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Well, if MAC is involved, then we really don't have much to worry about, do we? The whole thing will fade out in less than a year...
Peace,
Chip
Peace,
Chip
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Chip,
I'm not sure if your post was an attempt at gallows humor or if you really are as naive as you often appear. There is a red hot smoking gun behind the posts made in this thread. You remind me of a verse from the John Lennon song Strawberry Fields Forever.
"Living is easy with eyes closed,
Misunderstanding all you see,
It's getting hard to be someone
but it all works out,
It doesn't matter much to me."
Now I hope you don't think I'm picking on you, because all I'm really doing is trying to get you to wise up. :wink: 8)
I'm not sure if your post was an attempt at gallows humor or if you really are as naive as you often appear. There is a red hot smoking gun behind the posts made in this thread. You remind me of a verse from the John Lennon song Strawberry Fields Forever.
"Living is easy with eyes closed,
Misunderstanding all you see,
It's getting hard to be someone
but it all works out,
It doesn't matter much to me."
Now I hope you don't think I'm picking on you, because all I'm really doing is trying to get you to wise up. :wink: 8)
Well, instead of beating around the bush, why don't you post straight information instead of veiled mystery quotes?
What do you know, and what is supposed to happen that will strike fear in my heart?
I'm not trying to be confrontational, but if it's so bad then be straight-up with it.
Peace,
Chip
What do you know, and what is supposed to happen that will strike fear in my heart?
I'm not trying to be confrontational, but if it's so bad then be straight-up with it.
Peace,
Chip
Tinfoil hats do not block out all the rays! You have to tinfoil your windows at the very least, too. If you go outside, you're a goner.
Chip, I have a feeling that, for the person posting such quotes, it may be better to tread as lightly as possible at this particular point in time.
A very uneducated guess on my part.
Chip, I have a feeling that, for the person posting such quotes, it may be better to tread as lightly as possible at this particular point in time.
A very uneducated guess on my part.
Chip,
Go the 5% thread and read the last posts by Peter and Steve. CCIF is back with a vengeance. The threat never really went away, it is just that MAC needed more pieces of the puzzle to sell the business plan and get funding. Perhaps all of this is a necessary evil in order to accomplish the greater good. Sometimes in the course of history certain individuals are called upon to make great personal sacrifice for the benefit of the majority. Life is not always fair. You don't get what you deserve, you get what you negociate. Right Steve. Hope that clears it up a bit for you.
Mitch
Go the 5% thread and read the last posts by Peter and Steve. CCIF is back with a vengeance. The threat never really went away, it is just that MAC needed more pieces of the puzzle to sell the business plan and get funding. Perhaps all of this is a necessary evil in order to accomplish the greater good. Sometimes in the course of history certain individuals are called upon to make great personal sacrifice for the benefit of the majority. Life is not always fair. You don't get what you deserve, you get what you negociate. Right Steve. Hope that clears it up a bit for you.
Mitch
Conservation and Community Investment Forum(CCIF) They are a non-profit commercial fisheries consultancy who has, should I dare say "conspired", with the MAC and Reef Check to mainstream the transformation of the marine aquarium industry into a vehicle of conservation, sustainable use and sustainable livelihoods that contribute to poverty alleviation.
While all of that may sound pretty good to some, the devil is in the details. According to other threads the Packard Foundation is behind the CCIF as a hidden venture capitalist firm. I can neither confirm or deny this. If true it means that the CCIF is putting up money in the name of conservation with actual goal of creating a huge profit for the investors. The plan is to make the trade pay for all of this. Maybe this is not a threat at all but a good thing. It all depends on your perspective. I decided to take out the speculation about the big box being involved. Time will tell.
Mitch
While all of that may sound pretty good to some, the devil is in the details. According to other threads the Packard Foundation is behind the CCIF as a hidden venture capitalist firm. I can neither confirm or deny this. If true it means that the CCIF is putting up money in the name of conservation with actual goal of creating a huge profit for the investors. The plan is to make the trade pay for all of this. Maybe this is not a threat at all but a good thing. It all depends on your perspective. I decided to take out the speculation about the big box being involved. Time will tell.
Mitch
I'm just wondering if the CCIF is still planning on using an unnamed wholesaler I used to work at as their main partner. I know it was attempted when first, but unsucessfully, submitted back in 2002. It would explain the increase of "suits" wandering around 104th Street these days.
Interesting times indeed.
- JT
Interesting times indeed.
