certified. MAC, an international, organization comprised of conservation organizations, the aquarium industry, public aquariums, hobbyist groups and government agencies, came together to conserve coral reefs and stop destructive practices in fish collection. The organization has worked to set standards that meet World Trade Organization guidelines for those engaged in the collection and care of ornamental marine life from the reef right to the aquarium in your home.

MAC’s biggest challenge is to convince the divers who collect the fish in Southeast Asia to replace the destructive practice of “cyanide-fishing” with a safe collection process using nets. Of the more than ten million marine specimens sold each year in North American pet stores, most come from Indonesia and the Philippines, and most are collected by squirting cyanide into coral reefs, a practice that is dangerous to the fish, harmful to the divers who use it and is destroying the reefs. The cyanide stuns the fish which makes them easier to collect, but it also shortens their lifespan, so that the consumer gets a fish which appears healthy in the store, but often dies within months.

So it made sense to Kyle Nelson that having quality fish collected in an environmentally-friendly manner would be a good situation for the entire industry. “When I first heard about MAC certification, I though it was a great concept,” he says. “It intrigued me because the entire program is not just about having clean (cyanide-free) fish, it envelops the entire process of collection area management, ensuring fair compensation for the collectors using nets as well as proper handling all along the entire chain”.

And he has definitely become an advocate of the entire process—whether it’s assisting the Vancouver Aquarium to include MAC Certified fish in their tanks, raising awareness and training retailers across Canada on good handling techniques, or trying to raise money for more nets for the fish collectors in the Philippines.

David Vosseler, MAC’s Director for the Americas and the Pacific, says Nelson has been a leading light in the development of a sustainable marine aquarium industry globally. “He remains a consistent and reliable source of advice for the improvement of MAC and the certification process as well as an invaluable positive influence on the global market especially in the Philippines,” says Vosseler.

At this point, only collectors in the Philippines are MAC Certified. That’s about to change too thanks to a concerted effort in the Pacific Islands, funded in part by Canada through CIDA and the Canada-South Pacific Ocean Development Program (C-SPOD). Several Pacific Island countries are working to have community-owned collection areas, community-based collectors, and exporters MAC-Certified in the coming months. The next round of certifications are expected to take place in Fiji later this year.

Dr. Kenneth MacKay, who co-ordinates C-SPOD activities in the South Pacific on behalf of LGL Limited, a Sidney-based environmental research company, says C-SPOD funding through the Pacific Islands Forum Secretariat has helped MAC initiate the SMART Program (Sustainable Management of the Aquarium Reef Trade) and it’s producing results. The SMART Program is focusing on economically disadvantaged coastal fishing communities in the Cook Islands, Federated States of Micronesia, Fiji, Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Palau, Samoa, Solomon Islands, Tonga and Vanuatu, providing workshops, training, manuals and other support. Although cyanide fishing is seldom practiced in the Pacific Islands, MAC Certification there will lead to better collection and community-based reef resource management practices for the sustainable harvest of reef fish and coral.

There’s another Canadian connection too. All of the North American MAC Certifications have been carried out by Katrina Kucey of the Shizen Megumi Company, a Vancouver-based certification company. Katrina, a young Vancouver woman, is traveling the continent to assess retailers, wholesalers and importers to see if they are compliant to the MAC standards. She examines their stock, facilities, documentation, transportation and tracking systems.

“Basically, they have to be able to prove authenticity in the way a fish was handled, transported, right back to the initial collection, if they want that fish to be MAC Certified,” she says. But although the certification process adds to the cost of the fish, Katrina believes educated consumers will be willing to pay more for MAC Certified fish. “Canadians support fair trade and they have always been willing to pay a bit more to know that they are buying a safe and environmentally friendly product,” she says.

In an industry that is worth about $1 billion annually worldwide, getting everyone in the industry, including consumers, to support the MAC Certification process is a huge job. But the benefits are beginning to show. Kyle Nelson’s business is rapidly expanding. Consumers are becoming aware that they have options to support the environment when purchasing fish and coral. And the communities where fish collection is a main source of income are also benefiting. When cyanide is used to catch fish, many of the fish are killed by the practice. Now that stringent standards are being put in place, local collectors and their communities are getting involved in reef stewardship, guarding against destructive practices and they are finding that they can make more money because all of their catch is healthy and saleable.
 

