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MARINE AQUARIUM COUNCIL

International Certification for the Quality and Sustainability
of Marine Aquarium Organisms ... from Reef to Retail


MAC News 3rd Quarter 2003


Director's Note

From The Hague to Bali, companies and communities are engaging in the global efforts of Marine Aquarium Council (MAC) Certification to ensure that the marine ornamentals trade is sustainable and responsible. In this issue of MAC News, you'll read about the most recent importers and retailers to become MAC Certified, ongoing efforts in collection areas in the Pacific to increase the quantity and diversity of MAC Certified organisms available, and the latest MAC Certification education and outreach efforts.

Industry participation in MAC Certification is growing steadily. There are now 20 MAC Certified operations, including two collection areas, two collectors associations and four exporters in the Philippines; four importers and six retailers in North America; and two importers in Europe. The only official list of MAC Certified entities is on the MAC website at http://aquariumcouncil.org/subpage.asp?page=130&section=3 .

Public commitments to seek to become MAC Certified have now been made by 95 companies in 18 countries, including 40 in the United States; 20 in the Philippines; 9 in Indonesia; 5 in Fiji; 3 each in Australia and UK; 2 each in France, Germany and Solomon Islands; and 1 each in Bahrain, Belau, Brazil, Canada, Israel, The Netherlands, Norway, Spain and Taiwan. These companies are listed on the MAC website at http://aquariumcouncil.org/subpage.asp?page=167&section=3.

EUROPE AND NORTH AMERICA: MAC Certified Suppliers Now in Europe and US East Coast

Importer Sierviskwekerij Waterweelde in The Netherlands is the first company in Europe to achieve MAC Certification. This 30-year-old family company is one of the world's largest marine ornamentals' import-export companies and one of the largest aquatic retail outlets in Europe. It reached the finals in the Enterprise of the Year Award 2003 for The Hague region.

'We have always been an avid supporter of MAC and its objectives,' notes owner Danny Winkels. 'It reflects our particularly high investment in quarantine facilities, prophylactic research and animal husbandry. Our name is associated with these high standards and our clients expect nothing less.'

The second company in Europe and the first in the United Kingdom to become MAC Certified is Tropical Marine Centre. TMC is the UK's largest wholesale supplier of marine aquarium animals. It also operates one of the largest commercial clownfish hatcheries.

In North America, importer Segrest Farms in Florida achieved MAC Certification. Segrest has long been engaged in MAC efforts and was active on the Standards Advisory Group. Absolutely Fish in New Jersey, is the first retailer on the East Coast to achieve MAC Certification. It also recently earned the 2003 award for Best Retail Store in North America from Pet Product News. A second East Coast retailer, Venice Pet Center in Florida, also became MAC Certified in the past quarter.

The contact information for these and other MAC Certified companies are found on the only official list of MAC Certified organizations, located on the MAC website at http://aquariumcouncil.org/subpage.asp?page=130&section=3.

MAC Accredited certifiers SGS Product and Process Certification (The Netherlands), Shizen Megumi Pacific Certification Services Ltd. (Canada) and IMS International (UK) undertook these recent certifications. Contact details for all MAC Accredited certifiers are on the MAC website at http://wwwaquariumcouncil.org/subpage.asp?page=125.

PHILIPPINES: US Agency for International Development (USAID) Supports MAC Certification

USAID has recently approved a major Global Development Alliance grant for 'Transforming the Marine Aquarium Trade (TMAT)' in the Philippines. The goal of the three-year program is to build a critical mass of MAC Certified collectors and collection areas in the Philippines. TMAT brings together significant new collaboration, resources and partnerships to help mainstream MAC Certification by 1) ensuring collectors have the information and training to become MAC Certified; 2) ensuring community stakeholders are able to develop and implement MAC Certified ecosystem management for collection areas; and 3) ensuring MAC and its partners have the capacity to develop, coordinate and implement the TMAT program. More information will be reported on this project in future issues of the MAC News.

In the southern Philippines, the Growth with Equity in Mindanao (GEM 2) Program of USAID is supporting MAC efforts to work with local partners to identify and assess collection areas and collector groups in the Mindanao provinces of Zamboanga, Basilan, Tawi-Tawi and Jolo to ensure the aquarium trade is sustainable. The target beneficiaries are former secessionist combatants who have laid down their arms and are now participating in USAID-supported programs for sustainable livelihoods based on local coastal resources. The project was launched in August in Zamboanga City with MAC partners Reef Check and the Mindanao State University (MSU) Marine Research Development Foundation and will seek to expand to include collectors training and collection area certification development.

