The Philippines, net training, key players/ Relevant info.

[Jaime Baquero]

Mike, allow the readers to have their own opinion. The idea readers had was that Ferdinand was the dedicated and passionated field trainer working on his own. If you read the thread. How is Imperial? and What MAC can do? you'll see that never was stated that Ferdinand was exporter or had a related business. That can change readers point of view. There is information that is vital and must be disclosed when dealing with sensitive matters as the one we're addressing here. The question that probably won't get answer is to know if Ferdinand is in parternship with Imperial. If you recall something else please let us know.

Jaime,

I have never thought or tried to lay claim to 'the only way'.
Diversity in thought and opinion is important to me- Remember, I work within academia.

You seem to think that the fact that Ferdie once worked in a family fish exporting business is somehow earthshatteringly important. That the fact that he did so now makes him tainted and untrustworthy in any way. At the very least, this is what you insinuate.

Over the course of the time we were together, I can only tell you of my thoughts and impressions. They are my opinions and my opinions alone.

Ferdie talked about the fish business quite a bit. It is apparent that there is a bit of a love-hate relationship there. His heart was never really in running the business, and this is readily apparent.

When Ferdie starts to talk about the collectors, there is this amazing change. His face lights up. He smiles. His eyes sparkle. He becomes far more animated. He is in his element. His ethusiasm is infective, his passions he wears on his sleeve.

There is much to admire about the man. I would also have to confess that there is a lot I do not know about him. I do not know his mother's name, although I have spoken to her a half dozen times. I've met his daughter a couple of times, her nickname was Cheka, but I have no idea what her real name is. He has another daughter of which I am aware, but I do not know much about her. He has a wife, whom I have also spoken with, but I do not know her name either. He is somewhat private, chosing not to speak about these things with me. Is this out of a regard for privacy, or do you ascribe it to hiding something, Jaime?

If I gave the readers of this forum the impression that Ferdie is a dedicated and impassioned field trainer, then I guess I did a pretty good job of conveying my feelings without ever giving them a lot of thought...
Sorry to the readers of this forum that I never considered Ferdie's involvement in the second family export business 'vital' or 'sensitive' in any way. It was not my intention to mislead anyone, if in fact anyone was mislead. You deem this information vital, Jaime. Now it is out there for everyone to make up their own opinion.

As far as the final question, Is Ferdie involved in a business relationship with Imperial Marine? I've already answered it to the best of my knowledge.

One of these days when Ferdinand will have some free time he can get in this forum and answer the question. I have some more that I must ask directly to him, no over the phone. It is not a rush.

Regards
Jaime

 

[mkirda]

More inconsistencies. Please read http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthrea ... did=223278 according to the answers posted, after the fishers get the nets they can do with the fish they collect whatever they want. They can sell them to any buyer..... including the bad ones. So....

Jaime,

How is this inconsistent, and what is it inconsistent with?

What exactly is wrong with a free market economy? I mean, I realize you are living in Canada and used to their version of a free market, but the Philippines is not socialist or communist or Fascist. The collectors have the freedom to sell to whomever they want. Which is the point, really.

Yes, even the bad ones. If all their suppliers are net fishermen, are they still so bad?

Regards.
Mike Kirda

 

[mkirda]

jaime,

A request... Can you please learn how to use the quote system in phpBB?

Purty please with sugar on top?

Regards.
Mike Kirda

 

[PeterIMA]

Jaime, I agree with Mike. Please learn to use the embedded messaging. You have posted Mike's previous message in a way that implies that you wrote it.

I have been looking at my records concening Philippine export companies. So far, I have not found any indication that a company named Marine Enterprises exists or existed in 1995.

PS Ferdinand's mother's name is Este.

Peter Rubec

 

[clarionreef]

Rats!
I thought he did write it and was making amends. I was going to congratulate him for 'coming around' and working with the reform movement rather than nay-saying every, single constructive thing happening now.
Steve

 

[Jaime Baquero]

Rats!
I thought he did write it and was making amends. I was going to congratulate him for 'coming around' and working with the reform movement rather than nay-saying every, single constructive thing happening now.
Steve

Wrong again!