- JT
Yeah it is a bit like seeing suits at a Grateful Dead concert. Could it be part of: " The only possibility to transform the marine aquarium industry is an approach that harnesses private sector incentives to compliment government policy and regulation."?seamaiden":e4yvf7yg said:
Or is it part of the continuing investigation into Clariongate?
JT try to get a close look at the shoes. Let us know if you see any gum on the soles. :wink: :lol:
clarionreef
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Actually,
They're Bohemian types.
Very nice folks with a serious mission to blend big cash with conscience.
The conscience however, is an ivory tower one, reinforced by the same like-minded pseudo-eco intellects at the Packard Foundation and never tempered with real life experience.
The cash, comes from pure business people looking for a serious ROI.
The 'eco-ngo' business mixes with and competes with themselves to loot the issues for all they can. They justify whatever they do as 'better then nothing' and besides, they know better and 'care more' then crass, ruthless fish mongers that dominate the trade.
Reform elements within the trade are most inconvenient as they are a constant reminder that there are people within the trade who care...and want to make it sustainable. Instead of co-opting and employing the existing talent within the trade, they always decide to 'wing it' and fake it and hope that no one catches on. Bringing in commercial expertise would afterall, delete one of their own salaries ...and do not think for a second that their interest extends one minute beyond getting paid.
You don't pay em, they're gone in sixty seconds.
They have relized that there is more then one way to get paid in this trade. "Know nothing" consultants who have learned to flirt with and manipulate the egos of fish people, play em along and then dump em when they think they've learned enough.
So no, they're not black suited, wing-tip wearing types. They're just good eco-egg headed liberals excited about getting close to conservative wealth.
Bingo!
Steve
PS. However, the needed return on investment contemplated will drive them to buy off and buy out anything they covet. Attracted to bigger targets, they will invariably gravitate to the bigger sales venues...ie. the big box stores.
They're Bohemian types.
Very nice folks with a serious mission to blend big cash with conscience.
The conscience however, is an ivory tower one, reinforced by the same like-minded pseudo-eco intellects at the Packard Foundation and never tempered with real life experience.
The cash, comes from pure business people looking for a serious ROI.
The 'eco-ngo' business mixes with and competes with themselves to loot the issues for all they can. They justify whatever they do as 'better then nothing' and besides, they know better and 'care more' then crass, ruthless fish mongers that dominate the trade.
Reform elements within the trade are most inconvenient as they are a constant reminder that there are people within the trade who care...and want to make it sustainable. Instead of co-opting and employing the existing talent within the trade, they always decide to 'wing it' and fake it and hope that no one catches on. Bringing in commercial expertise would afterall, delete one of their own salaries ...and do not think for a second that their interest extends one minute beyond getting paid.
You don't pay em, they're gone in sixty seconds.
They have relized that there is more then one way to get paid in this trade. "Know nothing" consultants who have learned to flirt with and manipulate the egos of fish people, play em along and then dump em when they think they've learned enough.
So no, they're not black suited, wing-tip wearing types. They're just good eco-egg headed liberals excited about getting close to conservative wealth.
Bingo!
Steve
PS. However, the needed return on investment contemplated will drive them to buy off and buy out anything they covet. Attracted to bigger targets, they will invariably gravitate to the bigger sales venues...ie. the big box stores.
I disagree.....what potential profit is there in Philippine fish? With four million fish being exported at an average of less then one buck a fish {before airfreight costs} even if they corner 100% of the export and double the price of each fish .....there is only a few million to reep? And thats a best case scenario! If the cost of PI fish doubles, then the other collection countries [like Shrilanka} }will gain a greater percentage of the market. Its the cheapness of Philippine fish that causes the great demand for tainted fish . Without being a bargain the fish loose the strong hold on the market. Next, what makes them think they can collect four million certified fish? If the nets dont slow them down the sustainability issues will. This is not about profit from PI fish ..........Investment groups are not so naive.....this is about power and control .........and more importantly ego.....
clarionreef
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K,
The issue is all the ASIA complex of marinelife, not just your "small time" exports from the Philippines.
Futhermore, the mega complex planned will establish here, on the West coast. It will need everything from everywhere.
The private investers are in it for money, ie. a return on investment...not ego.
The eco-shills sent to pave the way are in it for ego and carreer.
None of them could keep a guppy tank.
Get your respective players and motives straight.
Steve
The issue is all the ASIA complex of marinelife, not just your "small time" exports from the Philippines.
Futhermore, the mega complex planned will establish here, on the West coast. It will need everything from everywhere.
The private investers are in it for money, ie. a return on investment...not ego.
The eco-shills sent to pave the way are in it for ego and carreer.
None of them could keep a guppy tank.
Get your respective players and motives straight.
Steve
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