MAC SPONSORS CONGRESSIONAL BAN ON NON MEMBERS

[Anonymous]

how can a private org regulate a gov't (trade) issue ?

Government's leadership in the Philippines has been nil to tackle the cyanide problem. The certification program being implemented by MAC is the only tool the filipino government has to regulate the trade of marine ornamentals.
Exporters in PI need to support it, otherwise they'll be out of business. Most of the exporters in the Philippines have neglected the coral reefs, the fish and the fish collectors for decades. Don't you think is time to stop it?

the problem, dear jaime, is that the regulation has nothing to do with helping/solving any of the issues-it's regulation strictly for the sake of revenue


do you honestly think that just forcing a stipend for a sticker will change the staus quo? :roll:

 

[Jaime Baquero]

how can a private org regulate a gov't (trade) issue ?

Government's leadership in the Philippines has been nil to tackle the cyanide problem. The certification program being implemented by MAC is the only tool the filipino government has to regulate the trade of marine ornamentals.
Exporters in PI need to support it, otherwise they'll be out of business. Most of the exporters in the Philippines have neglected the coral reefs, the fish and the fish collectors for decades. Don't you think is time to stop it?

the problem, dear jaime, is that the regulation has nothing to do with helping/solving any of the issues-it's regulation strictly for the sake of revenue

In order to export marine ornamental fish from the Philippines exporters must fulfill some requirements that would assure they are doing things right (contributing to maintain healthier reefs, offering better quality fish and lowering mortality rates). Those requirements are included in MAC certification program which can be used by the gvt to control/regulate the trade and are the base for change in the Pi.

 

[Anonymous]

:lol:

 

[Jaime Baquero]

8)

 

[clarionreef]

"Those requirements are included in MAC certification program ..."

By included, you mean written down, right?
Not shown, taught, demonstrated, implemented, accomplished, proven, held up for all to see and shown proudly in a powerpoint slideshow.

It was written down. :lol:
The easy part. In fact a part so incredibly easy to do that is is worthy of little more then a political campaign promise.

The worth of a program is in the implementation of it....not the printing of it!
Geeez lousie!

Included in my game plan is to win the lottery.
If its as easy as writing it down and including it in a proposal....I can start spending the money now right?
Steve

 

[clarionreef]

Jaime wrote;
Government's leadership in the Philippines has been nil to tackle the cyanide problem.

The right hand man of BFAR director, Sarmiento , for tropical fish policy has for years been Lino Alvarez.

The very same Lino Alvarez has been the MAC country coordinator for years.

Where else can you buy a Fisheries dept so inexpensively and have your entire agenda on top of the pile so often.

MAC had its way with the govt very cheap and unknown to Filipinos in this manner....but, the inability to make their incredible advantages work for them is simple testimony to the fact that if you neglect and fail to connect with the fisherman...you will not be very successful in converting them to your way of doing things.
Steve.

 

[mark@mac]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Cortez wrote:
"
This just in;

It is my dubious pleasure to inform you of MACs current and active efforts to have the Philippine congress ban the issuance of export permits to all who do not join them.

Thats right....they are attempting to win in the Philippine political arena that which they failed to win in the trade thru their own efforts....

Forcing themselves on all who shun them is now the primary strategy in the Philippines, as their fieldwork and their ability to connect with divers, dealers and exporters had won them few followers....and less respect.
They will deny this until exposed...AND ASKED DIRECTLY...but soon all will know.

A stalwart in the Manila exporters association has already resigned over it and there will be more to follow as the true colors are shown and their desperate, calculating and manipulative character is revealed .
Steve "

A stalwart in the Manila exporters association has already resigned over it and there will be more to follow as the true colors are shown and their desperate, calculating and manipulative character is revealed .

OK, someone asked "what are the false statements?"

These statements are so far from the truth it's funny! MAC has not approached the gov here. and no certified exporters have quit, revolted or done anything to that effect..... I am personally working with all of them who have become certified. Their biggest problem is there are not enough fish yet for all of them, but they realize that this program is the right thing to do, or at least a better direction than the alternative....

To put it "nicely": This is simply anti-MAC progaganda.

Mark

ps, i really like the part about "until their desperate, calculating and manipulative character is revealed ." How dramatic! : )

 

[clarionreef]

MAC has not approached the gov here.

Lino of BFAR was your government connection there for many years. He shares the directors office and has been behind the scenes of a hundred political initiatives. You have no idea how long this thing was coming or who was behind it;

I am personally working with all of them who have become certified.

Mark!
Many of the exporters detest MAC. What do you mean that you are working with all of them??!!
Thats so ridiculous a statement as to be laughable.
Being new to things there, you have the luxury of plausible deniability and can always say [ and have at times ] that you didn't know what happened prior....so don't speak in such absolute terms.
Steve
PS. Really, the official public prestense is not the same as the real feeling or the truth.

 

[mark@mac]

cortez writes:
quote from Mark: "I am personally working with all of them who have become certified."

Cortez writes:
Mark!
Many of the exporters detest MAC. What do you mean that you are working with all of them??!!
Thats so ridiculous a statement as to be laughable.
Being new to things there, you have the luxury of plausible deniability and can always say [ and have at times ] that you didn't know what happened prior....so don't speak in such absolute terms.
Steve
PS. Really, the official public prestense is not the same as the real feeling or the truth."

Steve,
reread what was written. once again you misquote! I said I am personally working with "ALL EXPORTERS WHO HAVE BECOME CERTIFIED"....... NOT ALL OF THE EXPORTERS...
sure MANY detest MAC. namely those who don't want mortality limits, or accountability, etc.

this is the kind of bs and accusations that make me think being here is just a waste of my time and may be I should just get back to work.....

 

[clarionreef]

I said I am personally working with "ALL EXPORTERS WHO HAVE BECOME CERTIFIED"....... NOT ALL OF THE EXPORTERS...
sure MANY detest MAC. namely those who don't want mortality limits, or accountability, etc

MarK,
THE LAST MEETING OF CERTIFIED DEALERS IN MANILA DID NOT GO WELL AT ALL.
Certified exporters didn't take kindly to the threat of banning them if they didn't join MAC. The congresional bill being introduced will do that.
Peter Chen openly defied being ushered into lockstep like that and there was plenty of disenchantment with the whole thing.
In fact, He threatened to rescind his certification...

Funny, bills and rules are popping up suddenly all over the world to ban players who don't play with MAC.
The USA, Tonga, Fiji, even Mexico, and I know what you plan for Indonesia.....
Then again you may not even be in the loop..

Theres just a lot of non-Mac, non-aquarium , pro-MAC people out there pushing for MAC.... :roll:

Then again you say MAC had nothing to do with it all.
Of course.

Steve