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Jaime Baquero

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Mike,

I'd suggest that in the future before making any statement you double check with your sources to make sure you are not misinforming the readers..

Mary,

As Peter said until ornamental fish collectors are licensed we won't have the real number. From our work with the Haribon Foundation we estimated that number between 4,000 and 4,500 The only way to know that is by traveling across the country and registrating each collector in each coastal community. It is just a project by itself.

Haribon/OVI projects trained 700 collectors. The other 200 hundred is an estimated we got of other collectors that were trained by trainers as an activity in the communities, it was trainers initiative to teach other collectors. Lack of incentive from the industry to pay more to collectors is one of the reasons why some of the trained collectors went back to cyanide. The anaylis presented by Peter about the actual number of fisherfolks offering net caught to the industry is the best information you can get.

I'd say that the number of collectors that need training is more than 2,000 considering the fact that some just quit fishing because many reasons (dangerous activity, activity that doesn't pay enough, no fish (overcollection)..etc). Other collectors need re-training as Peter just explained.

To complement to what I said in a previous post, I must said that the work done by organizations as the Haribon Foundation and OVI was oriented to educate fisherfolks in coastal communities about the environmental damage caused by the cyanide they were spreading to the coral heads when collectin fish. Our main objective was and is is to help to protect marine ecosystems in particular coral reefs. Our programs in the Philippines were not concentrated only and exclusively to train collectors to use nets instead of cyanide, we worked at community level on community organizing, environmental education, and alternative livelihoods.

The work of NGOs in the Philippines during the last 14 years has contributed in a considerable way to dimish the use of cyanide by fisherfolks collecting ornamentals for the aquarium industry. The situation in the Philippines is bad and it would be worse if we hadn't had people from NGOs contributing to do what has been done. The direct beneficiary of all the work done by NGOs during all those years are members of the industry, that includes many of the readers of this forum who bought and buy fish from the Philippines. That is great... but don't you think that is time to put something back? In the past, we didn't get any serious economic support from the industry to help the net training program. The only thing we got were applauses for a well done job. By then we didn't have the internet, or should I say, this kind of forums that can motivate, or the contrary(when the discussions are not serious enough) the readers to contribute to a good cause

Community organizing, capacity building, gender issues and alternative livelihoods are aspects that need attention when dealing with the cyanide issue in the PI and IN.

Gresham,

Ecovitality, got in contact with PMP. Howard visited the facility when it was near to close down. He was disappointed because he was expecting to see a multimillion dollar operation. They didn't get any fish from PMP.

Most of the buyers PMP had were from Europe and Canada.

Marillon

OVI is still active and is contributing the best the organization can to achieve the goals of organizations that such as MAC are working to find solutions to the problems the trade faces.. In Canada we have sources of funding that can be oriented towards initiatives tending to help coastal communities protecting at the same time the coral reef ecosystem.

Jaime Baquero
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MaryHM

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Gresham,

I don't look at the order sheets from other wholesalers, so I have no real idea who brings in the most PI. My educated guess would be All Seas, since their family owns a station in the Philippines. As far as Barnett, I thought he was strictly a transshipper without a holding facility? I only used people with actual facilities for my list.
 

PeterIMA

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Mary, You should add Barnett to your importer list. He also has a large financial interest in two Philippine export companies.

Peter Rubec
 

Jaime Baquero

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Nancy,

Many thanks for your positive words. It is good to know that people appreciate what you do. It is a great feeling.

Members of the Chicago club supported and encouraged our activities in the Philippines. I met some of them , they are concerned.... nice people.

Jaime
 

tstone

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Mary, Jaime et. all

There is a large group of people here in Boston that would like to help in any way we can. The Boston Reefers Society is committed to this issue.

If there is anything I can do please let me know. I/we are constantly trying to raise awareness but would like to be more active.

Keep fighting the good fight.
 

Jaime Baquero

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Tstone,

Great to know that you and members from your club are willing to help and that there is an awareness component in your agenda.

One positive way to help is by supporting activities such as the net training campaing that some groups have undertaken. I know, that now there are more choices than before when is time to decide which group you want to support. I suggest to ask for information about the program the group you have selected has. In order to be effective the selected group needs to be working with an organization or group in the Philippines (in this case) with a
solid background that is related to the problem we are trying to address.

Jaime
 

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PeterIMA":83j1idhk said:
Mary,

I would guess there are 3 to 4 thousand aquarium fish collectors. I have used 4,000 in my Net-Caught Cyanide-Free paper based on a published paper by an Anonymous writer (1998) who described the Haribon Program in the Live Reef Fish Information Bulletin. In my recent OFI paper I estimated 1900 aqauarium fish collectors had received net-training from Haribon/OVI and IMA. Horge stated recently there were 11,000 fishermen using cyanide to capture groupers. Ferdinand told me he had data that indicated there were about 3-4 thousand grouper fishermen. I think all of these estimates are based more on speculation rather than hard data.

Until fish collectors are licensed, we can not be more precise. The number of collectors may actually be going down, due to market conditions and depletion/degredation of the reefs.

An indication of this decline is based on the estimates of the number of live fish export companies. In 1988, there were 65 export companies. In 1998 there were 35 (based on a list I obtaind from BFAR and IMA's inventory of export permits). I would guess there are presently about 30 export companies. Perhaps, John Brandt can provide better estimates.

Peter Rubec

Peter,

There are 33 marine fish export companies in the Philippines. Of those, only about 10 are active on a regular basis.
 

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