MAC and Certified Companies Collaborate with Hobbyist Magazines

MAC, Freshwater and Marine Aquarium (FAMA) magazine and the MAC North America Certified Industry Group (CIG) are collaborating to promote MAC Certified marine ornamentals. The first full page ad developed together appears in the October issue of FAMA and will run for one year. The CIG is comprised of MAC Certified importers and retailers in the United States and Canada, which now numbers 10. MAC is also working in close partnership with Tropical Fish Hobbyist (TFH) magazine, which will soon be running a regular MAC column focused on global conservation and the marine ornamentals trade. TFH also sponsored Mike Paletta, keynote speaker at the MAC co-hosted Marine Aquarium Hobbyist Day at the New York Aquarium in September, and will have an article on MAC reef conservation work in the Indo-Pacific in a supplement for an upcoming issue of TFH.

Global Marine Aquarium Database Summary Report Available; UN Environment Programme Supports Sustainable Marine Aquarium Trade

The United Nations Environment Programme's World Conservation Monitoring Centre (UNEP-WCMC) launched the first ever detailed global estimate of the state of the marine aquarium trade in its report 'From Ocean to Aquarium: The Global Trade in Marine Ornamentals.' The report is made possible by the data provided by exporters and importers from around the world who are working with MAC and WCMC to ensure accurate information on the trade is available.

In the UNEP press release, UNEP Executive Director Klaus Toepfer states, 'Collecting tropical fish brings pleasure to millions. It also fuels an important, and mostly legitimate, industry.' He highlights the fact that the global trade in marine species has great potential as a source of desperately needed income for local fishing communities.

UNEP-WCMC Director Mark Collins reinforces this statement, noting: 'If managed properly, the aquarium industry could support long-term conservation and sustainable use of coral reefs in regions where other options for generating revenue are limited.'

WCMC Marine Programme Director (and report co-author) Ed Green adds, 'We encourage responsible traders to sign up to the MAC Certification scheme and for the public to only buy from reputable dealers.'

The report is available on line at http://www.unep-wcmc.org/resources/publications/WCMC_Aquarium.pdf.

INDONESIA: Indonesia Government and MAC Sign MOU; CAMP Developments Proceed in Bali

The Indonesian Ministry of Marine Affairs and Fisheries signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) with MAC on July 24, 2003, formalizing the strong government support for MAC's work in Indonesia. Government representatives at the signing ceremony included the Ministry's Director of Small Islands, Director of Marine National Parks and Conservation, Director of Spatial Planning and Director General of Coasts and Small Islands. MAC's Indonesia Director Gayatri Reksodihardjo-Lilley and Executive Director Paul Holthus were also in attendance.

At the field level, progress towards MAC Certification continues in North Bali where the Tejakula sub-district government convened a full-day meeting of local fishermen, resort owners, community leaders and local government officials to introduce and discuss the MAC Collection Area Management Plan (CAMP) concept. At the Bali Province level, MAC gave a presentation to stakeholders, including the government's Head of Fisheries, Bali exporters, local Balinese non-government organizations and fisheries officers from all over Bali on MAC Certification. Two Bali-based exporters subsequently signed statements of commitment to become MAC Certified.

PACIFIC ISLANDS: MAC Partnerships Increase as Regional Office Relocates to Fiji and Adds New Staff

The Canada-South Pacific Ocean Development (C-SPOD) Program has taken an active role in supporting the development of MAC Certification in the Pacific through the South Pacific Forum Secretariat's project on Marine Ornamentals Certification. Through the project MAC has raised awareness and interest in MAC Certification and worked with the industry, governments and collector communities on aquarium trade sustainability and coral reef resource management. The region is poised for its first MAC Certification by the end of this year in Fiji.

The Private Sector Division of the Forum Secretariat strengthened its partnership with MAC and support for MAC Certification in the Pacific Island countries with the appointment of the new Private Sector Advisor Asif Chida and the Private Sector Officer Joshua Mael.

As part of improving MAC's efforts in the region, the MAC Pacific Islands office has relocated from the Solomon Islands to Fiji. The new location is at 298 Princess Rd (Bottom Flat), Tamavua, Suva, Fiji Islands, Ph: (679) 3371779; Fax: (679) 3371773. The MAC Pacific Office (MAC-PAC) includes five staff members (many of whom are supported by the EC-funded project on Sustainable Management of the Marine Aquarium Trade (reported on in MAC News 2nd Quarter 2003: http://macweb.inets.com/docs/library/19/MACNEWS2ndQtr2003_final.PDF ). They include Pacific Regional Manager Michelle Lam, Regional Aquarium Fish Officer Cherie Morris, Community Development Officer Jeff Kinch, Resource Management Officer Gregory Bennett and Program Support Officer Telu Baleivanualala. Information on the background, role and responsibilities of the expanded MAC Pacific staff will be available on the MAC website in the near future at http://aquariumcouncil.org/subpage.asp?page=71&section=12.

