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coralfarmin

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Hi, despite my past opinions on Mac certification costs, etc, I have noticed a trend toward the promotion of Mac certification by suppliers who are the best IMO.

I am starting the construction of a small freestanding commercial greenhouse.

I have decided to keep its size to a minimum to start (20x30) and grow as needed.

Obviously a project this size can't afford to absorb the high cost of Mac certification, we are located on the East Coast.

I would like to know is there anything I can do, like follow the exact guide lines that they require, and sent them pics of the system setup, in lieu of actualy flying a cetifier out to see what the pics would show anyway, to get certification.Or is the few k investment the only way.I could invest in sophisticated data logging equitment for the cost of the certs visit, then just give them a link to the spread sheets.

Though initaly this would not be in the budget either.
 

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MAC does not have standards in place to be followed. You have to record YOUR best practices, give them to MAC, and then stick to them. In other words, you aren't required to do things well, or right, only consistently.

It's somewhat similar to ISO certification.

I wouldn't waste my time if I were you.

Jenn
 
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What level of cetification? Retail or wholesale? IMO save your money, it won't do anything for you BUT cost money.

There's no way around paying to play with MAC. MAC is money hungry ;) Certification is *supposed* to pay for MAC's efforts in the long run, but with a several million dollar operating budget, I doubt that'll ever happen. They'll never be able to cut the imbillical cord so to speak.
 

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I dont know what to say....

You can get online degrees/certification for alot of stuff....mabey they should setup something like that for the rest of us who want to be certified.

and play ball
 
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coralfarmin":3b3737rx said:
I dont know what to say....

You can get online degrees/certification for alot of stuff....mabey they should setup something like that for the rest of us who want to be certified.

and play ball

Ignore the professional grant "Moochers" and take the advice of the people here and save yourself the money of a "certification." What a joke.
 

coralfarmin

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thanks Jenn & Gresham also

I'd still like for Mac to make it more possible some way for enough people to get involved, to actualy make some differance

I really would like to jump thru the hoops...just not at a few k price tag
 
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coralfarmin":2ten6dhg said:
I'd still like for Mac to make it more possible some way for enough people to get involved, to actualy make some differance

...and while we're wishing, I'd like a pony.

Peace,

Chip
 

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"get involved, to actualy make some differance?"
Huh?
The private sector in coral farming is light years ahead of any bumbling groups ability to prescribe for, improve and enhance it.
Steve
The same group you refer to tried to get a foot in the door of the huge poisoned live food fish market in Hong Kong as well. Do they know the slightest thing about it?
Of course not. But anything that generates cash is approached to try and hitch a wagon to.
Certified used Toyotas means something. At least there are cars to certify.
In MACs case....there are no cars to certify...its the certifier itself that seeks your validation.
They need the help....its not the reverse.
Steve
 

coralfarmin

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Just trying to follow suit here Cortez

lol

They can't be that bad lol.

If hitching a wagon means using suppliers that are Mac certified and have high quality stock, & wanting to utilize their shipping and husbandtry expectations to ensure the same quality to endusers

yes
 

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If hitching a wagon means using suppliers...who pray tell are these theoretical,mythical suppliers?

and have high quality stock, & wanting to utilize their shipping and husbandtry expectations to ensure the same quality to endusers
Ultra hypothetical and not happening.... :P

you are confusing concept with reality....as have many people with environmentally sweet intentions.
You know, like dreaming of winning the lottery is a simple thing....and yet winning it...a virtual impossibility.

The writing of the concept from interviewing actual players is the easy part.
Actualizing it using amatuers is the impossible part. Kinda like sending a poodle to do a pit bulls job. You can already tell how its going to turn out.
Every collector I know...knows this and laughs at the MAC stuff.....and thats because they are actually regarding the gulf between concept and reality.
Steve
 

coralfarmin

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huh
but there are great certified exporters/importers so how are they mythical

I don't get it

not trying to start nothin, just dont get what you are saying there

I know there are great non certified exporters/importers also, but saying something is certified and it being "just that" is worth something to people not as seasoned in the trade and politics of the trade as you

it being labled, thats all they really care about, they dont turn over every stone about Mac, they just look as the cert lable as kinda like a warranty I'd guess,imo
 

coralfarmin

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If you are asking me to tell you the supplier who I think is great, and is certified PM me, since that is not appropriate in this forum
 

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Maybe the supplier that you think is great, is great in spite of being MAC certified... or was great long before becoming certified.
 

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CF writes:
I know there are great non certified exporters/importers also...
Great :lol: ???
....first of all its not livestock thats certified...its how well you clean your filters and change U/V bulbs etc. Facility certification means that you stick to the things you say you stick to...according to you when the "zero knowledge of the aquarium trade" certifier comes calling.

Second....they themselves do not value their sticker as much as you do....and in private make jokes about it as a get out of jail free card...for those that think the stickers count....generally outsiders.

Steve
 

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UNITED STATES...certified facilities

A&M Aquatics
16260 National Parkway
Lansing, Michigan 48906 USA
Tel. +1 517 321-7258
Fax +1 517 703-9688
Email [email protected]

Quality Marine
5420 West 104th Street
Los Angeles, California 90045 USA
Tel. +1 310 645-1107
Email [email protected]

Sea Dwelling Creatures
5515 West 104th Street
Los Angeles, California,nCA 90054
Tel +1 310 676 9697
Fax +1 310 676 9699
Email: [email protected]

Segrest Farms
PO Box 758
Gibsonton, Florida 33534 USA
Tel: +1 813 677 9196
Fax: +1 813 677 4842
Email: info@segrestfarms.

Which of the greats did you mean?
Its a short list...roughly one importer per year and a half spent ...and the money squandered....you don't even wanna know.

If run with credibility....if genuine and competent, the list could be dozens long. The criticism is not from the intention but the faulty
implementation.
The group claimed that they had the talent and the wherewithall to do the job. When no where near the claimed assets are in evidence...this is called loan fraud or perjury or false witness or worse .
Millions drained and scant dozens trained falls so far short of the goals and ability claimed as to constitute something that should be investigated. :cry:

Misleading "poor innocent" funders and /or dealers to seperate them from their money is the real talent here. In this we all agree, MAC has no equal.
Steve
 

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coralfarmin":2g44c5dk said:
huh
but there are great certified exporters/importers

There are good to great suppliers, both certified and not.
There are also certified suppliers that I have confidentially heard are not so great - as in their fish suck, certified or not. I'm not naming names.

If certified = great, then we'd have something to talk about. But until certified = something, it means very, very little.

The concept may be good, but the devil is in the details. And the implementation.

Mike
 

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