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dizzy

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I was noticing in the Premium Aquatics thread in the general section that the practice of Power Buys began here. Seems like it has spread to other forums as well. To me this is a fine example of how rdo supports e-tailing at the expense of the brick and motars. I would love to hear thoughts from the other retailers and especially you Glenn.
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I think there is room in the hobby for etailers. Not in animals, or any of the bread and butter dry goods, but in some of the high end equipment. People simply aren't willing to pay the money for a metal halide system that I would have to charge at my usual markup, and I don't have room on my shelf to carry items at that low of a margin. I don't have a problem with them selling calcium reactors, metal halide systems, computerized aquarium controllers and the like. In most cases there aren't enough people in a single geographic area to continually be able to sell them to make it a worthwile investment in inventory. And because of the lower overhead that those guys have it makes it easier for them to live on the smaller margins, which ultimately puts more equipment into the market and creates more customers for the retailers. I am strongly against etailers selling livestock, and I feel that the bread and butter dry goods that get sold (lower end skimmers, tank supplements, etc.) is a matter for the retialers to take up with their sales reps and regional wholesalers. Good stores do just fine living under the shadow of the big boxes, and I really don't see much difference between the two.

One problem that I see is that there is not a convenient distribution point for most of the higher end stuff, ie skimmers and lighting. High minimums, high price breaks, and large case packs require the retailer to sink a signifigant amount of cash into inventory to remain competitive because in many cases you have to order the products direct from the manufacturer. As opposed to most other dry goods where you can order a week to two week supply on a regular basis, and negotiate discounts based on overall volume.
 

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Rover":1c1tvd4b said:
And because of the lower overhead that those guys have it makes it easier for them to live on the smaller margins, which ultimately puts more equipment into the market and creates more customers for the retailers.

I would agree that some of the etailers have smaller overheads. It would probably be unfair to make that statement about all etailers across the board. Some etailers have extremely large warehouses and even more employees.

I realize that Rover was probably referring to the etailers that consist of one person sitting in their basement with ZERO inventory and an open account with many suppliers and his point is well taken. I have, however, seen some pretty impressive etail operations with a huge monthly operating cost.
 

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FYI: Some of our sponsors are both brick and mortar stores and E-tailers.
Some started as brick and mortar stores only but realized that they could expand their market by doing both. Pretty smart business eh?

Cheers
James
 

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It is a free capitalist society. If you do not like competition get out of the business. I hate that Brick and Mortar stores put themselves on a pedestal above everybody else.
 
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FWIW: I just did a power buy for the local reef club, that went over very well. It will bring a lot of people from the Atlanta area into my store that otherwise might not have come. And it was done over the net and didn't cost me a dime in advertising.
 

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Geez Louise,
As a wholesaler...closed to the public, it amazes me to hear used the 'anything goes' for profit to justify greedy behavior. I thought the wholesalers were supposed to be the greedy ones!
If 'anything goes' I guess I should open to the public on weekends, sell all the best stuff to hobbyists, ship out to hobbyists on FED-EX and carry on like a war-zone hooker...ie. any man w/ cash!
I certainly get the stuff direct and cheaper than e-tailers and retailers and could lowball the worlds marinelife diversity with the best of them. But I won't.
Is such restraint foolish?
Steve
 

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It might be? You have the choice to send out hundreds of small orders each day{online retail} or Five larger ones{wholesale}........There is more profit potential in the hundreds of online orders........... but far more effort.........! The Internet is changing everything about this industry. I even buy some of my drygoods for my retail store from an online etailer.........Because its cheaper then the wholesaler! Seachem sells directly to some online Etailers! How is brick and mortar supposed to compete with that? Petsmart has so much pull with All glass that the tank maker began manufacturing the new CUBE tanks because PetsMart asked them to. What sort of selling agreement do you think they also have managed to "PULL"? I am sure MAC will one day find an online etailer to sell its fish direct as well.............
 

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You are right James...
MAC doesn't sell fish.
Niether do MAC certified companies.
There are no fish in the pipeline...unless the less then one percent of not to good fish rarely coming out of Buhol it what you're talking about.
There are less certified fish now then there was 6 months ago.
What fish are we talking about?

'Theoretical fish' make the case to some of you but to none of the people who actually have to front for this hype.
I wish all the MAC moonies and toadies were importers...

They'd either be pissed of at MAC for:

1]Letting them down and providing virtually nothing but empty promises year after year...or

2] They'd just do what the other certified dealers do....sell cyanide fish in the mean time...despite the pledge not to.

So whats a sincere dealer who won't deal in non-netcaught fish to do?
Steve
 

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Hi Steve,

I knew you would take this opportunity to say that. Of course, you know that's not what I am talking about. So let's bring this back to what I said:

I was correcting an obviously incorrect statement about certification - any certification, it doesn't have to be fish we are talking about.

The certifying agency writes guidelines and manages certification - they do not sell anything. In fact, at present, they do not even sell certifications.

Cheers
James
 

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Rover":14ta8qem said:
FWIW: I just did a power buy for the local reef club, that went over very well. It will bring a lot of people from the Atlanta area into my store that otherwise might not have come. And it was done over the net and didn't cost me a dime in advertising.

Rover,
Is it a local reef club in Athens or the one in Atlanta? What was the PB item and what was the sale price? Did any other stores offer to match it?
 
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The one in Atlanta. It was IO buckets for 29.99 (worked a deal with the distro). Sold about fifty buckets, and the result is about twenty people are coming into the store that otherwise wouldn't have. And I haven't spent a dime yet.
 

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