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PeterIMA

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From the Citizen KeysNews

Officials try to clarify new rules on corals
BY TIMOTHY O'HARA

Citizen Staff


Federal officials implementing "threatened species" rules for elkhorn and staghorn corals sat down with Florida Keys tropical fish collectors, trap fishermen, dive boat operators and conservationists Wednesday to try to quell fears of new and onerous regulations or more no-fishing areas.

Keys fishermen, divers and coral researchers want clarification from the National Marine Fisheries Service as they try to understand the complicated rules designed to protect the two main reef-building corals of the Keys. One rule defines "critical habitat" and the other sets up protections and exemptions for research.

Commercial trap fishermen fear more limits will be placed on an industry that already is heavily regulated and the target of a state trap-reduction program. Jeff Cramer, a trap fisherman and board member of the Florida Keys Commercial Fishermen's Association, called for fairness and asked the Fisheries Service representative what in the two rules addresses recreational fishermen dropping anchors on coral — or careless divers injuring corals.

The federal government is considering language that encourages such programs as Blue Star of the Florida Keys National Marine Sanc-tuary. That program recognizes eco-friendly dive operators who warn patrons not to touch, step on or remove coral, and who explain coral reef ecosystems to their customers.

There is no proposed language in the rules that calls for such programs to be mandatory, said Jennifer Moore, who is working on the rules for National Marine Fisheries Service.

The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission also was represented at the meetings this week. The state agency and its federal counterparts are discussing what is known as a Section 10 permit, which would allow for "incidental" impact on coral from commercial trapping. The permit would give the fishermen some immunity. Trap fishing has been recognized as a possible threat. Fishermen generally don't drop traps on reefs, but the traps can be carried onto a reef tract by storms.

Keys conservationists, fishermen and divers also want to make sure the government targets larger threats, such as pollution and global warming.

Those concerns were echoed by the Centers for Biological Diversity, which sued the Bush administration in an effort to force it to address global warming. The center's attorney, Miyoko Sakashita, wants to see more language in the critical habitat rule that addresses global warming, which she describes as "definitely one of the key threats now, and will be in the future." Sakashita applauded the Fisheries Service for designating critical habitat.

The area designated as critical habitat by the rule runs from West Palm Beach to the Dry Tortugas. The Fisheries Service also identified habitat areas off Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands.

"Habitat and substrate are important, but the critical habitat rule does not address water temperature," Sakashita said. "They defined the scope of critical habitat too narrowly. Water quality and specific temperature is essential to corals. This needs to be part of the critical habit rule."

The habitat rule does not address companies that emit greenhouse gases or those upstream from coral habitat that produce runoff. But the rule dealing with protections may have the teeth to hold power companies and other forms of industry that pollute accountable, according to the Fisheries Service.

"For these types of activities there is a federal nexus that handles that," said Moore of the Fisheries Service. "The [Environmental Protection Agency] sets air quality standards, and that agency would have to determine if there is an effect on threatened or endangered species."

In July, the Fisheries Service empaneled a team of experts to come up with a recovery plan. The group will meet for a week in September, Moore said. In the months that follow, National Marine Fisheries Service will come up with a plan.

"This will be a blueprint for recovery with specific actions for conservation," Moore said. "There will be specific actions that are needed for each locality or region."

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Kalkbreath

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Global warming is a crock.
The Polar Ice sheets are have come back to 98% .(Dec.08 NOAA)
The past five years 2002-2007 are below normal in the way of world temps, so the Global Warming fad is soooo 1990s!
Night time temperatures have never shown any increase during the past 100 years .... Only the day time temps have slightly risen in isolated parts of the world. Temps over the past 100 years in the USA or Europe you have actually shown a decrease in recorded temps ,.... so it make many wonder if this has all been about 3rd world temperature reader errors and localized 3rd world de forestation in and around the official temperature recording boxes.

And it doesn't take a science degree to see the real culprit is out side our human control or influences.

All temporary warming has been due to the increased out put of the Sun (onlyday time temps is clear proof of this)

..........and the freak en Key are still dying because no one is willing to address the real reasons for their polyp demise.