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My country is my cathedral,
The northern skys its dome.
They all call her CANADA.
But, I, call her home.

The mountains, the lakes, the valleys,
Are friends I have known,
They all call her CANADA.
But I call her home.

Kyle, way to go, eh! We're number one!
 

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Nice spin piece John,
But Kyle frequently contributes here and his opinions on record and are not quite as sugary sweet as you paraphrase them.
Its been 20 years since netcaught fish became available in the Philippines. ..and some of us have been supporting this all this time. I'm glad someone in Canada is finally buying them in more than token amounts.
Doing the right thing did not start however in Canada 2 years ago, but hey, better late than never.
There is a difference between the daily action of doing what is right and buying only netcaught fish and the administrative act of becoming "certified". The fact is if a tree falls in the forest that is not certified, would you say that it did not therefore fall? Are we all sinners if we do good works but do not belong to the Church of MAC?
I too would have joined MAC if they did not abandon the field work to minimal effort in favor of the more aggressive certification campaign in North America. This campaign carries with it a trickle of ordinary fish and few of note. This glaring lack of product forces dealers to keep buying cyanide fish to run their businesses... to keep killing the coral in order to remain viable...
If a dealer can carry...blatantly carry cyanide fish and become certified still...it cheapens the paper its printed on...and defines the certification process as flawed to the core.

If you get certified ...

and can still deal in cyanide...

how can you claim to be bonafide?

Certification is supposed to mean more than this!
Does DOLPHIN SAFE TUNA mean that they can still kill dolphins and carry the label? Of course not!
Do we put on moral blinders to feel clean again? Sweep it under the rug?
If you feel you must carry cyanide fish for the lack of netcaught variety...fine. Then what is needed is a semi-certified certificate.
A learners permit...a brown belt, not a black...a Jr college degree or an interns status. Journeyman, apprenticeship, still learning the ropes and still trying.
If conferred the status of CERTIFIED so early and so easily in the start of the struggle to convert cyanide fisherman to netsman...you kill incentive to get this thing right. If full reward comes thru half measures...where is the motivation to actually train another couple of thousand divers and finish the job?
Rewards usually come AFTER successful performance in the real world...not before. This cart before the horse reward system brings out the greed in dealers and makes them accomplices to the chicanery.
This corruption of the honest efforts to convert cyanide fisherman undermines legitamite, pending field work and if successful will create a trade where the major cyanide dealers are certified and the honest players will not be. This rubberstamp for cyanide based business will be a setback for the sustainability movement and a huge net negative for the coral reefs.
Sincerely Steve

"When mixing in cyanide fish still gets you certified,
then only outlaws may be bonafide."
 

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{quote}When mixing in cyanide fish still gets you certified,
then only outlaws may be bonafide." {/quote}

agreed !!!! and proud to be an outlaw too !!!
 

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Steve, Judy, and all y'all:

Good one - I don't think John paraphrased anything - probably more like "John hit cut and paste and copied an article from the Canadian News, or from a MAC press release."

Steve's statement that MAC certified retailers can "mix fish" is the most bogus thing ever - and yet y'all repeat it over and over again. Under the guidelines, they can NOT mix fish.

QED.

Please don't tell me that after re-hashing this issue dozens of times here y'all still don't understand the difference between a Certified Retailer and a Certified Fish. It's pretty simple - so I ask that you stop trying to cloud it again....just when people are starting to finally get it.

A certified retailer has demonstrated that their facility meets the standards for acclimating and holding fish - and has passed a certification audit. A certified retailer is just that - a certified retailer.

Certified Fish are totally different. They have been shown (By someone totally different, on the other side of the world for god's sake) to have been caught without cyanide in a sustainable manner - in accordance with the guidelines. And the exporters have passed a certification audit.

Repeat after me now - "I understand that there is more than one kind of certificatioin. MAC Certified Retailers are different than MAC Certified Fish."

I intend to post this correction, or something similar - every time I see this false statement about "mixing fish."

