LA Cherry Picker Wanted.

[clarionreef]

Whiny???
Whiny???
Has he impugned anyones masculine value by that remark?
No one working wet and physical less then 70 hours a week better call me that....I'll "bit*#-slap him."
Steve

 

[Anonymous]

Yet you don't consider Walmart as being whiny when they demand that they be given 90 day terms on all purchase orders.

:lol:

That just sounds like the "Golden Rule" to me. (And you know that if you were a corporate pissant licking your masters boots for approval you'd recommend the same practice in hopes he'd throw you a bone..)

So welcome to the global, electronic economy! :wink:

 

[JennM]

How many mom and pops can AFFORD to pay a jobber? For what... a RACE to the best stuff? That's not a guarantee of anything better, after all the big store's cherry picker will probably get first dibs so it doesn't change the order on the food chain all that much, does it? And it costs Ma and Pa even more.

"I am a senior buyer for manufacturers" TRANSLATION: I work for a medium or large company with resources.

I am a Mom and Pop retailer - where Mom (me) works it 40 hours a day, 9 days a week, and Pop works a "real" job to pay the mortgage and he works in the store to save Mom from a nervous breakdown... we hardly have the resources to pay ourselves, let alone a jobber. Besides retailers as a group already get reamed publically on the boards for actually charging retail prices, while cherry pickers run side-businesses out of their garages - who do you think will have to pay for the cherry picker? The consumer? Not if we want to stay competitive in the local market. I'm giving til it hurts already thanks.

Nope, I get "cherry" stuff from wholesalers who treat all their customers fairly and equally - first come, first served. S/He who faxes in the stock list first, with the earliest ship date, gets the best picks.

Grateful for that.

Jenn

 

[clarionreef]

Attn real retailers;
We are evolving into a cherrypicker proof outfit and proud of it.
Most whiny cherry pickers, service guys and "hobbyists" w/ a business liscense for a donut shop....have been kicked out and learn not to come back.
Once you get rid of a few dozen of em...the word spreads. Soon there is little worry about losing all the cherry stuff to 'locals' and wannabies.
Having done this...there now is the full variety to offer the bonafide dealers. Of course all the cherry stuff gets sold anyway so why frontload it to the worst customers? The "cherry-picker protection plan" sells them all to the real customers who also take firefish, clowns, wrasses, gobies and the rest that make the trade wheels turn.
The more we kick out, the better business becomes. I don't understand how money grubbing fellow wholesalers think they make more money by selling out their clientele and selling to his own customers.
Denying the 200 dollar sale to a phoney enables the 600 dollar one to real dealers and supports such dealers. Its so penny wise and pound foolish to compete with your own customers. What are they? Enemies or something?
I got in a hundrerd and fifty big cleaner shrimp this week and I'll be damned if I let a hobbyist buying club or a service guy grab the biggest of the bunch and stop at one box. They are all going to be spread out awarded to the best and the most loyal customers. How is this not intelligent business practice?
Steve
AMDA pres.

 

[dizzy]

Look WalMart gets terms and great pricing because they buy a lot and use muscle. PetCo does the same thing to their suppliers. The group with the ability to use muscle in the marine fish industry is the brick and mortar retailers (and the good doctors). Brick and mortars can come together in AMDA and out muscle the etailers with sheer purchasing power. It just makes good business sense for us to do this. United we stand, divided we fall.
Mitch

PS
Steve's stocklist of netcaught fish is getting more impressive all the time.

 

[naesco]

Take a lok at CITES quotas, thats where the cherry issue really heats up. Theres only so many brightly colorred corals available to all, whether you sell etail, retail, wholesale, tranship, export, import or collect coral. If you want flower pots/goniapora, I think your in luck, they are by far the one with the largest quotas, BY FAR.

Surely, no one on this board would ever consider carrying flower pots unless they were a special order from a university or a researcher.

 

[Anonymous]

Look WalMart gets terms and great pricing because they buy a lot and use muscle. PetCo does the same thing to their suppliers. The group with the ability to use muscle in the marine fish industry is the brick and mortar retailers (and the good doctors). Brick and mortars can come together in AMDA and out muscle the etailers with sheer purchasing power. It just makes good business sense for us to do this. United we stand, divided we fall.
Mitch

PS
Steve's stocklist of netcaught fish is getting more impressive all the time.