MAC Standards and Accreditation Meet International Code of Practices

To ensure that its international standards and certification programs are robust, transparent and comply with internationally accepted codes of practice for conformity assessment and trade, MAC is a member of the International Social and Environmental Accreditation and Labeling (ISEAL) Alliance. Through this global association of certification organizations MAC complies with the ISEAL Code of Practices for Social and Environmental Standards Setting and Certifier Accreditation and participates in the ISEAL Peer Review Audit Program. ISEAL is an international organization based in Bonn, Germany. Further information on ISEAL can be found on the website at http://www.isealalliance.org/

MAC Certification Cited in Animal Welfare Report to UK Parliament

The June 2003 Report on the Welfare of Non-domesticated Animals Kept for Companionship, prepared by the UK Companion Animal Welfare Council for the United Kingdom parliament, recommends 'the development of a quality assurance scheme which certifies that animals for sale in pet shops and at other outlets are and have been cared for to specific standards. Such certification would be granted only where the seller could demonstrate that appropriate and auditable welfare and environmental standards had been met from the original sourcing of the animal through to the point of sale.' The recommendation refers to MAC Certification and notes that 'such schemes appear to offer a positive means to promote welfare standards. In addition, they provide mechanisms by which standards can be continually upgraded to keep abreast of developments in our understanding of animals' needs.'

MAC Education and Outreach Efforts

Hobbyist Event Helps Introduce MAC to New York Region. On Sept. 13, 2003, MAC co-hosted the Marine Aquarium Hobbyist Day at the New York Aquarium. The event focused on responsible aquarium keeping and featured a series of presentations and exhibits. The keynote address by Mike Paletta on propagating SPS Corals was sponsored by Tropical Fish Hobbyist (TFH) magazine. Other speakers included John Brandt of the Marine Aquarium Societies of North America on the aquarium fish industry in the Philippines; Paul Loiselle of the New York Aquarium on responsible aquarium fish keeping; Rick Preuss of Preuss Animal House and Mark Schreffler of The Reef Shop on conservation through education; and Joe Yaiullo of Atlantis Marine World on coral biology and its effect on aquarium husbandry. Absolutely Fish, Aquatic Creations, Brooklyn Zoo & Aquarium, the Brooklyn Aquarium Society, TFH and MAC provided exhibits, and Marineland and Seachem Laboratories generously donated door prizes. TFH, Freshwater and Marine Aquarium magazine, Reef Central, the Brooklyn Aquarium Society and other local aquarium societies spread the word about the event.

Marine Educators Welcome MAC at US Conference. MAC Certified retailers Rick Preuss of Preuss Animal House and Mark Schreffler of The Reef Shop joined MAC Communications Director Sylvia Spalding in delivering a well-received presentation on MAC Certification at the National Marine Educators Association annual conference in Wilmington, North Carolina, in July. Educators visited the MAC exhibit booth to discuss marine aquarium tanks as an educational tool in their classrooms and ways to promote MAC Certification to their local retail shops.

Support for MAC Voiced at MACNA. In the opening plenary for the 2003 Marine Aquarium Conference of North America (MACNA), Martin Moe delivered a powerful message of support for MAC Certification, calling for those in the hobby and industry to 'get behind' MAC. David Vosseler, MAC Americas and the Pacific Director, attended the September event, at which the Louisville Marine Aquarium Society provided MAC with a breakout session room and booth space. Frank discussions were held on MAC efforts in a number of different forums including the two open forums hosted by the American Marinelife Dealers Associations (AMDA). The format of these two well-attended forums allowed for forthright and wide-ranging discussions covering all aspects of the industry including the present role and future plans for AMDA and MAC.

MAC Public Education Campaign for Responsible Aquarium Keeping Goes Global. Knowing that the release of the Disney-Pixar animated film Finding Nemo in the United States created great media interest in the marine aquarium industry and hobby, MAC continued its responsible aquarium keeping public education campaign as the film opened in Australia in August. MAC also worked with retailer Joyhub Co. Ltd. to translate into Chinese the educational card for beginning marine aquarists that MAC developed for the US release of the film. The Taiwanese company, which has publicly committed to becoming MAC Certified, distributed about a thousand copies of the translated card at a Taipei trade show. The card was well received and helped introduce MAC to the Asia market. MAC public education outreach efforts will continue in Europe and Japan as the film is released for public viewing in these locations October through December. In conjunction with the UK premiere of Finding Nemo on Sept. 28, UNEP-WCMC and MAC released a joint press release: http://www.unep-wcmc.org/information_services/publications/oceanaquarium/finding_nemo.pdf on Sept. 30, which - along with a UNEP press release http://www.unep-wcmc.org/information_services/publications/oceanaquarium/Aquarium_NR.pdf on the aquarium trade the same day - has generated significant print, radio and TV media interest in the UK, France, Italy, Spain, Norway, the US and elsewhere, some of which is noted in the MAC in the News section below.