Cheers
James
 
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I guess I'm still confused.

When a MAC certified facility (wholesale) sells uncertified fish, that appears to me as "mixing". So far I haven't seen any one with a MAC certified only wholesale list, which means that, again, the fish have been mixed with other non-certified fish. The same holds true for the retail store. There will be some tanks with certified fish, and some tanks with uncertified fish. So again, they have been mixed.

The main point is that most LFS's don't trust the wholesaler to give them the certified fish, when both are avaliable. And especially when one is out of stock, or has become "uncertified". This speaks more to the problems of wholesaler/retailer relationships than anything. Trusting the wholesaler, who you have never met in person, never seen their facility, and are possibly talking to a sales rep who may never even see the fish, is a big leap of faith. Especially those of us on the East Coast who have the perception that most local LA guys cherry pick the good stuff anyway.

Stating that uncertified automatically means cyanide may be a bit of a stretch, but I don't see how you can maintain that in a facility with two different kinds of fish (certified and uncertified) that there is no mixing going on.
 

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Yes James,
The difference between the two is nite and day.
Certifying facilities is a small accomplishment and well within the grasp of Westerners to do.
Certifying fish has hardly happened for lack of ability to deliver the goods.
So...we will have nice, clean certified facilities for cyanide fish to flow thru. Hail victory.
This is a face saving achievement and one barely 5% as difficult as the conversion of the cyanide trade thru good field work.
Skirting and de-prioritizing the hard job and front-loading the easy one is the hallmark of this empty movement.
Facility reform easy...collecting reform not so easy. You do understand the difference don't you?
If MAC is not up to the job...they can sub-contract out to have it done or they can get out of the way and support others who can do it so much better.
Sincerely, Steve
 

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John_Brandt":1mj1zypw said:
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Canada-South Pacific Ocean Development Program



CANADIANS FIRST IN REEF FISH CONSERVATION SCHEME

Vancouver, BC -- Kyle Nelson says he and his partner Peter Lloyd just “stumbled into” the business of importing tropical fish two years ago but that path has led him to play a key role in the international drive for better environment standards in the marine aquarium trade. So it’s fitting that their Richmond, BC based wholesale company, Coast Mountain Aquatics, was the first in Canada to receive the Marine Aquarium Council (MAC) certification for importing live reef fish and coral.

Coast Mountain Aquatics was one of a handful of retailers and wholesalers who became the first in the world to be MAC Certified. MAC, an international, organization comprised of conservation organizations, the aquarium industry, public aquariums, hobbyist groups and government agencies, came together to conserve coral reefs and stop destructive practices in fish collection. The organization has worked to set standards that meet World Trade Organization guidelines for those engaged in the collection and care of ornamental marine life from the reef right to the aquarium in your home.

MAC’s biggest challenge is to convince the divers who collect the fish in Southeast Asia to replace the destructive practice of “cyanide-fishing” with a safe collection process using nets. Of the more than ten million marine specimens sold each year in North American pet stores, most come from Indonesia and the Philippines, and most are collected by squirting cyanide into coral reefs, a practice that is dangerous to the fish, harmful to the divers who use it and is destroying the reefs. The cyanide stuns the fish which makes them easier to collect, but it also shortens their lifespan, so that the consumer gets a fish which appears healthy in the store, but often dies within months.

So it made sense to Kyle Nelson that having quality fish collected in an environmentally-friendly manner would be a good situation for the entire industry. “When I first heard about MAC certification, I though it was a great concept,” he says. “It intrigued me because the entire program is not just about having clean (cyanide-free) fish, it envelops the entire process of collection area management, ensuring fair compensation for the collectors using nets as well as proper handling all along the entire chain”.

And he has definitely become an advocate of the entire process—whether it’s assisting the Vancouver Aquarium to include MAC Certified fish in their tanks, raising awareness and training retailers across Canada on good handling techniques, or trying to raise money for more nets for the fish collectors in the Philippines.

David Vosseler, MAC’s Director for the Americas and the Pacific, says Nelson has been a leading light in the development of a sustainable marine aquarium industry globally. “He remains a consistent and reliable source of advice for the improvement of MAC and the certification process as well as an invaluable positive influence on the global market especially in the Philippines,” says Vosseler.

