• Why not take a moment to introduce yourself to our members?

A

Anonymous

Guest
Had a nice chat with Andreas Merkl, head of the CCIF, today. He was a pleasant fellow and I enjoyed talking to him. Here is what he had to say. The RPA (Reef Product Alliance) project has been pulled. It no longer exists in any form. It was an attempt to vertically integrate the marine exports through one US importer (SDC), but when the market crashed in 2001, the funding for the IFC was reduced and the project was canned. What was left of it merged into MAMTI. According to him, the purpose of MAMTI is to generate a supply of certified fish at the village level. MAMTI is the new initiative. Funded by the GEF, purpose is to generate a supply of certified fish at the village level. The three partners are MAC, CCIF, and Reef Check. MAC is head and receives the funding, CCIF will handle business training at the village level, and Reef Check will handle sustainability and management plans. He reiterated several times that 100% of all investment will be at the village level, through netting, setting up wall streets (holding pens) business training and working capital to allow the villagers to finance startups. I spoke with him about whether or not the proper netting would be provided and he simply said they had learned from the past and will not make the same mistakes (he didn’t know anything about netting so he couldn’t confirm what nets they would be providing, and referred that question to MAC.) He did understand that the netting would be expensive and that was primarily why there was a need for funding in the first place. I asked him if there was anything in MAMTI that would require these villages to sell their fish only to MAC certified wholesalers. He said there was nothing in MAMTI requiring it and that it was a free country, and as far as he knew the free market would dictate the supply. He did say that he could understand our frustration about the lack of a certified supply, and said that MAC was attempting to make sure that supply and demand rose at an equal level. He also understood that the whole thing heavily relies on MAC being able to create a “brand” of livestock.
 
A

Anonymous

Guest
Netting is expensive? Why funding is needed in the first place, gimme a break. These guys deal in MILLIONS, $50K would supply the entire world all types of netting for a long long time. Yah, thats MAC's job, um ok. All what, 10 - 30 MILLION will be invested at the village level? That's it, I'm moving to a village in the South Pacific.
 
A

Anonymous

Guest
From what I understand, they will be encouraging the villagers to set up their collections as a business. The netting will be provided as a cost of doing business, and they will be teaching the villagers basic accounting and business skills, as well as making sure that they plan ahead for future events (ie storm damage, slow periods, etc). The idea is that if they provide the nets they must also provide the proper business skills to make sure that the nets generate as much possible revenue as they can.
 
A

Anonymous

Guest
I understand all the quite well, my question is, $30 mil at the village level (he did say 100%)? Since netting is "expensive", just how much of the $30 mil will be netting? They are making it sound like netting is going to be a big % of their budget, but it is far cry from even being that. Less then 1% of the budget needs to be netting, if it's $30 mil we're in fact talking about.
 
A

Anonymous

Guest
I'm working on those answers. I talked to the CCIF who is incharge of the business training and investment in working capital, since MAC is the proverbial head, they ultimately set the budget and distribute the funds. The budget is in the MAMTI documents already posted if anyone wants to look through them to see of they posted any real netting numbers.
 

naesco

Advanced Reefer
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Who has the authority to get the netting that is held in a protective custody in the warehouse in the Philippines over to the MAC group?
 
A

Anonymous

Guest
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
With the funding MAC is receiving from the GEF I hardly doubt they need anyone to provide them with netting.
 
A

Anonymous

Guest
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
naesco":b4ava3b2 said:
Who has the authority to get the netting that is held in a protective custody in the warehouse in the Philippines over to the MAC group?

You are simply amazing! :roll:
 
A

Anonymous

Guest
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
GreshamH":2atbtw7v said:
I understand all the quite well, my question is, $30 mil at the village level (he did say 100%)? Since netting is "expensive", just how much of the $30 mil will be netting? They are making it sound like netting is going to be a big % of their budget, but it is far cry from even being that. Less then 1% of the budget needs to be netting, if it's $30 mil we're in fact talking about.