MAC Works to Partner with US Retailers. Retailers are one of the best means for reaching marine aquarists to raise awareness them about issues in the marine aquarium trade and the role of MAC Certification. To this effect, MAC is working to form closer partnerships with interested retail shops. In July, we distributed an info packet on MAC Certification to nearly 3,000 US aquarium retail shops, resulting in numerous inquiries on MAC Certification and several signed statements of commitment to become MAC Certified. This project was funded in part by the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation. Retailer information packets are available on request to [email protected].

MAC Certified Collection Areas Discussed at the World Parks Congress. MAC was invited to participate in the 5th World Parks Congress in Durban, South Africa, Sept. 8 to 17. More than 2,500 participants from 170 countries participated in this once-a-decade event that is the major global forum on protected areas. MAC Asia Director Rezal Kusumaatmadja delivered the presentation 'Trade-Based Incentives for Establishing Management Areas and No-Take Zones' in a session on 'Benefits of MPA Networks for Fisheries and Endangered Species: Experiences and Innovation in Scaling Up to Build Networks.'

Upcoming Events

Oct. 10-12, 2003: 37th Annual Pet Industry Christmas Trade Show, Chicago, Illinois, USA

Oct. 30-Nov. 2, 2003: Aquarama 2003 Conference. Singapore. http://www.aquarama.com.sg/

March 1-5, 2004: Marine Ornamentals '04/Aquaculture 2004, Honolulu, Hawaii, USA. http://www.hawaiiaquaculture.org/marineornamentals04.html

MAC in the News

'Aquaria 'risk to tropical fish',' by Alex Kirby. BBC News. Sept. 30, 2003. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3151384.stm

'Finding too many Nemos,' by Joan Lowy. Scripps Howard News Service. Sept. 30, 2003. http://www.knoxstudio.com/shns/story.cfm?pk=AQUARIUMFISH-09-30-03&cat=II

'Fish hobbyists warned not to flush pets,' by Joseph B. Verrengia. Salon.com News. Sept. 30, 2003. http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2003/09/30/fish_flush/print.html [Also appeared in Seattle Post Intelligencer and Kansas City Star, USA]

'From Cauliflower Corals to Clown Fish.' DiveNews.Com. Sept. 30, 2003. http://www.divenews.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2007

'Losing Nemo: The hunt for tropical fish is hurting their habitat, UN report finds,' by Dan Vergano. USA Today. Sept. 30, 2003.

'Tropical fish trade under spotlight as sales boom.' Reuters News. Sept. 30, 2003. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20031001/sc_nm/environment_fish_dc_3

'Aquarium store a leader in industry,' by Amanda Gerut. Herald News (New Jersey, USA). Sept. 20, 2003. [Also appeared as 'Fish retailer getting certification from Marine Aquarium Council,' in the South Passaic edition.]

'BC: First Canadian Wholesaler MAC Certified 09/08/03.' AQUANEWS. Sept. 8, 2003. http://www.vanaqua.org/aquanews/

'Hobbyist swap fish tales at conference: Marine enthusiasts meet in Clarksville for annual gathering,' by Christopher Hall. The Courier Journal (Louisville, Kentucky, USA). Sept. 8, 2003.

'Fish-friendly ways earns award,' by Philip Raphael. The Richmond Review (Canada). Sept. 6, 2003.

'Canadian First in Reef Fish Conservation.' EarthVision Environmental News. Sept. 3, 2003. http://www.earthvision.net/ColdFusion/News_Page1.cfm?NewsID=25539&start=1

'Marine Aquarium Council (MAC) Event at the NY Aquarium to Promote Tropical Fish Certification,' by Sylvia Spalding. Aquatica: The Journal of the Brooklyn Aquarium Society (New York). Vol. 17(4): 17.

'Winds of Change in the Marine Aquarium Industry: Observations on the Marine Aquarium Council Certification Program in the Philippines,' by John Brandt. Freshwater and Marine Aquarium. September 2003. pp 2-6. [Also appeared in Marine Scene: A Quarterly Publication of the Marine Aquarium Societies of North America. Vol. 12(3): 4-7.]