At this point, only collectors in the Philippines are MAC Certified. That’s about to change too thanks to a concerted effort in the Pacific Islands, funded in part by Canada through CIDA and the Canada-South Pacific Ocean Development Program (C-SPOD). Several Pacific Island countries are working to have community-owned collection areas, community-based collectors, and exporters MAC-Certified in the coming months. The next round of certifications are expected to take place in Fiji later this year.

Dr. Kenneth MacKay, who co-ordinates C-SPOD activities in the South Pacific on behalf of LGL Limited, a Sidney-based environmental research company, says C-SPOD funding through the Pacific Islands Forum Secretariat has helped MAC initiate the SMART Program (Sustainable Management of the Aquarium Reef Trade) and it’s producing results. The SMART Program is focusing on economically disadvantaged coastal fishing communities in the Cook Islands, Federated States of Micronesia, Fiji, Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Palau, Samoa, Solomon Islands, Tonga and Vanuatu, providing workshops, training, manuals and other support. Although cyanide fishing is seldom practiced in the Pacific Islands, MAC Certification there will lead to better collection and community-based reef resource management practices for the sustainable harvest of reef fish and coral.

There’s another Canadian connection too. All of the North American MAC Certifications have been carried out by Katrina Kucey of the Shizen Megumi Company, a Vancouver-based certification company. Katrina, a young Vancouver woman, is traveling the continent to assess retailers, wholesalers and importers to see if they are compliant to the MAC standards. She examines their stock, facilities, documentation, transportation and tracking systems.

“Basically, they have to be able to prove authenticity in the way a fish was handled, transported, right back to the initial collection, if they want that fish to be MAC Certified,” she says. But although the certification process adds to the cost of the fish, Katrina believes educated consumers will be willing to pay more for MAC Certified fish. “Canadians support fair trade and they have always been willing to pay a bit more to know that they are buying a safe and environmentally friendly product,” she says.

In an industry that is worth about $1 billion annually worldwide, getting everyone in the industry, including consumers, to support the MAC Certification process is a huge job. But the benefits are beginning to show. Kyle Nelson’s business is rapidly expanding. Consumers are becoming aware that they have options to support the environment when purchasing fish and coral. And the communities where fish collection is a main source of income are also benefiting. When cyanide is used to catch fish, many of the fish are killed by the practice. Now that stringent standards are being put in place, local collectors and their communities are getting involved in reef stewardship, guarding against destructive practices and they are finding that they can make more money because all of their catch is healthy and saleable.

John,

More positive news like this will come. There are people from this industry that are reacting in a positive way to MAC's initiatives. Those are the ones that will make the difference. MAC team keep up the good work!

Jaime
 

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Well Jaime, from your last response I guess I'm not going to be one of the people to "make a difference". Oh well, I can live with that. However, I can't live with the fact that you STILL haven't sent me that email you promised. [email protected]
 

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John_Brandt":33e11hgu said:
CANADIANS FIRST IN REEF FISH CONSERVATION SCHEME
Vancouver, BC .

MAC’s biggest challenge is to convince the divers who collect the fish in Southeast Asia to replace the destructive practice of “cyanide-fishing” with a safe collection process using nets. Of the more than ten million marine specimens sold each year in North American pet stores, most come from Indonesia and the Philippines, and most are collected by squirting cyanide into coral reefs, a practice that is dangerous to the fish, harmful to the divers who use it and is destroying the reefs. .