You are right Gresham.....they will spend 1% of the 30mil on netting and the rest will be spent on administrative fees associated with it. Hopefully they are selective on who to teach. You cannot teach and change the ways of people who do not want it changed.
 

clarionreef

Advanced Reefer
Location
San Francisco
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Guys,
They will never spend a single 1% on netting as that would still be $300,000.
In NGO reform tradition, the idea is to spend practically nothing on netting as you dummy up the office budget, travel, conferences, entertainment, salaries etc. and give out the spider web, misquito netting or shade cloth netting that convinces the divers to backslide and stick with cyanide.
There has not even been a netting budget to match any NGO office supply budget so far.
Just 1% of the 1 % you mentioned would still get the supply in place.
The netting is the cheapest thing in the budget and the head of CCIF saying that its expensive proves that he knows absolutely nothing about it.
There is no way to spend much more then even 20K to outfit 2,000 divers.
That would be the easiest thing to do because its a great deal easier to get the netting then actually train 2,000 divers.
The fact that netting supply has finally broken thru to become an issue is wonderful. It only took a decade.
Steve
 
A

Anonymous

Guest
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
I'm confused. One minute the netting isn't avaliable because it's too cost prohibitive and expensive, net funds and drives are organized to get enough money to be able to provide them. The minimums on the good stuff are too high, etc. Now you are saying it's so cheap that it wouldn't even be 1% of 1% in a budget of an organization planning on providing netting for an entire country of fishermen.

So which is it?
 

clarionreef

Advanced Reefer
Location
San Francisco
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Rover,
Its simple;
For no money grass roots efforts, raising 10 K to outfit divers to be trained is a larger task.

For the multi million dollar budgets feeding off this industry, the sum for this is simply a tiny part of the overall budget.

To really do something true...you'd need a competent training venue and the right kinds of nettings all at the same time.
This alignment has rarely occurred because all the significant projects have been run from outside the trade by outsiders "trying to understand all this confusing [ to them] stuff."

For regular, commercial net collectors of which we have many all over the world...this is all elementry.
Since they rarely if ever spend time on the net...we just never hear from them.
Steve
 
A

Anonymous

Guest
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Ah, I got the impression that you were denigrating them because they didn't set aside enough of their budget for netting. Knowing now that they can get the nest whenever they want, it seems we are back to the wait and see category.
 

dizzy

Advanced Reefer
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
PROBLEM IS SHORTAGE OF CAPACITY, NOT REVENUE SOURCES: PROPOSING A NEW APPROACH TO FINANCING PROTECTED AREAS

The shortage of funding for protected areas often spurs conservation planners to search for new revenue sources outside the conventional support realm of governments, donors, and multilateral agencies. But a strategy focused solely on new revenue generation is likely to fail, says Andreas Merkl, executive director of the US-based Conservation and Community Investment Forum (CCIF). A considerable pool of potential capital is actually available from conventional sources, he says. The real problem is that this capital is unlikely to be committed unless the capacity to deliver protected area services at a meaningful scale with unassailable accountability is dramatically improved over current levels.

"The combined pool of capital potentially available for biodiversity conservation and protected areas is vast," says Merkl, a former management consultant and investment banker. He cites the size of foreign-aid deals routinely struck by multilateral organizations, the size of endowments of major foundations, and the ability and need of multinational corporations to become major conservation funders in many countries. To access this capital, the conservation field must prove it has the capacity to accommodate it. While governments and NGOs have shown they can manage individual protected areas, he says, the effective management of entire networks has remained an elusive goal in the developing world. A new management entity - a professionally managed, conservation-focused, protected area management company - is therefore needed.

