The Right Way to Go!

[Ad van Tage]

I received the following e-mail-msg, which I am sharing here ***:

Re: "Aquaculture, Responsible Collecting and Captive Breeding: The Right Way to Go!"

Hello Advantage.

The International Marine Aquarium Conference (IMAC) will be in Chicago June 4, 5 and 6. Check out the new website, www.theimac.org and you'll see that they already have 16 speakers lined up with more to come.

Eric Borneman,
Dr. Ron Shimek,
Carol Cozzi-Schmarr,
Mark Schick,
Dr. Charlie Mazel,
Jeff Mitchell,
Dr. Tim Hovanec,
Marc Lamont,
Sanjay Joshi,
Scott Michael,
Steve Robinson,
Anthony Calfo,
Bob Fenner,
Beth Ann Panocha,
Tullio Dell Aquilla ,
Allen LaPointe

The theme of the conference will be "Aquaculture, Responsible Collecting and Captive Breeding: The Right Way to Go!" There will also be a Frag Swap during the conference! And, if you have never attended a conference like this before, you can get a preview at their website. They have streaming videos of portions of Eric Borneman's, Dr. Ron Shimek's, Julian Sprung's and Richard Harker's presentations this year.

Reef Central will have a booth at IMAC so please stop by and say hello. You
can also have your "screen name" on your nametag so other RC members will
recognize you.
--
Peace - JohnL


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*** The URL www.theimac.org does not appear to work <today>
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PS I assume the schedule is for 2 :idea: :idea: 4.

 

[jamesw]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm going just to see Tullio Del Aquilla - wouldn't miss that for the WORLD!

Cheers
James

 

[Anonymous]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm going just to see Tullio Del Aquilla - wouldn't miss that for the WORLD!

Are you being sarcastic? Inquiring minds want to know...

Peace,

Chip

 

[Ad van Tage]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm going just to see Tullio Del Aquilla - wouldn't miss that for the WORLD!

Are you being sarcastic? Inquiring minds want to know...

Peace,

Chip

Don't know about sarcastic, but "jamesw's" reply is clearly gender-challenged! [ Apart from being spelling-challenged; it's "Tullio DELL Aquilla" I believe. It 's not a wise man who doesn't pay attention to names. ]

I don't know about you guys, but ...

For Nano-tanks , LEDs & "Tullio DELL... " see: http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/ ... eature.htm
Sadly www.theimac.org/tdellaquila_2004.htm is also a no-show for now,
along with the entire www.theimac.org website.

Anyway that leaves 15 other speakers...

Who will address "Responsible Collecting" ???

 

[Veng68]

I'd like to go but it would cost me too much in airfare to go

Maybe a road trip

Cheers,
Vic [veng68]

 

[Kalkbreath]

If I stand up during the presentation and ask how many fish this industry collects per year per kilometer square of collection area ......and the answer is sixty ! Will anyone at that meeting be able to explain how removing one fish a week per square kilometer .......can have an effect on the population levels of reef fish ? :wink:

 

[Chucker]

Sadly www.theimac.org/tdellaquila_2004.htm is also a no-show for now, along with the entire www.theimac.org website.

Again, there is much more to the board and reefs.org as a whole than just the Indusrty Forum. See http://reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=42520 :wink:

 

[PeterIMA]

Kalk, When you stand up and "claim" that the trade is removing 60 fish per square kilometer per year please be able to "prove" or substantiate it.

Irrespective of how many are removed or how many survive to be exported, I think the assertion being made by the reformists is "Is this being done sustainably?". Collecting with nets does little or no harm to the reefs. Can this claim be made for the use of cyanide? Until, you can get up (as the defender of the trade) and say "The aquarium trade is NOT harming the reefs, and our harvest methods are SUSTAINABLE", I think you had better not get up to speak (or pontificate on Reefs.org).

PS-Does this mean that you will be presenting your analyses at the MO Conference" The deadline for submission of abstracts is today.

Peter Rubec

 

[Kalkbreath]

Kalk, When you stand up and "claim" that the trade is removing 60 fish per square kilometer per year please be able to "prove" or substantiate it.