 

[Jaime Baquero]

Jaime, I agree with Mike. Please learn to use the embedded messaging. You have posted Mike's previous message in a way that implies that you wrote it.

I have been looking at my records concening Philippine export companies. So far, I have not found any indication that a company named Marine Enterprises exists or existed in 1995.

PS Ferdinand's mother's name is Este.

Peter Rubec

Peter and Mike,

I'll do.

jaime

 

[Jaime Baquero]

More inconsistencies. Please read http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthrea ... did=223278 according to the answers posted, after the fishers get the nets they can do with the fish they collect whatever they want. They can sell them to any buyer..... including the bad ones. So....

Jaime,

How is this inconsistent, and what is it inconsistent with?

What exactly is wrong with a free market economy? I mean, I realize you are living in Canada and used to their version of a free market, but the Philippines is not socialist or communist or Fascist. The collectors have the freedom to sell to whomever they want. Which is the point, really.

Yes, even the bad ones. If all their suppliers are net fishermen, are they still so bad?

Regards.
Mike Kirda

Mike,

I've taken my time to prepare this post because I do not want you to {yawn} and say " There's nothing on TV, honey.....I've seen this movie before"

So... lets put some substance here in.

You , Mike, Mary and Steve are saying that the collectors can sell their fish to ANY exporter they select, including the bad ones. Aren't you worried about the fact that those "other" exporters could mix your net caught fish with cyanide caught ?

You have been attacking MAC because they, as you have stated many times, are certifying exporters that sell net caught mixed with cyanide caught fish. Are you planning to do the same?

How can you be sure that your fish is cyanide free?

You are saying that your movement is willing to sell the fish coming from your "program" to the highest bidder, if that bidder is Lolita Ty (MAC Certified exporter), then so be it.

Mike, those are just words because the situation in the field is completely different as follows:

**** Earlier - Ferdinand had the collectors diverting half their shipments to Imperial and Habitat, the other half I assume was diverted to RVS.

****Later- When Marivi, from Habita, was considering to join the MAC certification program, Ferdinand got dissapointed with Marivi, but to that time Ferdinand, "STILL hadn't prevent any fish from flowing into her outfit".

****Today- An with Ferdinand "power and control of the situation" is possible that she'll start to have problems to get good quality, high value fish and variety. This because she is now a MAC certified exporter.

Ferdinand priority number one is to make Imperial succed in the US. It doesn't matter what the cost will be.

I find this very disturbing and sick? Do you guys support Ferdinand actions?!

Regards

Jaime

 

[mkirda]

Mike,

I've taken my time to prepare this post because I do not want you to {yawn} and say " There's nothing on TV, honey.....I've seen this movie before"

Oh, no... I ALWAYS tune in for the "Jaime and Wayne's World" show.

So... lets put some substance here in.

You , Mike, Mary and Steve are saying that the collectors can sell their fish to ANY exporter they select, including the bad ones. Aren't you worried about the fact that those "other" exporters could mix your net caught fish with cyanide caught ?

"Your"??? I'm not in the fish business, Jaime. Let's get that fallacy out of the way first. My work has nothing to do with fish or water.

More on your question at the end...

You have been attacking MAC because they, as you have stated many times, are certifying exporters that sell net caught mixed with cyanide caught fish. Are you planning to do the same?

I have no such plans, Jaime. Again, I am not in the fish business.

How can you be sure that your fish is cyanide free?

Well, my fish are one yellow tang from Hawaii and one ORA tank-bred Pajama Cardinal. I don't think either one was caught with cyanide...

You are saying that your movement is willing to sell the fish coming from your "program" to the highest bidder, if that bidder is Lolita Ty (MAC Certified exporter), then so be it.

My movement? I started a movement? Huh. Forgive me if I have no idea what movement that is...

Mike, those are just words because the situation in the field is completely different as follows:

**** Earlier - Ferdinand had the collectors diverting half their shipments to Imperial and Habitat, the other half I assume was diverted to RVS.

****Later- When Marivi, from Habitat, was considering to join the MAC certification program, Ferdinand got dissapointed with Marivi, but to that time Ferdinand, "STILL hadn't prevent any fish from flowing into her outfit".