Certification de la Chaine Aquariophile. http://www.reefkeepers.net/Mac/CertificationMAC.html [In French]

Normaliser la chaîne de distribution aquariophile globale pour protéger l'environnement, les animaux et les intérêts de tous. http://mars.reefkeepers.net/Articles/MAC/CertificationMAC.html[In French]

La Certification MAC. http://www.reef-guardian.com/modules.php?name=temp [In French]

'Jean-Michel Cousteau's Ocean Futures Society and Disney/Pixar Team Up to Protect Reefs.' July 17, 2003. http://www.oceanfutures.org/press/2003/pr_07_17_03.asp

'Defending Nemo,' by Beth Jones. Roanoke Times (Virginia, USA). July 15, 2003.

'Memo to Kids: Don't Flush Your Fish.' New Castle News (Penn., USA). July 12, 2003.

'Kids Are Flushing Fish after Seeing 'Nemo.'' Daily Gazette (New York, USA). July 3, 2003.

News Brief. Evansville Courier and Press (Indiana, USA). July 1, 2003.

'Reef Keeping: It's not too late to save our coral reefs - and you can help,' by Nancy Klingener. blueplanet quarterly. Vol. 3(1): 34-35.

Click here for more MAC in the Newshttp://www.aquariumcouncil.org/macinthenewscont.htm
 

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A few comments and questions on the progress made by MAC as reported in the 3rd quarter newsletter:

MAC News 3rd Quarter 2003":21gwrdnf said:
Director's Note
Industry participation in MAC Certification is growing steadily. There are now 20 MAC Certified operations, including two collection areas, two collectors associations and four exporters in the Philippines; four importers and six retailers in North America; and two importers in Europe. The only official list of MAC Certified entities is on the MAC website at http://aquariumcouncil.org/subpage.asp?page=130&section=3 .

Public commitments to seek to become MAC Certified have now been made by 95 companies in 18 countries, including 40 in the United States; 20 in the Philippines; 9 in Indonesia; 5 in Fiji; 3 each in Australia and UK; 2 each in France, Germany and Solomon Islands; and 1 each in Bahrain, Belau, Brazil, Canada, Israel, The Netherlands, Norway, Spain and Taiwan. These companies are listed on the MAC website at http://aquariumcouncil.org/subpage.asp?page=167&section=3.

There was an insightful (I thought) posting on this forum by a fellow who specialises in understanding certification programs. He made the comment that the greater the cheer and acceptance of a certification program among industry, the more toothless it typically is. Companies will hop on board quickly with painless programs that require no change to standard operating procedures because they are ... well painless ... and by cementing the greenwash, can help avoid the establishment of programs with teeth and that may actually require change and reform (anyone else remember that thread?).

Gee, 95 committments, eh?

MAC News 3rd Quarter 2003":21gwrdnf said:
PHILIPPINES: US Agency for International Development (USAID) Supports MAC Certification

USAID has recently approved a major Global Development Alliance grant for 'Transforming the Marine Aquarium Trade (TMAT)' in the Philippines. The goal of the three-year program is to build a critical mass of MAC Certified collectors and collection areas in the Philippines. TMAT brings together significant new collaboration, resources and partnerships to help mainstream MAC Certification by 1) ensuring collectors have the information and training to become MAC Certified; 2) ensuring community stakeholders are able to develop and implement MAC Certified ecosystem management for collection areas; and 3) ensuring MAC and its partners have the capacity to develop, coordinate and implement the TMAT program. More information will be reported on this project in future issues of the MAC News.

If all of the above issues still need to be "ensured" (training, establishment of CAMPs etc.), how can MAC be claiming that they are already supplying "sustainably caught" fish from Batasan and Clarin ?

If it is a question of extending the successful model from Batasan to other areas, wouldn't it be smart to demonstrate that it has indeed worked in Batasan? All this model (more money to make progress) means is that the same old approach is perpetuated ... regardless of whether it has worked or not. And in the absence of any information indicating whether it has indeed worked, this makes me nervous. At what point will an assessment be made of progress towards clearly identified performance indicators?????

MAC News 3rd Quarter 2003":21gwrdnf said:
In the southern Philippines, the Growth with Equity in Mindanao (GEM 2) Program of USAID is supporting MAC efforts to work with local partners to identify and assess collection areas and collector groups in the Mindanao provinces of Zamboanga, Basilan, Tawi-Tawi and Jolo to ensure the aquarium trade is sustainable. The target beneficiaries are former secessionist combatants who have laid down their arms and are now participating in USAID-supported programs for sustainable livelihoods based on local coastal resources. The project was launched in August in Zamboanga City with MAC partners Reef Check and the Mindanao State University (MSU) Marine Research Development Foundation and will seek to expand to include collectors training and collection area certification development.