The Keys started dying long ago in the late 1970 when the worlds scientists tried to convince us pseudo intellects that the World was surly heading into global cooling!( Time Magazine 1972)

Now keep in mind that the Florida Keys corals and reefs thrived only for a relatively short time starting about 1920s to 1975 .
The coral first noticeable rebounded began during the time that Henry Flagler and his bulldozer was clear cutting the islands and building the Roads and 90 mile long Railroad connecting all the islands , so people could clear cut even more land and build even more human encroachments!
The coral thriving during this local construction boom , flew in the face of current scientific enlightenment's approach to "saving the reefs" scientist Even today scientists agree that the coral in the Keys should have been very upset with all the unprecedented soil erosion and silt ?


All science is Political.

They should not even use the term "science: any longer , it should be refereed top as an off shoot of Political Science and deemed so.

Its like the Democrats and the world "democracy"
with all the delegate and super delegate nonsense it pretty silly that they pretend to give a rats hindquarters about the ideals of Democracy and that the popular vote or the peoples voice is paramount.

By the way, we here in the U.S. live in a "Republic"

"to the Republic for which it stands".....


Anyone know where I can get Blue legs for less then the obnoxious price I'm currently paying of 20 cents? (Wink)
 

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Kalk, your quote,

All science is Political.

Brings me out of lurk mode, you are one ignorant person. Don't give some back peddling "what I meant was" statement. You just made yourself invisible to me, and a couple of other people (of course you could be transparent to some to begin with)....
 

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Blanket statements like "all" generally don't hold up... but I think most people can see that there is much science that is political and much that is not, and much of that depends on what the field is and who's funding it. I think people should be forced to revisit the strong statements they make in these arguements every 10 years or so to see just how right or wrong they were, and if wrong, be forced to eat crow. I was wrong, or I made a mistake seems to be very hard for people with PHD's to say.
 

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I think people should be forced to revisit the strong statements they make in these arguements every 10 years or so to see just how right or wrong they were, and if wrong, be forced to eat crow.

Thats a good point.
And what if they were correct?
Then what do they get to eat?
I find that vindication after being right is a pleasure you generally savor alone.
Few who were wrong want to relive their past errors by being reminded of them , especially by giving credit where it is due.
Steve
 

PeterIMA

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I agree with Al Gore and the UN Climate Change Panel findings. Climate change is real. One degree Celsius in the atmosphere may not sound like much but it is very significant. What people don't see in these numbers are the temperature changes in the oceans. There is lots of evidence that localized temperature increases are killing coral reefs.

I believe that Climate Change is the number one issue. The war in Iraq is a distraction that we can ill afford. The funds should have been put into renewable energy (like wind and solar power, hydrogen fuel research etc).
We are now paying more at the gas pump and for fuel oil because we don't have a more intelligent energy policy.

Peter
 
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<braces for the lash back>

We pay very little for gas. IMO it should be like the UK< nearly $8 a gallon. It's the only way we as a nation will actually fund the proper research AS WELL AS get behind it.

And yes, Damsels should wholesale for $10!
 

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I don't mind paying more for gas as long as it doesn't go into the gas companies pocket or to people that hate us as a nation. If it was for more money for renewable energy research.
 
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Dunno, is there a hook in your cheek? We only use barbless hooks in this here forum :)
 

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GreshamH":2qokuyye said:
<braces for the lash back>

We pay very little for gas. IMO it should be like the UK< nearly $8 a gallon. It's the only way we as a nation will actually fund the proper research AS WELL AS get behind it.

And yes, Damsels should wholesale for $10!

You may have noticed that we have been charging you a little bit more for oil from your blue eyed Arabs to the northl. Don't worry Gresham you will be paying a lot more eventually.

Kalkbreath, you make me laugh. :lol:
 
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99% of my states oil demand is pumped right here in our very own state. We don't use brown eyed Canadian oil :lol:
 

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GreshamH":2v941f30 said:
99% of my states oil demand is pumped right here in our very own state. We don't use brown eyed Canadian oil :lol:

What about the stuff that heats up your reef tank and lights it all up so it looks purdy! :wink:
 
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You think your smart but your really not :lol:

Moss Landing Power Plant, 20 miles from my house. Google it, see how far it serves ;) Surely 20 miles away it would be serving me ;)
 
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Friggin circles here. Why do I have to chase Canadians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moss_Landing_Power_Plant

But your chasing rabbits here as ML using natural gas :lol: While the US imports something like 94% of NG/LPG most of what CA uses comes from Mexico if you look at the "plumbing" of the pipeplines :D Viva Mexico!!!

How's Florida get it's oil/power Snow Bird Peter? BTW have you seen any new Chinese oil rigs in Cuba yet? They're there now building them.
 

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