****Today- An with Ferdinand "power and control of the situation" is possible that she'll start to have problems to get good quality, high value fish and variety. This because she is now a MAC certified exporter.

Huh? This makes no sense. In the beginning, Ferdinand sat down with Marivi to create a target price for net-caught fish that was higher than what other exporters were paying. She was getting most all of the fish. She was certified and life was good. Then some of the PTFEA members got certified, using the fish tracking system she had spent two years working on. However, they didn't raise their prices, so she still got the bulk of the fish.

In the meantime, I understand others have slowly come around and started raising their prices to also get the net-caught fish. So the collectors began to spread around the wealth. Some of this started before Ferdie left MAC. It is no secret that Ferdinand did not like the fact that some of the PTFEA members got certified.

Ferdinand priority number one is to make Imperial succed in the US. It doesn't matter what the cost will be.

Ok, that one came WAY out of left field... There is a jump in logic here I do not think you can make... Did I just get abducted by aliens and lose nine minutes?

I find this very disturbing and sick? Do you guys support Ferdinand actions?!

Did I just get abducted again? Jaime, WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? The Jaime and Wayne's World show's plot is like a caliopy on a carousel. Going round and round, with lots of steam and heat and wild music, but are you going anywhere?

Are we there yet?

***********************************************************
Ok, Do I support Ferdinand's actions?

Well, yes, I support him giving nets to the net collectors.
I support him going to Aparri to give net trainings to the other 94 collectors using cyanide.
I support him training collectors in Bicol.
I support him introducing collectors to a number of exporters.
I support him in helping to negotiate the best price for these collectors that they can get for their fish.

Others have made claims that the PTFEA is a cyanide cartel and that almost all fish that they sell are caught with cyanide.

If we posit that this is true, you ask me if I am worried about the collectors selling fish to the cartel.

My answer to you is that, honestly, I would be conflicted. On the one hand, the 'cartel' should be shut down. But on the other, if a village has been turned from cyanide to nets, then this is one less place where cyanide is being used. This is a victory from which we can move on to the next village.

Reform without the cash and commitment will always proceed slowly. At this point, we are talking about reform a village at a time, Jaime. Once we hit all the villages, where will 'the cartel' be buying their fish from? Indonesia? No, they will still be PI fish, but caught with nets instead of cyanide. "The cartel" would become a net cartel instead of a cyanide one.

I recognize one thing: If I were to fight the PTFEA, I would lose. However, by working to convert their sources, we win in a way that is permanent and spectacular.

The real question is: How do we ignite the trainings? Where do we get the money? I know that this is to esoteric for hobbyists, and 'industry' will do little to support it: I think they will define things as self-interest, and not support anything that would benefit their competitors, even if it benefitted them equally. There will be too many companies that hold back, and not contribute, yet will expect to ride that wave when it comes in. Honestly, I think it has to come from government, grants, NGOs or possibly fund raisers.

I still have to question what you were trying to ask about Ferdie and where those questions came from. You mentioned earlier an e-mail that came in to you, from someone unnamed. This apparently was not addressed to you, but contained some juicy tidbits, of which you have been hinting around about. And by hinting around, I mean around and around and around and around and around. I'm getting dizzy, Jaime, trying to catch all the hints and innuendos you haphazardly drop from an e-mail from someone who has an axe to grind.

Why don't you just lay it out for us straight?

Who was the e-mail from?
To whom was it addressed?
What were the allegations it made about Ferdinand?

As I see it, your credibility is on the line here, Jaime.

Regards.
Mike Kirda

 

[dizzy]

around and around. I'm getting dizzy, Jaime, trying to catch all the hints and innuendos you haphazardly drop from an e-mail from someone who has an axe to grind.
Mike Kirda

Mike,
Now at least you know how I feel. :lol:

 

[MaryHM]

Ding Ding Ding!! And the prize goes to Jaime for the most ridiculous post in the Industry Forum (and believe me, that's quite an acheivement).

Good grief. Where to start???