OK, so we have already overtaxed marine resources and we decide more fishing is the best option for newly demobilised combatants ... and for conservation ??? Fishing is the occupation of last resort for many ... bottom of the rung and as such more and more people turn to it as poverty increases. Why on earth would you consider training MORE fishermen ? Has fishing for marine aquarium fish proven so successful elsewhere as a livelihood (evidence please)? Is MAC now being used as a vehicle for feel good development rather than conservation-based reformation of the trade ? Guess the new focus helps access other pots of funding (e.g. development)

MAC News 3rd Quarter 2003":21gwrdnf said:
Global Marine Aquarium Database Summary Report Available; UN Environment Programme Supports Sustainable Marine Aquarium Trade

The United Nations Environment Programme's World Conservation Monitoring Centre (UNEP-WCMC) launched the first ever detailed global estimate of the state of the marine aquarium trade in its report 'From Ocean to Aquarium: The Global Trade in Marine Ornamentals.' The report is made possible by the data provided by exporters and importers from around the world who are working with MAC and WCMC to ensure accurate information on the trade is available.

I'll say it again, there is NO WAY THIS SIDE OF GOD'S GREEN (or blue) EARTH that catch / landings / trade figures can be used to evaluate sustainability

If I report that 5000 Fishy disappearicus were traded in 1999 and 5000 were traded in 2000, how do I know what this means? Maybe there was no change between the years but maybe ... there were more fishers in 2000 so catch per unit effort is going down ... maybe collectors had to travel twice the distance to catch the same number of fish due to local depletions ...

MAC News 3rd Quarter 2003":21gwrdnf said:
INDONESIA: Indonesia Government and MAC Sign MOU; CAMP Developments Proceed in Bali

PACIFIC ISLANDS: MAC Partnerships Increase as Regional Office Relocates to Fiji and Adds New Staff

Why is MAC extending itself into Indonesia and the Pacific Islands when it still hasn't sorted it self out in the Phils with a proven track record that includes for instance, full implementation of its environmental standards for collection areas (i.e. where are the resource assessments ? where is the catch monitoring ? where is the assessment of whether collection to order contributes or undermines conservation efforts? where is yes, even I will ask it, the CDT?)

MAC News 3rd Quarter 2003":21gwrdnf said:
MAC Certified Collection Areas Discussed at the World Parks Congress. MAC was invited to participate in the 5th World Parks Congress in Durban, South Africa, Sept. 8 to 17. More than 2,500 participants from 170 countries participated in this once-a-decade event that is the major global forum on protected areas. MAC Asia Director Rezal Kusumaatmadja delivered the presentation 'Trade-Based Incentives for Establishing Management Areas and No-Take Zones' in a session on 'Benefits of MPA Networks for Fisheries and Endangered Species: Experiences and Innovation in Scaling Up to Build Networks.'

I'm still hoping to understand what MACs experience is with establishing no-take zones / marine protected areas. Please tell me this talk wasn't grounded in a discussion of the no-take area in Batasan established by groups other than MAC?

Think I'll stop there. Am feeling exhausted.

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'We have always been an avid supporter of MAC and its objectives,' notes owner Danny Winkels. 'It reflects our particularly high investment in quarantine facilities, prophylactic research and animal husbandry. Our name is associated with these high standards and our clients expect nothing less.'

Interesting quote here, especially the comment about "prophylactic research".

Does Danny not realize that use of chemicals in any way is prohibited by the MAC standards? Even for legitimate "prophylactic research"?

The way the standards are currently written, there can be no such research. Use of ANY such chemicals is verbotten.

Regards.
Mike Kirda
 

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mkirda":tr3kaly9 said:
John_Brandt":tr3kaly9 said:
'We have always been an avid supporter of MAC and its objectives,' notes owner Danny Winkels. 'It reflects our particularly high investment in quarantine facilities, prophylactic research and animal husbandry. Our name is associated with these high standards and our clients expect nothing less.'

Interesting quote here, especially the comment about "prophylactic research".

Does Danny not realize that use of chemicals in any way is prohibited by the MAC standards? Even for legitimate "prophylactic research"?

The way the standards are currently written, there can be no such research. Use of ANY such chemicals is verbotten.

Regards.
Mike Kirda

I'm not sure what you mean Mike. It is against MAC Standards to use chemicals to collect marine organisms (ie sodium cyanide). It is not against the standards to properly use chemicals (or drugs) for prevention, treatment, or to improve the overall health of the animal once in captivity.

FWIW, it is not exactly clear that Winkels means 'chemicals' (or drugs) when he says "prophylactic research". Prophylactic or prophylaxis literally means preventative and is not specific. Doing water exchanges to improve conditions to prevent disease is 'prophylactic treatment'. Doing experiments on various water exchange volumes is 'prophylactic research'.
 

