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PeterIMA

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July 27, 2005

Congressman Ed Case

Protecting the world’s coral reefs
Case today also reintroduced “The Coral Reef Conservation and Protection Act,” which he originally submitted in Congress last year, to preserve and protect coral reef ecosystems from private and commercial activities threatening coral and reef fish species in U.S. waters and around the world. The bill prohibits collection or interstate commerce of certain coral reef species in waters under U.S. jurisdiction as well as the import of such species except under strict conditions.

“This bill establishes a much-need comprehensive strategy for domestic and international protection of our world’s coral reefs,” said Case. “We in Hawaii are fortunate to have living, albeit threatened, coral reefs. But coral reefs, especially in the temperate zone of the Pacific, are being destroyed by over-fishing, dynamiting, and cyanide poisoning of marine life.”

The bill outlines a plan to develop a coordinated national strategy for conservation and management of coral reef ecosystems with international participation. The bill also proposes enforcement provisions, including penalties, fines or forfeitures of property which would fund a reward system that supports arrests or convictions resulting from violations of prohibited activities under the bill. In addition, the bill would establish a national Coral Reef Task Force to coordinate conservation and management of coral reef ecosystems and convene, for one year, a public-private advisory group which would develop a national strategy for conservation and management of coral reef species and ecosystems.
 

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....and convene, for one year, a public-private advisory group which would develop a national strategy for conservation and management of coral reef species and ecosystems.

Now who could that be....
Congressman Cases... sisters... tenants? ie. MAC?
Just a wild guess.
Steve
 
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Isn't there all ready a CRTF in place, am I wrong?

Is this one a lame duck as well? Can a Democrat even push anything thru right now? Is there even a Democrat party any longer?
 

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Hi

I have a few questions, but being from the south where we are known for a slower pace life , I am not up to speed on the politics surrounding the hobby, so please understand, these questions may sound dumb.

Ok

First, what does " except under strict conditions mean" (ie) what kinda conditions?

Next, what does "public-private" mean?

Also, I assume that the import banns are not ment for the stock that is aquired from mariculture farms?

Clams would still be plentiful and excluded?

Does the cyanide actuly damage the corals on the reef also or just the fish?
 
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Cyanide does more then "actuly" damage the corals, it kills the corals upon contact ;) It also kills anything else living around it, unless the "dilution" cloud isn't strong enough (that was for kalk). The smaller the animal, the larger the effect on it.

Public-private IIRC IMO is government and private groups, like MAC and NOAA, working together.

Import bans would be across the board IMO ;) You'd have to jump thru many hoops to import after that.

Clams area CITES article II, no exclusion there IMO.

Strict conditions are just that, strict. IMO it means public aquariums, science, etc, but not commercial.

Just a thought, why not google the bill and read it's intent? Search RDO, this came up last time the bill was introduced last year.
 
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1 second of google got me this:

http://www.icriforum.org/List/Thread.cfm?MessageID=674

Date: Aug 16, 2004 11:53 AM Author: ICRI Administrator
Subject: New bill (HR4928) introduced to address international coral reef trade

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Last month, the Coral Reef Conservation and Protection Act of 2004 (HR 4928) was introduced in the House by Congressman Ed Case of Hawaii. The introduced bill proposes to regulate the collection of ornamental corals and fish from U.S. coral reefs and regulate the international trade of coral reef species into and out of the U.S. The aim of the bill is to promote more responsible use of valuable coral reef resources, conserve coral reef biodiversity and protect coral reefs from destructive fishing and collection practices. Both U.S. and international coral reefs would benefit from the proposed measures. A copy of the bill is attached.
Towards this aim, the proposed bill advances several significant, new fisheries management approaches in an effort to relief coral reefs from the unsustainable collection of coral and reef fish, as well as
destructive fishing practices that harm the habitat.

New management approaches advocated in the bill include:

shifting the burden of proof onto commercial users of resources,
requiring demonstration of sustainable management and use,
requiring an ecosystem-based approach to management, and
requiring certification that no destructive fishing practices were used.
Key provisions of the proposed bill and potential relevance to management:


For wild coral and ornamental fish: Before coral and ornamental fish can be collected, imported into or exported out of the U.S., a sustainable management plan must be pre-approved that demonstrates that the collection is sustainable and does not harm the functional role of the species in the ecosystem. This management approach "shifts the burden of proof," i.e. the burden of proof that no harm is being done would rest upon commercial users of the reef resources.