Bingo.

Surely, no one on this board would ever consider carrying flower pots unless they were a special order from a university or a researcher.

It's ironic, a year and a half ago when we first started making serious orders, we got sent a couple of flowerpots as filler from a comapny before I set up a "do not send list" with them. We have been talking people out of buying them for almost two years now.

 

[naesco]

Good for you Rover.
If stores followed a policy of refusing to accept fill-ins like gonies and Moorish Idols and talked hobbyists out of them, wholesalers wouldnt bring them in either.

 

[JennM]

Surely, no one on this board would ever consider carrying flower pots unless they were a special order from a university or a researcher.

Hahahahaha what colour is your sky, Wayne? MOST stores and wholesalers carry them...I don't but I'm clearly a minority. I don't carry Dendronepthya or Cataphyllia either, but that's just me.

Of course if nobody bought them, the wholesalers would be stuck with 'em.

Jenn

 

[naesco]

Surely, no one on this board would ever consider carrying flower pots unless they were a special order from a university or a researcher.

Hahahahaha what colour is your sky, Wayne? MOST stores and wholesalers carry them...I don't but I'm clearly a minority. I don't carry Dendronepthya or Cataphyllia either, but that's just me.

Of course if nobody bought them, the wholesalers would be stuck with 'em.

Jenn

I have not seen any at the Vancouver stores I visit. It is very very rare to see Moorish Idols anymore or dendros either.
I and others make it a point to tell the LFS employees about just how impossible they are to keep. They now tell the reefers with the result that they die in the LFS tanks.
It is not enough to simply not buy them. You have to get the message out through your staff to the reefers that those who deal in them are low lifes; that they will die.

Refuse to deal with wholesalers that carry them and tell them why.

The sky is blue. It always is up here.

 

[MaryHM]

Gee Wayne, in one thread you tell people to support me and I should be at the top of their list. In another you tell people to refuse to deal with me. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.....

 

[naesco]

Gee Wayne, in one thread you tell people to support me and I should be at the top of their list. In another you tell people to refuse to deal with me. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.....

Mary carries Moorish Idols and dendros!
Tell me it isn't true!
The Calgary Flames just defested the San Jose Sharks 3-naught!
Why?, Mary Why?

 

[naesco]

Correct me if I am wrong but your site shows flowerpots for sale.

Mary, for God sakes why would you sell flowerpots when you know they are impossible to keep? :evil:
What could possible justify the sale of these creatures?
I doubt there is one poster on this board (maybe Kalk) that supports the sale of these creatures be they LFS owner or hobbyist.

 

[Anonymous]

Look WalMart gets terms and great pricing because they buy a lot and use muscle. PetCo does the same thing to their suppliers. The group with the ability to use muscle in the marine fish industry is the brick and mortar retailers (and the good doctors). Brick and mortars can come together in AMDA and out muscle the etailers with sheer purchasing power. It just makes good business sense for us to do this. United we stand, divided we fall.
Mitch

PS
Steve's stocklist of netcaught fish is getting more impressive all the time.

Outstanding!

So when are some of you B&M shops who are eligible for these gems going to get off your butts and make these available online for us cherry-picking hobbyists who don't happen to have the luxury of hopping on the personal jet and flying to your shop?

Oh wait! - Now you're e-tail, you're screwed, nevermind... :wink:

 

[Kalkbreath]

Correct me if I am wrong but your site shows flowerpots for sale.

Mary, for God sakes why would you sell flowerpots when you know they are impossible to keep? :evil:
What could possible justify the sale of these creatures?
I doubt there is one poster on this board (maybe Kalk) that supports the sale of these creatures be they LFS owner or hobbyist.

Correct me if I am wrong but your site shows flowerpots for sale.

Mary, for God sakes why would you sell flowerpots when you know they are impossible to keep? :evil:
What could possible justify the sale of these creatures?
I doubt there is one poster on this board (maybe Kalk) that supports the sale of these creatures be they LFS owner or hobbyist.