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John_Brandt":b6d8ormw said:
I'm not sure what you mean Mike. It is against MAC Standards to use chemicals to collect marine organisms (ie sodium cyanide). It is not against the standards to properly use chemicals (or drugs) for prevention, treatment, or to improve the overall health of the animal once in captivity.

FWIW, it is not exactly clear that Winkels means 'chemicals' (or drugs) when he says "prophylactic research". Prophylactic or prophylaxis literally means preventative and is not specific. Doing water exchanges to improve conditions to prevent disease is 'prophylactic treatment'. Doing experiments on various water exchange volumes is 'prophylactic research'.

John,

Went back and re-read the relevant sections again. (Thanks, MAC, for having copies of these documents printed out at MACNA.) There was an annex in it that I do not recall ever seeing before- Maybe it was in my old printed copies, but I don't recall it and I'm too lazy to dig them out of storage.

In the annex(es), they do cover the use of drugs:

It reads:

"Chemicals should only be used when necessary and then only in accordance with good husbandry and as agreed previously by a veterinary practice for the following classes:
Buffers
Ion exchange materials
vital dyes
vaccines
sedatives
antibiotics"

Under this, even copper or anti-fungal meds would not be allowed.

Prophylatic means: Acting to defend against or prevent something, especially disease; protective
(http://dictionary.reference.com/search? ... ophylactic)

IOW, using drugs to prevent, not treat, a disease.

Is this necessary? And if it is pure research, how would their use be as previously agreed by a veterinary practice?

Don't get me wrong here, John.
Frankly, I am glad the guy is doing research. (At least, I will take him at his word that said research is ongoing...)

BUT... As the standards are written... This does not appear to be allowed.

Which is a shame. One thing that might really help the shipping situation in the Philippines is basic research into how best to ship the animals. Including the use of sedatives. Especially on the leg from the collector to exporter. Especially since the annex(es) only cover the exporter and importer holding systems, leaving the use of drugs on the collector to exporter leg as prohibited as I read the standards. (Or should I read it as 'anything goes' since the standards make no explict statement prohibiting them? :D )

A second thought added later: Maybe the key word here is "should"...
As in you should do it this way, but failing to heed this part of the standards/best practices documents will not cause you to lose your certification. :wink:

I guess I'm now asking for clarification on what MAC meant to say.

Regards.
Mike Kirda
 

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I'm still hoping to understand what MACs experience is with establishing no-take zones / marine protected areas. Please tell me this talk wasn't grounded in a discussion of the no-take area in Batasan established by groups other than MAC?

Blue hula

Blue hula,

The most interesting thing about the standards covering the CAMP process is how the acronym "MPA" is not even mentioned once.

Dave V. has told me that this will be addressed in a revision of the standards, due out... sometime.

However, bet you a US dollar (rather than Canadian...) that it was...

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Mike Kirda
 

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mkirda":tk7xo86d said:
blue hula3":tk7xo86d said:
I'm still hoping to understand what MACs experience is with establishing no-take zones / marine protected areas. Please tell me this talk wasn't grounded in a discussion of the no-take area in Batasan established by groups other than MAC?

Blue hula

Blue hula,

The most interesting thing about the standards covering the CAMP process is how the acronym "MPA" is not even mentioned once.

Dave V. has told me that this will be addressed in a revision of the standards, due out... sometime.

However, bet you a US dollar (rather than Canadian...) that it was...

Regards.
Mike Kirda

Mike ... you're right .. MPAs no where to be found in the standards ... but they are found in the Conservation PR bumph:

MAC Certification Creates Conservation as cited in [url=http://reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=36306&start=0 said:
http://reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=36306&start=0[/url]":tk7xo86d]
Conservation Benefits of MAC Certification
Information Sheet (September 27, 2002)


MAC Certification implements conservation on the ground in three ways:
* Requiring reef conservation and management for marine ornamental collection areas
* Eliminating destructive collection practices and reducing overfishing
* Contributing to sustainable livelihoods and poverty reduction

Requiring reef conservation and management for marine aquarium fishery areas

MAC Certification is delivering conservation to reefs in the high diversity center of global marine biodiversity. The MAC Standard for Ecosystem and Fishery Management requires each MAC Certified harvest area to develop a Collection Area Management Plan (CAMP). This brings multi-stakeholder resource management to areas where there is little incentive or likelihood of this happening otherwise. The management plans include "no take" areas, with the goal of having an average of 20% of each MAC Certified collection area as "no take". The fishers participate in selecting the reserves - creating a high probability that the reserves will be respected.