For coral and ornamental fish from mariculture or cooperative breeding programs: Before coral and ornamental fish can be exported out of or imported into the U.S., the mariculture facility must be pre-qualified. The facility must demonstrate that it is operating in an environmentally appropriate manner that is not detrimental to the species in the wild and does not harm existing ecosystems, such as by introducing non-indigenous species or pathogens.

For all coral reef species: Before any coral reef species, including non-ornamental species, can be imported into or exported out of the U.S., individual importers and exporters must certify that the collection did not involve destructive fishing practices, such as the use of poisons, explosives or dredging. This certification by individual importers and exporters is a self-certifying process, and would allow the U.S. to prosecute individuals for falsifying documents. However, exporters and importers may be more secure by participating in some certification scheme, such as that of the Marine Aquarium Council or an independent cyanide testing facility. The proposed bill may stimulate demand by exporters and importers for cyanide testing labs and increase their willingness to help pay for the testing costs. Such a requirement by importing countries would help source countries, many of whom are developing countries, implement their own laws against destructive fishing practices.
Calls for a Federal Advisory Group: A federal Advisory Group - consisting of individuals representing public and private organizations affected by the proposed bill, including scientists, NGOs, collectors, traders, and those involved in mariculture and cooperative breeding programs -- would be formed to advise on the criteria and indicators for the conservation and sustainable management of coral reef ecosystems. Topics may include: what a sustainable management should encompass, which collection methods should be considered as "destructive," and guidelines for the capture, commercial transport and handling of coral reef species. In addition to the use of poisons, explosives and dredging, other types of fishing practices could be considered as "destructive" or harmful to habitats, such as bottom-trawling.

Calls for U.S. leadership in conserving coral reefs ecosystems and promoting an ecosystem-based approach: The Secretary of the Interior and Secretary of Commerce, in coordination with the Coral Reef Task Force and consultation with the Advisory Group, would coordinate a national strategy for the conservation and sustainable management of coral reef species and ecosystems. The proposed bill also calls for the Department of State and the U.S. Agency for International Development to encourage policies and implement programs to promote the conservation and sustainable management of coral reef ecosystems in other parts of the world.

Grant exceptions for scientific, museum, or zoological purposes: With prior approval, coral reef species may be collected, imported or exported for scientific purposes, museum purposes, or for zoological breeding or display.

Includes enforcement and incentive provisions: The bill also proposes enforcement provisions, including penalties, fines or forfeitures of property which would fund a reward system to any person who provides information leading to an arrest or conviction for violations of prohibited activities under the bill.
Here are the answers to several frequently asked questions about this proposed bill:


Does this bill propose to "ban" the marine aquarium trade? No, the purpose of this proposed bill is not to "ban" trade, but to "regulate" it. The international trade in many coral reef species is largely unregulated, illegal and unreported. Most countries do have laws that prohibit the use of poisons and other destructive fishing practices, but illegally collected reef animals are still entering the international trade. Major importers of coral reef animals, such as the U.S., are creating the demand that is driving the use of illegal and destructive practices, as well as overfishing.
The first step in regulating an activity is usually to prohibit it; then the activity can be regulated through stipulating under what conditions a permit or license will be granted so that the activity may proceed. For example, driving a car is prohibited in the U.S., unless one has a license. Each state regulates what conditions must be met to receive a driver's license, such as age, physical ability, knowledge of driving rules, etc. This bill proposes that collection in U.S. waters and the import into and export out of the U.S. of coral reef species be regulated to promote sustainable management and to reduce the use of destructive practices, such as cyanide use.


Was this bill proposed by the U.S. Coral Reef Task Force? No, the bill was introduced into the U.S. House of Representatives by Congressman Ed Case of Hawaii. The Congressman's office issued a press release which is available at
http://www.house.gov/case/press_release ... 04-56.html. Congressman Case is very concerned about the health and status of Hawaiian reefs and the pressures placed on reefs from largely unregulated collection and the introduction of invasive species. Congressman Case is also concerned about the role that U.S. consumer demand is placing on international reefs and believes that the U.S. has a responsibility for promoting sustainable management internationally.
In the press release, Congressman Case mentions that that the proposed bill builds upon previous recommendations made by the U.S. Coral Reef Task Force. In introducing the bill, Congressman Case states, "The Coral Reef Conservation and Protection Act of 2004 I gratefully introduce today embodies the principal directions of the Task Force and more. It establishes a comprehensive scheme for the domestic and international protection of our world's coral reef ecosystems. The regime's key ingredients are the disallowal of any domestic taking, transport in interstate commerce, or import of the endangered marine life of our coral reefs, unless that life is collected in nondestructive ways or subject to sustainable management plans or otherwise exempted from coverage by administrative actions. Mr. Speaker, we have to start somewhere; our world's coral reefs are crying out for our help."