Irrespective of how many are removed or how many survive to be exported, I think the assertion being made by the reformists is "Is this being done sustainably?". Collecting with nets does little or no harm to the reefs. Can this claim be made for the use of cyanide? Until, you can get up (as the defender of the trade) and say "The aquarium trade is NOT harming the reefs, and our harvest methods are SUSTAINABLE", I think you had better not get up to speak (or pontificate on Reefs.org).

PS-Does this mean that you will be presenting your analyses at the MO Conference" The deadline for submission of abstracts is today.

Peter Rubec

I would love to .....But I dont think they would like my questions ....Reeformers , have never cared enough about the truth to let it interfere with the "movement" Other then some limited Cyanide collection ....Where has it been demonstrated that current fish populations are unsustainable ? ...Show me a shortage? Ill show you a lot of cheap fish and price dumping .....to support that there is a LOT of excess fish ............For The industry to address cyanide collection is one thing .......But to give the public the impression that this industry removes enough fish or coral to effect the wild populations or the health of coral reefs is unfounded...... totally unfounded........the issue of sustainability only comes into play when the use of cyanide is also included........There is no sustainability issue ......only collection issues .

 

[PeterIMA]

Kalk, You continue to distort what Reformists have claimed and what needs to be done.

First, Cyanide use is neither "limited" or restricted to the capture of aquarium fishes. No one that I know of has claimed that aquarium fishes are"overfished". However, there may some high priced aquarium fish species that have been overfished (depleted because too many were captured by aquarium fish collectors).

I was one of the first to claim that cyanide fishing was damaging coral reefs. This was proven with published studies, including that by James Cervino published earlier in 2003.

There is evidence that fisheries yeilds have been declining in the Philippines. The total landings have been declining. This is due to a variety of causes including dyanamite fishing, cyanide fishing, muro-ami, kayakas fishing, siltation of coastal areas as a result of deforestation etc.

As far as your assertion that the industry (aquarium) removes enough fish to effect wild populations this has not been asserted by myself or the so-called reformists (even if it might be true).

Your claim that the industry removes enough coral to affect coral reefs is also another of your false claims.

I suppose you feel that by makig false claims and blaming them on the reformists, that the actual facts will be lost. I think you should read the published papers of the reformists, then discuss them.

I disagree with your statement that "the issue of sustainability only comes into play when cyanide is included". Cyanide is a major factor affecting coral reefs, but so are other factors (some listed above). I never blamed the aquarium trade for all of them (just some of them).

If coral reefs are degraded by destructive fishing they lose their ability to sustain fish populations needed by local people as food, to support the fisheries and to support the aquarium trade. Don't confuse this with claiming that the harvest of too many aquarium fish is what I meant by sustainability.

Peter Rubec

 

[Kalkbreath]

Peter, What does the word" sustainability" mean to these people? As used by the reeform industry?.......What is the focus of this get together? There is only ONE issue in reeform .....Is Someone going to stand up and shout "..Stop those Philippinos from blasting and squirting the reefs ".....Meeting adjured! .....Or is this meeting going to consist of hours upon hours of useless make believe and pretend ? .........[Declining catches?]......The DEMAND for aquarium fish from PI has decreased two/thirds since ten years ago......mostly due to reef tanks gaining in popularity...and the narrowing of the species hobbyists want to buy...The reason total catches has decreased, is the lack of buyers..Not lack of fish .......Most of the fish that die in the care of the exporters , do so because no one wanted these fish {like half back angels} and the fish "sat"at the exporters for weeks .........Keep in mind .only Twenty fish represent about 50%.of the total fish collected for the hobby from the region ......Removing a few of these twenty fish types per kilometer square {five types of damsels,five types of clownfish two dart fish and one type of tang etc. . }....does not drastically effect the other 1500 species! So when you site declining fish populations in certain areas of PI as evidence of Over collection.......your blaming our hobby for the ALL the missing fish .... Even the limited use of cyanide by our industry cannot have much of an effect on the reefs ..Cyanide fishing for blue tangs only effects the coral the fish are hiding within {Sometimes } the concentration is so low that it only stuns the target fish .....the expanding plume is so diluted within seconds that the event has little effects beyond the squirt zone of a few feet..{Not quite the same as the food fishermen. throwing overboard handfuls of cyanide pellets !}.But this is not my beef with this meeting........No cyanide is better collection for our hobby .plain and simple ......But thats NOT going to be the focus of this meeting.....Hell what can these group of people due about the fishing preferences of the Philippine people? {Nothing}..........This get together will be nothing more then , deception at its finest .......The title should be .."Cant really do any thing to help the reefs .......so lets pretend that these other activities will.....so we can continue to make money ........".Fixin the reefs "......... :roll:

 

[liquid]

Tullio's should definitely be interesting. I got to meet him and hang w/ him at IMAC last year till about 2-3 AM while Rick and Kevin were out on the town. Definitely an interesting fellow.

