Observation on Imperial thread

[mkirda]

I find the end of the thread premature.

I find that Nancy asked the wrong question.
I find Kalk's anti-reform statement again disturbing in its limited scope of thought.

By pushing for net training, Steve is looking forward to the greater good of the industry as a whole, and at the expense of his own personal commercial interests. Were he to pursue only his own interests, the way to do so would be far simpler- Work with a single exporter to ship him and him alone the money fish, and work with a couple of collector groups to supply this exporter alone. He would train a few groups in several areas to ensure the variety of fish were good. And he would jealously guard this all as his "secret supply".

By trying to work with CORL (and possibly MAC) to train a 1000 collectors nationwide, Steve abandons his narrow commercial interest. These collectors will not be secret. They will sell to whomever they want to sell. The only people who will benefit are the collectors themselves, the exporters, the importers, and ultimately, the hobbyists.

If the bulk of the collectors no longer use cyanide, and the collectors sell to whomever they want, the end result is still business as usual, but with a twist... No more cyanide use. Maybe slightly higher prices. Fish that eat and don't waste away. Fish that survive. And still healthy competition between exporters.

I hope the money can be found.

Regards.
Mike Kirda

 

[dizzy]

Mike,
I felt Rover was a little too quick to lock the thread as well. I think Nancy misinterpreted Steve's rhetoric. (How could that happen?) There is also the fact that AMDA has been a bit slow in getting its own net fund going and Steve is the President. I think the net fund issue is being worked out in a manner so that it will compliment the excellent effort that Mary is making and not compete. Please realize that AMDA members have a limited amount of free time to devote to this type of work as well, due to the amount of time running a business requires.

 

[Anonymous]

Nothing I can add to your comments, except that I agree wholeheartedly. Especially in the case of locking the thread, I saw no need for that (yet?).

 

[Nancy Swart]

Were he to pursue only his own interests, the way to do so would be far simpler- Work with a single exporter to ship him and him alone the money fish, and work with a couple of collector groups to supply this exporter alone. He would train a few groups in several areas to ensure the variety of fish were good. And he would jealously guard this all as his "secret supply".

Mike, this is how I interpreted the original response to the original question. I know for a fact that others interpreted it the same way so I'm not the only one trying to get a handle on Steve's communication style.

Bottom line, I think all concerned are trying to do good things and we should support them. However, these discussions also serve to educate concerned hobbyists.

Geez....I'm going to owe soooo many people drinks in Louisville to make peace. With my kind of luck, Steve will probably order the most expensive stuff in the house.

Nancy

 

[clarionreef]

Nancy,
And to remain an enigma, I'd like to point out that :
1] I was voted most misunderstood in high school.
yet...
2] have a B.A. degree in communication
and...
3] don't drink alcohol of any kind
and
4] need to wholesale fish/corals and invertebrates in order to pay the DSL and phone bills to stay online, run AMDA etc. spend countless time on non sales oriented, trade issues and get home by 11;00 pm.

I relize that everything is suspect the efforts to do good. The good guys are no longer all that good and the bad guys not always that bad.
I wish that the efforts to do harm were just as suspect of those of us that welcome dialogue, debate and give and take.
Sincerely, Steve
PS.
ps SOMETIMES WHEN IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE FIGHTING, ITS WHEN WE'RE ACTUALLY JUST STARTING TO COMMUNICATE.

 

[Caterham]

Seamaiden,

HI there!

Sorry if my post was misleading or confused you in any way. I can see how my sig would be confusing for sure. It matters not who I am or what my experience is really, I just wanted to point out that I agree 100% with the statement that kalkbreath posted.

Thanks!

 

[Nancy Swart]

So, Steve, I guess this means we have to do dinner instead. I can see already that this MACNA will follow the tradition of 3 days with no sleep.

Correct, the best information sometimes comes forth as a result of heated debates. When I was an Op on FishNet, I learned sooo much from the REALLY heated exchanges between the chemistry technowizards. Dr. Ron Shimek had just entered the cyber-scene and started talking about keeping our tanks at 80+ degrees. I think that one went on for a year.

Remember those days, John???

Nancy

 

[Nancy Swart]

By trying to work with CORL (and possibly MAC) to train a 1000 collectors nationwide, Steve abandons his narrow commercial interest.

Here we go again, Mike. Somewhere else either here or on RC you (or somebody else) stated that there's no chance that CORL or Steve will ever work with MAC as the heads of these organizations are not even speaking to each other anymore as a result of their meeting at IMAC. Are you now saying there's still a chance that CORL/MAC/AMDA will work together?

I don't mean to be a PITA but we need to be VERY CAREFUL of statements made on the Internet. When posting on behalf of other individuals or organizations, if it's not proven fact, then don't post it publicly.

Off my soapbox now...

Nancy

 

[mkirda]

Here we go again, Mike. Somewhere else either here or on RC you (or somebody else) stated that there's no chance that CORL or Steve will ever work with MAC as the heads of these organizations are not even speaking to each other anymore as a result of their meeting at IMAC. Are you now saying there's still a chance that CORL/MAC/AMDA will work together?

It was Steve who said so, and it was in another thread on this board.
Personally, I took it as a last ditch effort to get things moving again, if it were to be salvagable. Beyond this, I'll let Mike King or Steve Robinson comment further.

Regards.
Mike Kirda