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StevenPro":10x4kuuo said:
galleon":10x4kuuo said:
SciGuy2":10x4kuuo said:
Is it legal for most of us to have an Acropora palmata in a private collection? Perhaps as a hitchhiker on LR?

Tricky question. The correct answer is that it depends. That being the case, it is now one of the rarest corals in the Caribbean, with very low fecundity and very specific, narrow habitat tolerances. You won't be finding it on any live rock. Also, only one person in the world is successfully growing it to the point of propagating it. Eric very likely would have been the second. Among those that have failed with it include Dirk Peterson of Rotterdam Zoo, the pioneer of captive coral reproduction.

The A. palmata is at his lab, not at his home.

Steven, are you sure? The way he worded his first post in the thread, it sounded like the palmata thriving was in his crashed system.
 
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nanocat":g04jbmku said:
manny":g04jbmku said:
Finally, I am not much for revenge personally, but I have participated in some serious planning sessions on how to pull some pretty diabolical actions against a person...


....Unless the perp told someone (and any good planner knows you don't involve anyone or brag about something like this), they will never catch him.


In otherwords the planning sessions you sat in on weren't led by very skilled perps? :lol:

Funny that you mention that, but I it's happened twice that I've been with a group of people planning something criminal with the sole intent of harming a person's life, and both times I told the group that they were all stupid for involving more than the absolute lowest number of people necessary. Best thing is to involve no one but yourself. When the police get involved in something and a group of five people is involved, the chances of someone giving something away or some stories not matching is very high.

I think the only chance of this person getting caught is if he brags about it or if he involved some friends in planning and perpetrating the act. If he keeps quiet and did it all alone, there is no way they can prove it, short of a confession.
 
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StevenPro":1mifh7om said:
The A. palmata is at his lab, not at his home.

It sounds very much like this was not the case:

Eric Borneman":1mifh7om said:
I went to lab this morning and had Acropora palmata thriving and corals over a foot across. Came home tonight to the tank cloudy and salinity of 15ppt.
 

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nanocat":1w3mg2mk said:
manny":1w3mg2mk said:
Finally, I am not much for revenge personally, but I have participated in some serious planning sessions on how to pull some pretty diabolical actions against a person...


....Unless the perp told someone (and any good planner knows you don't involve anyone or brag about something like this), they will never catch him.


In otherwords the planning sessions you sat in on weren't led by very skilled perps? :lol:
"Skilled" perps would not use an obvious fresh water dip to carry out this crime.
A true pro would have used a heavy metal or Bromide of which would be almost impossible to test for. A garden hose in the sump for a few hours would be a hard event to pin on incompetence by the tending hobbyists.
A pro trying to frame Eric, would have much more efficient means in which to culpify Borneman.
This would have to have been some one who couldnt think of a better way and didnt know wether the house alarm system might be armed.
 
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Kalkbreath":2qutidfa said:
nanocat":2qutidfa said:
manny":2qutidfa said:
Finally, I am not much for revenge personally, but I have participated in some serious planning sessions on how to pull some pretty diabolical actions against a person...


....Unless the perp told someone (and any good planner knows you don't involve anyone or brag about something like this), they will never catch him.


In otherwords the planning sessions you sat in on weren't led by very skilled perps? :lol:
"Skilled" perps would not use an obvious fresh water dip to carry out this crime.
A true pro would have used a heavy metal or Bromide of which would be almost impossible to test for. A garden hose in the sump for a few hours would be a hard event to pin on incompetence by the tending hobbyists.
A pro trying to frame Eric, would have much more efficient means in which to culpify Borneman.
This would have to have been some one who couldnt think of a better way and didnt know wether the house alarm system might be armed.


I didn't say the guy was a friggin cat burgler or a chemist. :lol:

Without some prior knowledge or some serious research, the fresh water method would be pretty clean, simple, and difficult to prove.

I wouldn't know which metals would be good enough to kill the tank, but also difficult to test for. I would think you could figure out if there were metals in the water.

Also, you couldn't chalk up the entire tank dropping dead of some poison (even something you couldn't easily test for) to an RO unit malfunction. If Mr. Borneman had started a thread stating that his entire tank sself destructed and everything was dead in minutes, no one would be questioning whether his auto top off malfunctioned. Look how many people in this thread debated whether or not this was just an equipment problem.


And, on a more diabolical note, a poisoned tank is done for. There is no hope of fixing it. A really freaky person would want this guy to go through the trouble of struggling to save whatever he could for days. :twisted: Although I don't really think it is the case, I can picture a person thinking that way. :?
 

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