Please note that in the U.S., the introduction of bills is the
responsibility of the Legislative Branch of government. The U.S. Coral Reef Task Force is an entity of the Executive Branch of the government and does not have the authority to introduce bills or legislation. The U.S. Coral Reef Task Force can only make recommendations on the need for new measures.


Why is there concern about the international trade in coral reef animals? Extensive documentation shows that international trade in coral reef animals, for both the ornamental markets (aquaria, curios and jewelry) and food fish markets, is driving unsustainable collection and
destructive fishing practices in many countries, including the U.S. This international trade is largely unregulated and in many cases illegal. Over 1500 species are collected from coral reefs for the marine aquarium trade alone. Many of these species are known to be inappropriate for the trade in that the animals do not survive in aquaria, grow too large, or are poisonous. Many other species are rare, endemic or endangered. International trade is also endangering the health of collectors through unsafe diving practices and the need to dive deeper as animals in shallow reefs are depleted.
The U.S. is the number one importer of coral reef animals and products for marine aquaria, curio and jewelry -- the U.S. imports 60- 80% of the live coral, over 50% of the curio coral, and 95% of the live rock and reef substrate in international trade each year. As a major importer, the U.S. bears responsibility for addressing its role in this trade and promoting more responsible and sustainable trade. Evidence indicates that the import of coral reef animals in to the U.S. is increasing, especially of such products as live rock and coral, placing further pressures on reefs. For example, the trade in coral for aquaria has increased 400% since 1988, while the trade in liverock has increased 1700% during that same time period. Many of the ornamental fish imported into the U.S. are still caught with cyanide, causing further degradation of reefs.

The International Working Group of the U.S. Coal Reef Task Force has continued to highlight the issues associated with the international trade of coral reef species and has developed a comprehensive strategy for addressing these trade issues. (For additional information, please see the report International Trade in Coral and Coral reef Species: The Role of the United States at http://coralreef.gov.international/documents.cfm) The working group has also produced an information sheet which gives an overview of what is known about the status of coral reefs and the international trade in coral reef animals.

http://www.icriforum.org/Uploads/Case_coral_bill.pdf
 
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Most countries do have laws that prohibit the use of poisons and other destructive fishing practices, but illegally collected reef animals are still entering the international trade. Major importers of coral reef animals, such as the U.S., are creating the demand that is driving the use of illegal and destructive practices, as well as overfishing

huh, most, if not all, destructive fishing practices are illegal in both Indo and PI, where they're being employeed the most. That's odd that the CRST doesn't know that 8O Just where is is cool/legal to use juice? We're the only nation that issues permits to use juice (quin) to collect fish :roll:
 
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Nah, the 27th was a wednesday and had nothing to do with Canada saving the world ;)
 

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Funny how they never even mention CITES and that they are already doing what the bill proposes with coral .
Or why Hawaiian reefs are sick? Will a hotel on the beach be responsible for proving that its not to blame for the reefs off its beaches being sick?
Why is it that this industry seems to be the only one elaborated on in the preface?
SOUNDS FISHY?
Or it sounds like some one attempting to not save the reefs , but to establish a racket .
 

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The racket ...
was helped along by a few operators who were willing to turn on their own and give MAC the stakeholder pretense it needed to "represent" the trade.
Failing to connect with the industry on its own merits...MAC used a few tokens as representatives and consultants.

These "posers" did this out of their own inferiority complexes and the validation that MAC gave them as 'players' at last.

Although I may have been the first to sound the alarm in photos and in print so long ago...I denounce this abuse of legitamate issues for the creation of a gravy train /business chain to aggrandize incompetents, phoneys and carpetbaggers.