Actually there are quite a few hobbyists that have kept them long term{both Gonies and Gills} ..........Why are some able to ? We will never find out if nobody tries. As far as any effect on the reefs.........Both of these creatures are some of the most abundant species. Our collection has very little effect. Thats why CITES permits our industry to collect so many. Its like the Gorgonians in the keys. .........lets pretend for a moment that gorgonians have a poor survival rate in captivity. So what , there are billions per square mile . Even the Fla collection guidelines state that commercial collectors can collect as many as they wish......gorgonians are the only animal with zero collection limits . As for what is "Right" to collect and what is Not........**** , a soap grouper Can be our prisoner because that species can survive our torture? What sense does that make? Whether or not a species type should be collected must be based solely on the effects collection might have on the stability of that species and its habitat. Any attempts to guage what deserves to be collected is silly. Nothing Deserves to be collected. No fish deserves to be my pet or my dinner ........period. As for what I sell , I maybe sell five of each per year. {out of thousands of animals} I dont sell flower pots or Morish idols because they are a poor product and not a wise purchase. The fact that they some how fall into the "not right to collect" catagory suggests that certain other animals Are" right to collect"?

 

[JennM]

OH MY GOD - put a mark on the wall... I AGREE WITH KALK! (is the sky falling???)

He's right... some do have success. Nobody could keep Acropora in the 80s but that didn't stop people from learning and trying, and now the stuff is a weed in many tanks.

I don't carry them for the same reasons Kalk doesn't - I want my customers to succeed. If somebody wants one, and they have researched and are willing to take the knowledge that's out there and try to provide a healthy environment, then I'll bring one in - ditto with Mandarins. I've sold probably half a dozen Mandarins since I've been open, and they were to hobbyists with mature tanks who did the research and placed the order.

Once an animal leaves the ocean, it's "dead"... whether it dies a day later, a week later or a decade later - once it lands in an aquarium or on a plate.

USL should not be based on potential longevity (clowns and damsels can die just as quickly at the hands of a novice), but on sustainable collection and size potential.

Jenn

 

[MaryHM]

Well good grief, Wayne. You told Jenn earlier that you look at my lists often. If you did, you'd know. Get your stories straight.

 

[dizzy]

So when are some of you B&M shops who are eligible for these gems going to get off your butts and make these available online for us cherry-picking hobbyists who don't happen to have the luxury of hopping on the personal jet and flying to your shop?
Oh wait! - Now you're e-tail, you're screwed, nevermind... :wink:

Norm,
I don't get you. You live near an AMDA member, no? MarkSS can buy from Steve any time he chooses. He is also MAC certified, which we are told is even better than netcaught. Instead of supporting a great retail store in your area you seem intent on building a list that is designed to destroy brick and mortars. With the great support of loyal customers like you, what chance does an AMDA or MAC store have? :roll: This is exactly the reason retailers should join AMDA.

 

[clarionreef]

Don't worry Mitch,
This guys going nowhere slow. He mimicked RDO in building his discussion forum where he basically discusses things with himself...since he is about the only contributor. Hes come over here to try and steal away some readers to join him.
This is however an interesting trend. Anyone w/ a computer can now be a marinelife search engine, a marinelife dealer AND a webmaster. All without leaving the house!
The site should be called...
"Cherry Picking,Cheap-ass, Anti-social, Intellectual lightweight, Stab your retailer in the back.com... "
What the trade needs is a big flea dip to get rid of all the parasites who cheapen it, threaten it and ruin its chances for unity and reform...and all with the little bit of knowledge they learned from a click of a mouse.
My but a hint of knowledge is dangerous these days.
Steve

 

[naesco]

Well good grief, Wayne. You told Jenn earlier that you look at my lists often. If you did, you'd know. Get your stories straight.

Mary
So why are you dealing in gonies today when you were dead set against dealing in critters that had no hope in hobbyist tanks?

Jenn
No, the Unsuitable Species List (USL) deals with fish and corals that have no hope of success in hobbyists tanks. Most of them were obligate feeders.
Even Mary agrees with this definition. At least she did in the past.