You , Mike, Mary and Steve are saying that the collectors can sell their fish to ANY exporter they select, including the bad ones. Aren't you worried about the fact that those "other" exporters could mix your net caught fish with cyanide caught ?

We aren't here to control what every exporter does. We're here to try to get collectors to use nets instead of cyanide. Once they all do that, the cyanide problem (as far as the aquarium trade is concerned) is solved. If an exporter doesn't have the choice of buying cyanide caught, then there's no mixing problem. You say "mix your net caught fish". They aren't mixing my fish. I buy from exporters that refuse to mix. If you are trying to imply that fish caught with the netting I sent are my fish, then you really don't understand anywhere near what you think you do. I would rather see an exporter mix net caught and cyanide than have all cyanide. And let's face it, the big exporters are going to be forced to mix in the beginning. There's not enough supply currently.

You have been attacking MAC because they, as you have stated many times, are certifying exporters that sell net caught mixed with cyanide caught fish. Are you planning to do the same?

Your damn right we attack MAC for allowing their "certified" exporters to carry cyanide caught fish. When you label a company as MAC Certified, it sets up a certain idea in people's heads that all of the fish are net caught. And MAC doesn't do a bit of PR to let people know otherwise. In my mind, that is fraudulent. MAC is held to a higher standard because they are certifying the industry. It should mean something. For the second part, where in the world did any of us ever say anything about certifying any fish?? You've gone off the deep end there. The collective "we" are not about certifying. We're about getting net caught fish into the marketplace. You can take your MAC stickers and use them to try to hold your argument together- that's about all they're worth.

How can you be sure that your fish is cyanide free?

You can never be 100% absolutely positive. But you can do certain things to make sure you are as close to 100% sure as possible. You can buy from exporters who you know are dedicated to being cyanide free. You can witness their stocklists and see the availability difference between their's and the cyanide exporter's lists. You can see the mortality difference.

You are saying that your movement is willing to sell the fish coming from your "program" to the highest bidder, if that bidder is Lolita Ty (MAC Certified exporter), then so be it.

Please show me where someone in our "movement" said we were going to sell fish from our "program"??? We've said the collectors are allowed to sell the fish to whoever they want. That's not because we allow them to- that's because it's the way it is and has always been. Now, if you're talking about a collector union program, well that's made up of collectors and again they can sell to whomever they please.

Earlier - Ferdinand had the collectors diverting half their shipments to Imperial and Habitat, the other half I assume was diverted to RVS.

Ferdinand links collectors to exporters who are willing to pay more. He does not tell them who they have to sell to. I know this for a fact because I asked him if he would please make sure exporter ABC was getting a better variety and he told me he would ask the collectors, but that it wasn't up to him.

Later- When Marivi, from Habita, was considering to join the MAC certification program, Ferdinand got dissapointed with Marivi, but to that time Ferdinand, "STILL hadn't prevent any fish from flowing into her outfit". ****Today- An with Ferdinand "power and control of the situation" is possible that she'll start to have problems to get good quality, high value fish and variety. This because she is now a MAC certified exporter.

Marivi was MAC certified before Ferdinand resigned from MAC. So your statement is totally false and ignorant. Even after he left, he was still helping Marivi. I do know that since then they have had their differences. However, Marivi still gets fish. How is that possible since according to you Ferdinand controls who the collectors sell to?? Answer that one, Jaime. Don't run around making "it is possible that she'll start to have problems" statements. Either she's having problems getting the fish or not. Which is it? She's been trying to sell to me again, so I assume she has plenty of fish. In fact, she has a new business plan that would require her to have lots of fish. Where is she getting them?? The Philippine fish fairy??

Ferdinand priority number one is to make Imperial succed in the US. It doesn't matter what the cost will be.

Really? Ferdinand has never told me I must order from Imperial. He suggested them as another net caught dealer, but has told me repeatedly that we must try to support them all so that all of them succeed. Your statement is again false and ignorant. Your accusations just get stupider the more you type.

All of your recent statements reek of jealousy. We are able to do independently what your organization was unable to do. I'm sorry that you were so unsuccessful in your pursuits, but I don't think that gives you the right to try to tear down the good that is being done just because you aren't involved. You're either a part of the problem or a part of the solution. At this point you are a part of the problem.