This was the thread that started it for me ... the term MPA may not be in the "standards" but it appears to be a core component of what MAC perceives to be important on the ground. The problem is that the presence of a MPA per se does not guarrantee sustainability. You still need to do resource assessments, monitor catch and effort, figure out how many fishers the grounds can sustain (regardless if they are recently demobilised freedom fighters in Jolo ...) You have to get wet and do the work. Frankly, you have to also do the cha-cha and perhaps get a little tipsy. And ask yourself ... how many fish can really be removed from these already depleted areas ?

Greenbacks and loonies beat betting on the Aussie dollar ... or the peso

Cheers, Blue hula
 

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blue hula3":mf7zbfwn said:
(regardless if they are recently demobilised freedom fighters in Jolo ...)

Well, couldn't they hire them to police the reefs?

Seems to me that former Abu Sayyef are better armed than the Chinese poachers. :D :D :D

Regards.
Mike Kirda
 

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Great idea Mike,
The rebels could be deputized to raid and plunder the live fish pirate cyanide boats from Hong Kong all up and down the 'frontier' of West Palawan. Then they could sink em to make artificial reefs in front of Puerto Princessa.
Futhermore, they could strip the boats clean and hold the Chinese crews for ransom and perpetuate themselves financially that way.
Hundreds of rebel returnees so motivated would put the fear of God into the smugglers from Hong Kong...and save a million or so coral heads in the South China Sea.
This new linkage between MAC and the CIA [ ..excuse me... Agency for International Development ] is a brilliant move.
I applaud it wholeheartedly.
Sincerely, Ka Esteban
 

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cortez marine":2gcu8kg1 said:
This new linkage between MAC and the CIA [ ..excuse me... Agency for International Development ] is a brilliant move.

Heck, the CIA has funded crazier people for even murkier objectives...

I.E. Osama and Saddam

Maybe the craziest idea is also the sanest here.

Regards.
Mike Kirda
 

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Hey!
Maybe we could...naw!
We're too rational, focused and resistant to manipulation. Oh well, it was just a thought.
Steve
ps. I worked with a CIA contractor in the Philipines under the Marcos regime. They called it 'peasant pacification' back then. The swords into plowshares approach.
Imagine 600 new collectors scouring the islands in the Sulu Sea! Lotsa blue tangs there still...at least in the initial windfall year anyway.
Jolo is lovely this time of year and thanks to the enlightened 'protection' of the MILF and Abu Sayef...still pretty loaded with fish!
 
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cortez marine":2r8me1c9 said:
Hey!
Maybe we could...naw!
We're too rational, focused and resistant to manipulation. Oh well, it was just a thought.
Steve
ps. I worked with a CIA contractor in the Philipines under the Marcos regime. They called it 'peasant pacification' back then. The swords into plowshares approach.
Imagine 600 new collectors scouring the islands in the Sulu Sea! Lotsa blue tangs there still...at least in the initial windfall year anyway.
Jolo is lovely this time of year and thanks to the enlightened 'protection' of the MILF and Abu Sayef...still pretty loaded with fish!

quite unlike all those who are lining up at the 'Mac booth' 8O :P
 

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Sorry, meant self-funded ex-soldiers-now-marine police with a war-chest stocked by plundering cyanide pirates ... too hilarious
 

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MaryHM":2it6yh2e said:
John,

I'd really like to see your counter argument to Blue Hula's original reply.

While you are waiting maybe you could explain the us all the foundations of your company SeaCrop's claims of sustainably-harvested animals.

"FISH....That are ethically and sustainably collected by our high-quality overseas suppliers."

http://www.seacrop.com/about.htm
 

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John,

No matter how I ask you a question, you will find some way to evade it. Either by being rude, turning it around to an attack on me, or both. When you resigned from this forum you stated that it would make it easier to defend MAC without the behavioral expectations of "moderator" hanging over your head. I have yet to see a good defense of an argument someone poses regarding MAC from you. It was a simple request, John. It wasn't inflammatory in the least. I was really curious to see what MAC had to say about it because IMO blue hula brings up some good points. I'm sorry that you find it necessary to respond in a rude/attacking way rather than saying "I don't have an answer" or just simply giving an answer if you have one.

In regards to what you posted about my company. The vast majority of the text on that site was cut and pasted from another site I had set up 2-3 years ago for retail sales. When I got the new domain, I just moved the text over. At that point (and even when I first opened SeaCrop) I wasn't bringing in any fish from the Philippines. I was importing fish from Fiji, Tonga and the Solomons. There has never been a problem with unsustainable fishing for the aquarium trade in those countries, although concerns have been voiced about the coral trade. However, I do now import fish from the Philippines as well. Everytime a change occurs in my business I don't always think to go back and check the static pages on the site. Thank you for bringing it to my attention, and it will be corrected.

Now that I've answered your question, how about mine?
 

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