Shane

 

[Ad van Tage]

Sadly www.theimac.org/tdellaquila_2004.htm is also a no-show for now, along with the entire www.theimac.org website.

Again, there is much more to the board and reefs.org as a whole than just the Indusrty Forum. See http://reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=42520 :wink:

Chucker, "Sadly www.theimac.org/tdellaquila_2004.htm is also a no-show for now, along with the entire www.theimac.org website. " was a statement, not a question.

Having opened this thread with info received from IMAC which mentioned the info about the new website , I thought it only prudent to give folks a heads-up about the site not being available. Saves having to look around and wonder... Is that a problem?

And yes, you are so right there is more to Reefs.org than this forum. For instance there are links. Viz. to | MACO | ... :lol:

IMAC, MAC, MACO ... I hope we keep it all sorted out!

* HAPPY NEW YEAR *

 

[PeterIMA]

Kalk, I am surprised that you asked what the purpose of the Marine Ornamentals Conference. It is focused on the marine aquarium trade. I brings together those in the trade (like importers, wholesalers, exporters, and retailers as well as marine hobbyists). It also involves scientists involved in marine mariculture (for MO it is those organisms of potential use by the aquarium trade).

It is focused on all aspects from collection, culture, collection transport handling etc. The mariculture part is growing the collection issues have been declining. I assume this is because one of the main sponsores is
NOAA SeaGrant that want to see culture increase. This year the MO Conference is concurrent with the World Mariculture Conference.

People like yourself need to attend. Will there be lots of boring papers that are irrelevant to the collection issues? Yes. I have been told by those in the trade that they prefer MO over MACNA IMAC etc (because of the relevant information presented I presume).

We could continue our arguments in the bar at MO 04. Please consider attending.

Peter

 

[gracie]

I also got the chance to meet and talk with Tullio at
MACNA 2003 in Louisville. He has a lot of interesting
things to say. His products are alsoworth looking
into.
Also thanks for the IMAC thread. It looks exciting.

 

[Anonymous]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm going just to see Tullio Del Aquilla - wouldn't miss that for the WORLD!

Cheers
James

Amen to that, if I could go.

 

[liquid]

FWIW, I know I'll be there at the Reefs.org/Advanced Aquarist/MACO table and I believe Terry Siegel will as well.

Shane

 

[degall 55]

I am happy to report that the IMAC site is back up but since we couldn't access it for the last couple of days, some of the updates are not yet in.

"Who will address "Responsible Collecting" ???" was asked by Ad van Tage. I think Steve Robinson and Walt Smith will cover that, and there may be more, once all the speakers get their abstracts in.

So you can go over to www.theimac.org and check it out.

See ya,

Dennis :lol:

 

[Kalkbreath]

Kalk, I am surprised that you asked what the purpose of the Marine Ornamentals Conference. It is focused on the marine aquarium trade. I brings together those in the trade (like importers, wholesalers, exporters, and retailers as well as marine hobbyists). It also involves scientists involved in marine mariculture (for MO it is those organisms of potential use by the aquarium trade).

It is focused on all aspects from collection, culture, collection transport handling etc. The mariculture part is growing the collection issues have been declining. I assume this is because one of the main sponsores is
NOAA SeaGrant that want to see culture increase. This year the MO Conference is concurrent with the World Mariculture Conference.

People like yourself need to attend. Will there be lots of boring papers that are irrelevant to the collection issues? Yes. I have been told by those in the trade that they prefer MO over MACNA IMAC etc (because of the relevant information presented I presume).

We could continue our arguments in the bar at MO 04. Please consider attending.

Peter

I would not want to "spoil" the circle jerk.......... :wink: Ps "The right way to go " does not include actualy helping the reefs .......?

 

[Anonymous]

So Kalk, when are you going to be speaking at IMAC?