 

[Jaime Baquero]

Mike,

I've taken my time to prepare this post because I do not want you to {yawn} and say " There's nothing on TV, honey.....I've seen this movie before"

Oh, no... I ALWAYS tune in for the "Jaime and Wayne's World" show.

So... lets put some substance here in.

You , Mike, Mary and Steve are saying that the collectors can sell their fish to ANY exporter they select, including the bad ones. Aren't you worried about the fact that those "other" exporters could mix your net caught fish with cyanide caught ?

"Your"??? I'm not in the fish business, Jaime. Let's get that fallacy out of the way first. My work has nothing to do with fish or water.

More on your question at the end...

You have been attacking MAC because they, as you have stated many times, are certifying exporters that sell net caught mixed with cyanide caught fish. Are you planning to do the same?

I have no such plans, Jaime. Again, I am not in the fish business.

How can you be sure that your fish is cyanide free?

Well, my fish are one yellow tang from Hawaii and one ORA tank-bred Pajama Cardinal. I don't think either one was caught with cyanide...

You are saying that your movement is willing to sell the fish coming from your "program" to the highest bidder, if that bidder is Lolita Ty (MAC Certified exporter), then so be it.

My movement? I started a movement? Huh. Forgive me if I have no idea what movement that is...

Mike, those are just words because the situation in the field is completely different as follows:

**** Earlier - Ferdinand had the collectors diverting half their shipments to Imperial and Habitat, the other half I assume was diverted to RVS.

****Later- When Marivi, from Habitat, was considering to join the MAC certification program, Ferdinand got dissapointed with Marivi, but to that time Ferdinand, "STILL hadn't prevent any fish from flowing into her outfit".

****Today- An with Ferdinand "power and control of the situation" is possible that she'll start to have problems to get good quality, high value fish and variety. This because she is now a MAC certified exporter.

Huh? This makes no sense. In the beginning, Ferdinand sat down with Marivi to create a target price for net-caught fish that was higher than what other exporters were paying. She was getting most all of the fish. She was certified and life was good. Then some of the PTFEA members got certified, using the fish tracking system she had spent two years working on. However, they didn't raise their prices, so she still got the bulk of the fish.

In the meantime, I understand others have slowly come around and started raising their prices to also get the net-caught fish. So the collectors began to spread around the wealth. Some of this started before Ferdie left MAC. It is no secret that Ferdinand did not like the fact that some of the PTFEA members got certified.

Ferdinand priority number one is to make Imperial succed in the US. It doesn't matter what the cost will be.

Ok, that one came WAY out of left field... There is a jump in logic here I do not think you can make... Did I just get abducted by aliens and lose nine minutes?

I find this very disturbing and sick? Do you guys support Ferdinand actions?!

Did I just get abducted again? Jaime, WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? The Jaime and Wayne's World show's plot is like a caliopy on a carousel. Going round and round, with lots of steam and heat and wild music, but are you going anywhere?

Are we there yet?

***********************************************************
Ok, Do I support Ferdinand's actions?

Well, yes, I support him giving nets to the net collectors.
I support him going to Aparri to give net trainings to the other 94 collectors using cyanide.
I support him training collectors in Bicol.
I support him introducing collectors to a number of exporters.
I support him in helping to negotiate the best price for these collectors that they can get for their fish.

Others have made claims that the PTFEA is a cyanide cartel and that almost all fish that they sell are caught with cyanide.

If we posit that this is true, you ask me if I am worried about the collectors selling fish to the cartel.

My answer to you is that, honestly, I would be conflicted. On the one hand, the 'cartel' should be shut down. But on the other, if a village has been turned from cyanide to nets, then this is one less place where cyanide is being used. This is a victory from which we can move on to the next village.

Reform without the cash and commitment will always proceed slowly. At this point, we are talking about reform a village at a time, Jaime. Once we hit all the villages, where will 'the cartel' be buying their fish from? Indonesia? No, they will still be PI fish, but caught with nets instead of cyanide. "The cartel" would become a net cartel instead of a cyanide one.