Merkl uses the marine national parks of Indonesia and the Philippines as an example: many of them are "paper parks", he says, lacking planning and enforcement. A CCIF cost analysis showed that for an endowment of US$175 million at 5% annual interest, it would be possible to develop functioning marine national parks for the countries, with fully implemented management plans and long-term benefits to fisheries from protected spawning areas. Merkl points out that several private philanthropists could singlehandedly provide this level of financing. "But who would they invest in?" he asks. "Who could deliver an integrated set of protected area services in Indonesia in a professional, transparent, and accountable fashion?" He says it has already become clear to NGOs working at the ecoregional scale that the legal, financial, operational and community aspects of planning and running an entire network of MPAs are so complex as to elude the abilities of any one organization.

What Merkl proposes is this: a nonprofit entity with the scale, expertise, independence, accountability, and transparency to coordinate investments ranging from small loans, to conservation concession agreements, to large scale protected area endowments, and everything in between. While it would contract with all the existing capacity in the field - including international NGOs, local groups, and government agencies - it would provide the full range of intermediary services required to attract meaningful investment. The management company would be run by personnel with significant operational experience in target countries and be assisted by a small staff of experts in law, operations, community development, and micro-finance.

Merkl compares the management company to a venture capital firm, with its rigor in defining and measuring outcomes; its flexibility; its transparency and accountability to funders and investors; and even its ability to de-fund underperforming investments.

He acknowledges that underlying the CCIF proposal is a call to put overall management of MPA networks in the hands of experienced private-sector professionals, not the biologists or other scientists who more typically manage sites. "This is more about the science of handling managerial complexity than about the science of fishery management," he says. "A highly experienced manager with a background in, for example, building multi-location manufacturing operations in Southeast Asia has a set of skills that matches pretty closely what we need."

A common criticism of top-down MPA management is that it ignores the interests of local stakeholders, thus limiting community buy-in to MPA management efforts and increasing enforcement costs. Merkl says the CCIF plan, although managed by a private-sector, third-party organization, would actually increase community buy-in. "The NGO community has probably been too reluctant to provide direct compensation for conservation," he says. "There is no reason why we should not use tools such as conservation concessions to provide structured compensation for short- and medium-term MPA-related resource losses to neighboring communities. A pragmatic, third-party management organization will be more amenable to using such instruments than NGOs have proven to be in the past." He adds that the private sector, particularly in Asia, arguably has more experience than any other sector in building community support for complex projects, although the track record is admittedly mixed for some extractive industries.

CCIF is still considering how many of these management companies would be needed worldwide. "Given the limits of complexity, my in-going hypothesis is that we probably need one management company for every major ecoregion," says Merkl. CCIF is now developing a full-fledged business model for an MPA management organization in the "Coral Triangle" of central Indonesia and the southern Philippines.

For more information:

Andreas Merkl, Conservation and Community Investment Forum, 423 Washington Street, 3rd Floor, San Francsco, CA 94111, USA. Tel: +1 415 421 4213; E-mail: [email protected]; Web: www.cciforum.org

Readers interested in applying the costing model that CCIF uses to calculate costs of MPA networks should contact Jason Winship at CCIF. Tel: +1 415 421 4213, ext. 19; E-mail: [email protected]
 

mkirda

Advanced Reefer
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Wow! 8O

Where was that piece found, Mitch?
And when was it dated? Back in the heady days when the Nas was over 5000?

I cannot think of another approach more likely to fail, other than rolling bundles of cash off the back of a truck as you drive through fishing villages.
Without true local buy-in, even a small local MPA will fail completely.

Ignore local cultures at your own peril.
You'd think that the puti would have learned that from Lapu-Lapu by now.

{shaking my head}

Mike Kirda
 

clarionreef

Advanced Reefer
Location
San Francisco
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
But Mike,
As Magellen stormed ashore on Mactan Island to enforce his demand for tribute...perhaps in the final seconds of his life he did in fact relize his mistake.
He somewhat underestimated the resolve, passion and capability of 'the locals' you might say.
His 'education' is lost to all who insist on repeating it.
Steve
 

Sponsor Reefs

We're a FREE website, and we exist because of hobbyists like YOU who help us run this community.

Click here to sponsor $10:


Top