Are most of the marine fish sold in America caught with cyanide? If that premise is true then the MAC certifed retailers here in the US are defintely, positively, selling some cyanide caught fish and they damn well know it. Call it mixing if you like. I'm just wondering how the MAC representative who leaked the information in this article knows that most of the fish really are caught by cyanide. This is certainly contrary to the data that Peter Rubec provided when the CDT was in effect. I find it strange that MAC would identify such a serious problem, and then instead of addressing it in Indonesia, decide to move on to Fiji where it is not a problem instead. I'm really having a hard time understanding the priorites spelled out here.
Mitch Gibbs
 

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Mitch,
Like employees...they're taking the path of least resistance. Fiji is nice and safe and no cyanide around. The certified fish will finally be all netcaught! They want to do Puerto Rico and Mexico as well. Hawaiis nice this time of year and Australia is always fun.
Vacation spots all and a lot more fun than working with commited, pro-cyanide exporters [ "cough...cartel...cough" ] in Indonesia. When the group to be certified is this shameless and guilty even MAC has its limits. Even they cannot find a way yet to "represent" the Indo cyanide exporters assn. openly, So...its left in the dark for now because there's enough trouble with the "reformed" Philippine exporters assn.
So much of this would sort itself out if there were more bonafide fish to go with all the canned eco-rhetoric.
Talk, talk, talk...when do we eat?
Steve
ps. In other words Mitch...no netcaught Majestic angels for awhile.
 

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The answer to your question Dizzy is easy.
MAC received hundreds of thousands of dollars from people and corporations that want to see results.
Apart from the Philippines and Indonesia the results have been excellent.
But the Philippines has been a failure for MAC despite the hard work of the MAC people and the leadership of MAC itself.

MAC is clever enough to distance itself from the whole cyanide issue in the Phillipines. There is a major battle brewing and you all know it is coming.
It is clearly in MACs interest to withdraw forthwith.
MACs role, and the role of all reformers (no e) will be to do whatever is possible to assist the Philippines AFTER industry makes a committment to stop using cyanide, provide a timeline for its end and finance the training and CDT necessary for this change.
Until that committment and the timeline agreed upon, REForm will continue its bring an awareness of the cyanide issue and to press for an immediate and total embargo on all fish, coral and rock from the Philippines.
 

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So you are proposing I forgo a major portion of my business, even purchasing from known net caught suppliers?
 

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Now boys,
After being the first to embrace reform and lead the way in the Philippines, we now hear that it would be wise to...retreat?
Does MAC know about this? Is it official?
Kyle, meet Wayne...Wayne, Kyle.
Steve
ps. Kyle, are you ready to do without all that coral and rock [ referenced in Waynes post] from the Philippines as well as the new netcaught fish?
 

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MaryHM":2igjdsqh said:
Well Jaime, from your last response I guess I'm not going to be one of the people to "make a difference". Oh well, I can live with that. However, I can't live with the fact that you STILL haven't sent me that email you promised. [email protected]

Mary,
I didn't promise you anything. I said " Regarding the e-mail I'll get back to you tomorrow" and I did, I send you a private message to [email protected] the following day. This is not the subject of the thread.

Jaime
 

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kylen":hdimojaz said:
So you are proposing I forgo a major portion of my business, even purchasing from known net caught suppliers?

You are a businessman. The wise business decision for you, online stores, LFS would be to source your fish from countries other than the Philippines and Indonesia.

Form a group of those in the industry who are net caught and push for an exemption from the embargo. Satisfy them that a stateside cyanide detection test (CDT) linked with some certification would suffice.

This would be a good topic for the MASNA convention.
 

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cortez marine":1nuf6jw5 said:
Now boys,
After being the first to embrace reform and lead the way in the Philippines, we now hear that it would be wise to...retreat?
Does MAC know about this? Is it official?
Kyle, meet Wayne...Wayne, Kyle.
Steve
ps. Kyle, are you ready to do without all that coral and rock [ referenced in Waynes post] from the Philippines as well as the new netcaught fish?

Yes Cortez, lie back and rest ye awhile.

There is no doubt in my mind that a temporary pull out of the Philippines until the situation chnages is at the top of their agenda. They along with others will be the leaders in helping a cyanide free industry there make the switch.
 

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naesco":1j63f8zf said:
REForm will continue {snip} to press for an immediate and total embargo on all fish, coral and rock from the Philippines.

:roll: Well, ya got two outta three done circa 1986 or so... :roll:

They stopped the export of sand, coral and rock before my time in the hobby. Although if you look at FAMA circa 1983 or so, you can find lots of ads for Philippines coral sand...

How can REForm press for an embargo, yet support MAC? I'm confused.

Regards.
Mike Kirda
 

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