I recognize one thing: If I were to fight the PTFEA, I would lose. However, by working to convert their sources, we win in a way that is permanent and spectacular.

The real question is: How do we ignite the trainings? Where do we get the money? I know that this is to esoteric for hobbyists, and 'industry' will do little to support it: I think they will define things as self-interest, and not support anything that would benefit their competitors, even if it benefitted them equally. There will be too many companies that hold back, and not contribute, yet will expect to ride that wave when it comes in. Honestly, I think it has to come from government, grants, NGOs or possibly fund raisers.

I still have to question what you were trying to ask about Ferdie and where those questions came from. You mentioned earlier an e-mail that came in to you, from someone unnamed. This apparently was not addressed to you, but contained some juicy tidbits, of which you have been hinting around about. And by hinting around, I mean around and around and around and around and around. I'm getting dizzy, Jaime, trying to catch all the hints and innuendos you haphazardly drop from an e-mail from someone who has an axe to grind.

Why don't you just lay it out for us straight?

Who was the e-mail from?
To whom was it addressed?
What were the allegations it made about Ferdinand?

As I see it, your credibility is on the line here, Jaime.

Regards.
Mike Kirda

Mike , Mary and Robinson

Please sit down and fast your belts, I have the impression your boat is going to sink and my credibility is going to stay afloat.

This UPDATE CAME DIRECTLY FROM FERDINAND CRUZ > YOU< MIKE and ROBINSON HAVE A COPY OF IT. IT WAS ADDRESSED TO YOU. Mary, if I get your e-mail address I can confirm or exclude you from it.

So Mike, please DO NOT make readers think that you are or were not AWARE of it. You, all knew about it. I have the evidence in front of me.

Once again, Do you SUPPORT these disturbing and sick actions of Ferdinand Cruz?

Now, I hope the readers understand why I said that the actions of these group are not sincere. I don't know what other words I can use. Greshman, can you give me a hand with it?

Jaime

 

[MaryHM]

Jaime,

Forward the email to me. My normal email is [email protected] but please forward to [email protected] because my other account is currently having problems.

 

[mkirda]

This UPDATE CAME DIRECTLY FROM FERDINAND CRUZ > YOU< MIKE and ROBINSON HAVE A COPY OF IT. IT WAS ADDRESSED TO YOU.

An e-mail from Ferdie to me is your smoking gun?

Are you talking about e-mails Ferdie sent on April 9 and April 17th, before and after the meeting with MAC? These are the only two I can find where Imperial is even mentioned.

Going back and reading them now... My god, a lot has changed.

Ok, here is the big news Jaime is trying to show:
After Ferdie left MAC, he minimized his contacts with the MAC certified exporters. Instead, he worked with a couple others, Imperial and RVS being two of them. He is trying very hard to convert them to entirely net-caught fish. He accepted some money from them in order to buy the barrier netting material available there, as well as sinkers and floats, etc., then used the nets for training and passed them out to the collectors afterwards.
Imperial offered these collectors a better price for their fish so that they would get the bulk of them. Ferdie also introduced them to other exporters, but the collectors choose whom to sell to. They sell to the highest bidder, and back in April, this was Imperial.

Jaime's smoking gun is the supply and demand curve. Oh, boy!

Regards.
Mike Kirda

 

[clarionreef]

So sad,
If theres anything smokin its coming from you Chico.

