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mark@mac

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Jeremy,

It doesn't help my cause? Don't all of you want to see coral reef conservation along with the survival of the aquarium industry/hobby? Isn't this OUR cause?

Mark
 

dizzy

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Mark,
That's what I want to see. I think Glenn article was very good and I'm sure you can understand why those questions needed to be asked. I believe Glenn asked the questions here first and they went unanswered. Anyway I didn't get Steve and John's Stepford wives comment. Could someone explain it to me?
 
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Oh Mitch, your so silly. How could anyone miss that? Ok Stepford wives, small town where the husbands make PERFECT robotic copies of their wifes, kill the real wife and live a life rich in obedience from said robot wife. PERFECT in every respect. They look perfect, feel perfect and are free of annoying habit of speaking the TRUTH.
 

clarionreef

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..."where a new generation of passion free Eco-Dev NGOs are created to make copies of real environmentalists and reformers, kill these real ones and live rich in obedience from said replicas."

The souless replicas know their place, are obedient, do not question authority.
They are there to serve.
Steve

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template, auto-pilot, lock-step, exhaustive multi-stakeholder consultation and consensus,
 

dizzy

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Steve,
As a boss I know the value of having employees that do what they are told. The ones that don't are showed the door pretty quick around here. My way or the highway. It has to be like that to a certain degree unless you were hired as a consultant. I'm confident Mark will give good advice to the powers that be. I hope he can stand firm if that advice is ignored. You guys will not see me criticising MAC any more. I think it is time we learn to work together for the good of our industry. I think there has to be movement toward the center from all sides.
Mitch
 

naesco

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MAC said
The amount of collective knowledge here is incredible, it's too bad we can't all work together to achieve what we all know needs to be done.


Positively refreshing!
 

clarionreef

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Wayne, Mark et al.
The amount of knowledge represented here is incredible.... and also unsolicited.
Whoever is on staff of whatever group is already 'working together ' ...w/ members of the same group. ..are they not?
Whoevers on a payroll better be working a solid 8 hour plus day I would hope. Imagine how much you could get done if actually 'working' all day, all month, all year on this stuff! Any team of people on salary are already 'working together'. Are you suggesting that something is lacking on the team.?

Groups function pretty much like businesses and few businesses actually work together as they see each other as competitors.
The same goes for different philosophies or religions.
If you attempt to work together on someone elses turf, without sanction and invitation it can be called trespassing and barging in uninvited.
I think that there should be a free choice of efforts to endorse. No monopoly of power in an effort is healthy. Just look at the incredible variety of groups working in the aftermath of the tsunami!
Some, like OXFAM have very low administrative budgets and huge field budgets. Others are the reverse. Isn't it healthy to have the choice of which to support and believe in?
To ask for loyalty to a single destiny...a single party, a single group is dangerous. Professional competition is a better way and very Democratic.
There should be no fear of Democratic interplay in these things. In fact, the dialogue should be open, diverse and challenging.
Differences of opinion are not only healthy...they are essential to weeding out illogic, misinformation and larval...oops mission drift.
Several groups could come together to become stronger...its true. With that in mind, other groups should form.
Steve
 

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