Their final solution...ie this forced march into compliance is on and goes forth in stark contrast to the total failure of MAC to convert any cyanide fisherman...despite millions spent on the issue.
They figured they would have solved the problem of production by now...and the rest would be easy.
Having ruined the reform momentum by tainting it with endless stories of waste, incompetence, mis-fires, angry resignations, being thrown out of villages, denounced by fishermans unions and a complete no-show of the requisite netting and training talent....they have become synonomous with white elephants and fraud.
They were granted money on the basis of claimed ability to deliver when they never had anywhere near the ability.
This is akin to loan fraud and in the pursuit of grant money ,must have a counterpart.
If this were not true, we would be flush with netcaught certified fish by now. There are netcaught suppliers...but they are not MAC suppliers.
And most of them will never be.
Perhaps MAC has shown us the need for competition....and the need to develop a genuine certification project instead of a silly one with no chance of ever becoming real.
In lieu of 98% paperwork and 2% 'training"...we could offer the fisherfolk real training and 2% paperwork.
They'd all choose it over the MAC bookkeeping model.
Steve

Co-founder of IMA
hence, CO-father of bastard child that has mutated into MAC.
:cry: for that I am sorry
 
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other types of fishing practices could be considered as "destructive" or harmful to habitats, such as bottom-trawling

Dang, Mr Case should look in his countries OWN backyard. Just how does he think the shrimp he consumes come from? Hand caught? Line caught? Might I suggest a slurp gun? :x

Like our fisheries are all that managed and sustainable. Where do we come off telling some other country they suck, when we suck even worse? Canada is just as bad Neasco, so I'll cut it off here :lol:


Now if there was an out right ban on the curios trade, I sure wouldn't cry, in fact, where do I sign up :D
 

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In addition to the use of poisons, explosives and dredging, other types of fishing practices could be considered as "destructive" or harmful to habitats, such as bottom-trawling.

These are buzzwords...indicative of bogus research and cut & pasting of sound-bites from inept sources.

I'm going out into the field [ Tonga] soon, but out of respect to Mr Case, I will reduce the usual collecting with exposives, dredging and bottom trawling that we usually employ to catch lemonpeel angels and bristletooth tangs. :roll:

Suzzane, you really COACHED your bro well on the issues, heh?

Steve
 
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<customer>
How was that yellow tang collected?

<LFS employee>
Invoice said bottom trawled from 300'

<customer>
Ah, how about that tri color birds nest?

<LFS employee>
Bottom trawled from 300' as well

<customer>
Umm, how bout that acro and Bellus angel? They don't seem right?

<LFS employee>
They were from one of our wholesalers that likes to buy BLASTED fish, good ol ammonium nitrate and desial fuel :D

<customer>
Ahh, that explains the entire right side of the fish being red while swimming in circles, and all the rubble

<LFS employee>
We charge by the ounce for acro frags from blast fishing ;)
 
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I know for a fact Steve teaches divers how to bottom trawl. In fact, he taught me :D

I just can't empoyee it, till I get my $100K trawler in action ;) Soon as that, BAM, s. Pac. here I come :D
 
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9. H.R.3469 : To prohibit the import, export, and take of certain coral reef species, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Case, Ed [HI-2] (introduced 7/27/2005) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: House Resources; House Ways and Means; House International Relations
Latest Major Action: 8/8/2005 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Fisheries and Oceans.

Don'tja just love how it's worded? :roll:

Coralfarmin, this is for you...................
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D ... p/~bdhGuD::

And would you plaheeeze stop with the southernisms.........yant doin i righ. <born and raised in the south, and florida don't count as south>
 
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H.R.3469
Title: To prohibit the import, export, and take of certain coral reef species, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Case, Ed [HI-2] (introduced 7/27/2005) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 8/8/2005 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Fisheries and Oceans.
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ALL ACTIONS: (color indicates Senate actions)
7/27/2005:
Introductory remarks on measure. (CR E1646)
7/27/2005:
Referred to the Committee on Resources, and in addition to the Committees on Ways and Means, and International Relations, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned.
7/27/2005:
Referred to House Resources
8/8/2005:
Referred to the Subcommittee on Fisheries and Oceans.
7/27/2005:
Referred to House Ways and Means
7/27/2005:
Referred to House International Relations
 

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As the previous poster (Knowse) noted the new bill by Congressman Ed Case has a different number (HR3469) than the one allocated when this legislation was submitted for review during 2004.

Use the link provided by Gresham to get to the web site of Congressman Case, then click on the button "Legislation" then select 109th Congress. Scroll down the list of house bills to HR3469.

If you wish to see lasts year's bill click on 108th Congress, then scroll down to HR4928.

I quickly read the new bill, it appears very similar to HR4928. I plan to analyze them further to ascertain how they differ. I will post HR3469 later today.

Peter Rubec
 
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I'd like everyone to note that he still lacks a co-sponsor for the bill. It's an act of a lone democrat. IMO, in this day and age, w/o a co-sponsor and being a demo, it's just another lame duck bill.
 

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