RE: An Invitation to MAC

[John_Brandt]

Edit: Sorry, Glenn. Vitz slobbered all over this thread. Your response from MAC will be sent privately to you.

 

[Anonymous]

so why does the mamti doc from the get go say things like (and i'm paraphrasing) that the ONLY viable way is w/mac ? :wink:

 

[Anonymous]

The only possibility to turn the tide of continuing reef degradation on a large scale is an approach that combines
private sector incentives with government policy and regulation

in fact, the only ngo even mentioned in at least the first 20 pages is mac

the document for the 1st 20 pages discussed creating and forcing a demand for MAC product, while stating that mac has already provided a small but steady source of product, and clearly states that mac expects others to foot the bill, DIRECTLY into mac's pockets

where is that small but steady supply?


i sure as hell don't see it anywhere

it's clearly a gambit to get a stranglehold on the mo biz, and suck it dry for finances as a middle man playing both ends against the middle

doesn't take much to read between the lines here, folks, it's pretty brazenly transparent

i have as much respect for the slimeheads (i'm excersizing restraint as a courtesy to len,rover, et all, by not typing a stronger epithet here) at mac as i do for insurance, and used car salesmen

god help us all if mac is allowed near this stuff, or allowed to continue furthering it's cancerous feelers into the mo biz


so much of it is just bs, and false pretenses

when the time comes, i'll be writin me congressman, and spreading the word fer others to do the same- i'd urge anyone who wants to see a true , real and practical solution that will ensure the viability of this industry in a morally acceptable fashion vis-a-vis the reefs as a resource, and a source of income for the people who depend on it, w/out allowing a clueless amalgamation of suits, beaureaucrcats, aquarium service geeks, and dumb lfs owners, to get a monopolistic stranglehold on the mo biz, to get ready for a small battle

i hope everyhthing mac even comes close to gets soooo buried in committee, that we'll have hydrogen powered vehicles before anyone lets 'em near a reef


how pathetic

 

[Anonymous]

btw, has mac met all of it's self imposed 'deadlines' to date as stated in the mamti doc? :wink:

 

[MaryHM]

John,

Glenn posted that request publicly here, so it seems like MAC's response should be public as well. But like I said earlier- which is worse PR for MAC, not posting a response or posting one? Heaven forbid someone question MAC's response. Because instead of an answer or explanation, it's more secrecy and personal attacks. Same old MAC, same old John, same old crap.

 

[naesco]

Mary I think you have come to accept that as BILL 4928 moves forward and becomes law, the US government will be looking for assistance in dealing with sustainability issues etc.

Whether you like it or not MAC stands ready to accept that responsibility.

You and other reformers failed to organize industry to stop the creation of BILL 4928, but also failed to provide an alternative vehicle to MAC

The time has come to stop the childish insults, make peace with MAC and contribute towards its success.

Sincerely
Wayne

 

[Anonymous]

Way to go, Vitz. :roll: I would have liked to have read John's post.

 

[MaryHM]

I know that THE BILL is your current emotional hang up (previous ones include MAC WILL implement a cyanide test, REEFORM, and others). But repeating the same exact mantra over and over and over is tiring. I guess when you don't know anything other than your mantra though, what else could you possibly contribute? You can cease telling me what I should do, should have done, or what trouble I'm in. You know nothing about where I stand on any of this or what I'm doing behind the scenes.

Let us all take a moment of silence to remember the truly appropriate request of JT some weeks back.....

 

[MaryHM]

"Way to go, Vitz"??? Are you kidding me?? MAC can't stand someone questioning their response, so they pull it and you think VITZ is to blame?? Good grief. It truly is a shame that both MAC and John have such thin skin. But I guess people who don't have the courage of their convictions and believe in what they say are like that.

 

[Anonymous]

Having faced some of the 'buzzsaw' of misdirection, insult, leading questions, etc. I can't blame anyone for withdrawing from the discussion here. "Miltz'ing" (I guess that's the term?) a thread seems perfectly reasonable when someone wants civil discourse and things turn into a slaming contest.

 

[MaryHM]

Or when someone is unable to answer the questions posed and wants to get out of the kitchen. It's not like John is some newbie here. He knows that anything he posts from MAC is going to be questioned. MAC is the Great Oz- cloaked in secrecy from behind their little control panel where they can publish quaint little quarterly reports. Once someone peeks behind the curtain, all hell breaks loose.

 

[Anonymous]

Having faced some of the 'buzzsaw' of misdirection, insult, leading questions, etc. I can't blame anyone for withdrawing from the discussion here. "Miltz'ing" (I guess that's the term?) a thread seems perfectly reasonable when someone wants civil discourse and things turn into a slaming contest.

reactionary milzing is the most childish form of behavior on can exhibit on a medium like a bb, imo


if ya don't believe and stand by what you say, then fer cryin out loud, don't say it to begin with



note to self:

start quoting and copying every post of lee's and john's, for posterity's sake

the one thing i like about rc's bb is that they have a time limit on being able to use the edit feature :wink:

since when do i control jb's brain, anyway ?

Edit: Sorry, Glenn. Vitz slobbered all over this thread. Your response from MAC will be sent privately to you

waaaaaaaa.....

THAT is the behavior of a little child trying to blame a sibling for their own behavior

Way to go, Vitz. I would have liked to have read John's post.

the middle sibling speaketh :twisted:

methinks you should be chiding jb-the decision to pull his post is solely his decision, i have nothing to do w/it

though it does give you a very sharp glimpse into the maturity level of mac

this is their liason behaving like a 2 yr old-kinda makes ya wonder, eh ? :roll:

 

[Anonymous]

You've said your piece.

 

[Len]

I'd like to interject mine. Vitz, while I appecriate your "effort" to tone down your defamations in consideration of my behalf, you're missing the spirit of my stance. I'd like you and everyone to make an earnest effort to refrain from personalizing the attacks. I understand the issues being discussed is intertwined with all your livelihoods and thus most everything is personal to a degree; But I trust that you all understand calling other people slimeheads, 2 year olds, and all the other ad hominems is an entirely different matter .... one that everyone needs to cease for the sake of useful discussion.

I'd love to see MAC participate for various reasons, but at the same I time I can understand why they don't due to the hostile attitude (justified or not) of this forum. It's tantamount to asking Kerry to speak at the RNC. I believe if we all can stop the derision, polorization, and hostility, we all would be better off for it. But I've been saying that for years now to no avail.