Kylen, Canadians...help me understand him. You all got potent weed up there this time a year? Whats it called.
Jaime here has gotten into some and can't put it down.
Peter, look what happens when you share e-mails with Jaime. Anyone who would betray the cause of the coral reefs would not hesitate to betray old friends.
Jaime. Is there anyone in the reform arena you have not now offended? And in your futile and often humorous attempts to do a hatchet job have you not left yourself all alone?
It would appear that even Naesco has disassociated himself from you and your "gossiping".
Folks...Remember when you all pulled me off of this silly, bitter character and told us to stop bickering and get on the same page...You must have thought he was sincere at the time. So...out of respect for the coalition of forward thinkers on this stuff...I did.
However, as you can see, he has a seperate and a private agenda.
#1...he is vindictive and bitter over his failures with an equally insincere and ineffectual group called Haribon.
#2...After bequeathing OVI to him by the late Dr. McAllister, he has run it into the ground and ruined it. Websites are deleted everywhere.
#3...he is trolling for respect, a job or a hug from someone. He was on better terms with the cyanide trade than with reformers and had hoped for some play from MAC. After this, they won't even want him.
Jaime...for your own sake. Stop the withch hunt against all the logical allies and go away. I have held off on you out of respect for others wishes. But since you have betrayed them all, I have no more problem with taking you to the woodshed and exposing more of your complicity with fraud and failure in all your Philippine pursuits.
But then again, to what end? You are not a player, not a leader, not a trainer and not relevant except for the sour grapes we are daily treated to.
You couldn't carry my dive bag Chico, nor Ferdies. Go away.
Sincerely, Steve
former Haribon field leader
& IMA Canada field director

 

[mkirda]

Jaime,

To be honest, I don't think Steve should have posted the last message.
I don't control Steve, as you can tell. Ferdie cannot control Steve either.

I am curious though why you think that Ferdie can control a group of collectors? How exactly would he do this?

Before you argued that economic incentives were needed to get the net collectors to keep from back-sliding.

Yet when this situation is set up and is running, you immediately claim that Ferdie is out to control the market?

How exactly can this be?

Is this the "disturbing and sick actions of Ferdinand Cruz"?

Or is it the fact that Ferdie was campaigning other exporters outside the PTFEA to start accepting net-caught fish, to pay more for them, and to start to switch entirely over to net-caught? You begrudge him this? You begrudge him wanting another net-caught exporter to succeed? Are these the "disturbing and sick actions of Ferdinand Cruz"?

You really glossed over my answers to your questions. Did I address them adequately? I am fairly surprised you had no comments.

Regards.
Mike Kirda

 

[clarionreef]

People,
On August 19th...[ scroll back a bit] Jaime admitted what should explain a lot.
And I quote.
"I found that in my business, I can make money when I do not buy fish."
And this guy is going to tell us what we should do?
Its like the Pope on Birth control.
He don't play the game...he don't make the rules.
Be done with this guy...
Steve

 

[Jaime Baquero]

People,
On August 19th...[ scroll back a bit] Jaime admitted what should explain a lot.
And I quote.
"I found that in my business, I can make money when I do not buy fish."
And this guy is going to tell us what we should do?
Its like the Pope on Birth control.
He don't play the game...he don't make the rules.
Be done with this guy...
Steve

Guy,

Yes, I can make money when I do not buy fish. Is simple, if a customer wants to get a fish, I go with him or her to the store , he/she select the fish, if healthy he/she pays for it. After that I do take care of the fish, the customer is the one taking the risk of having mortality.

Greshman, You have another customer .

John Tullock, founder of AMDA must feel very bad knowing that the president of the organization he helped to develop is "involved"in such a kind of actions.

Hey guy, best thing you have to do know is to resign and now, PRONTO Y RAPIDITO COMPADRE, before your next AMDA's BOD meeting. You are cooked and well done.


Little Jaime.

 

[Jaime Baquero]

Jaime,

Forward the email to me. My normal email is [email protected] but please forward to [email protected] because my other account is currently having problems.

Mary, No need, you got it already.

 

[clarionreef]

Jaime,
Since you are hardly in the trade one cannot expect you to understand the things that professionals do.
Handling fish and thousands of them a week is about the only way to get it down and not be a verde pendejo quien no sabe nada de lo que habla.
Ambientalistas falsas hacen bastante dano con su mal manejo de estos problemas. Usted no tienen ni credibilidad, ni groupo, ni amigos en este ya. Renunciarle...pero de que? Ya ruinastes el obra de Don.
Cuando hacistes un Malinche a Peter, perdistes su ultima amigo. Que trieste. Ni MAC tienen uso por una persona asi de amarga en su manera personal.
Verdad. Que trieste un chico eres.
Hasta la vista en MACNA
Sinceremente, Esteban