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cortez marine":37acdbdd said:
Thales, Len and CO have cut you slack since day one Steve and you are absolutly blind to it
Every other forum besides this one would have banned you YEARS ago Steve. You are rather lucky to enjoy the ability to even post on this forum.
Try posting this thread on RC, you'll be banned for life in 10 seconds!!!
And prey tell what do you think this forum is about? The Steve Robinson Project?
You know where the door is. If you don't like those that run the place.......leave! You have no place, power or ability to tell anyone what to do on this forum!
Thales has been a critical supporter of yours for years, yet you continue to put devil horns on him in your mind, call him out and tell him he's only out to get you. Being friends with him for many years I can tell you that you are so wrong about all this it's not even funny anymore.
"Check yourself before you wreck yourself"
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Statistically, the one who gets away with the highest % of direct, angry and personal posts is actually you.
But, the fact that you don't get moderated yourself proves the "selective moderation" I was reffering to better then anything else.
The calmer but more distorted, insulting and vindictive narratives though come directly from one of the moderators himself.
Rich has personal and character conflicts of interest w/ some people and should perhaps difer to the judgement of the other moderators of whom it is a pleasure to deal with..
Its not an RDO thing, its a personal thing for some reason as each character focused rant [ on record here] proves.
Steve
Statistically, the one who gets away with the highest % of direct, angry and personal posts is actually you.
But, the fact that you don't get moderated yourself proves the "selective moderation" I was reffering to better then anything else.
The calmer but more distorted, insulting and vindictive narratives though come directly from one of the moderators himself.
Rich has personal and character conflicts of interest w/ some people and should perhaps difer to the judgement of the other moderators of whom it is a pleasure to deal with..
Its not an RDO thing, its a personal thing for some reason as each character focused rant [ on record here] proves.
Steve
cortez marine":zffkdbit said:
If you hate him so much you know the easiest way out
I myself have been placed on temp. bans Steve, unlike you. Also, over half of my "vindictive" posts where done with you not only egging me on, they where orchestrated by you and I jointly sitting in the same office.
Look to the left of Thales posts. He is a SITE ADMIN, not a MOD like you keep insisting. He runs the place with a few other people. This is in fact his house and if you do not like that fact RC is open for your picking.
You have done nothing for this site. You don't help hobbyists, you only push your current agenda even if it varies from the stance you had prior!
Steve,
You and Rich may have a personal history (one which I am not privy to), but nothing I've seen him post recently has been either administrative in nature or definitively relating to/based on "bad blood" that you keep referring to. It appears to me you are looking for stuff that simply isn't there.
You and Rich may have a personal history (one which I am not privy to), but nothing I've seen him post recently has been either administrative in nature or definitively relating to/based on "bad blood" that you keep referring to. It appears to me you are looking for stuff that simply isn't there.
I don’t see that big deal here since just about every wholesaler on 104 pretty much sells directly to the hobbyist… Everyone is out for their own pocket and all the crying in the world isn’t going to change anything. I’ve seen store after store complain about it and all the wholesalers do is make excuses…
Ohh his cousins, mothers, sisters, grandmother owns a store in Alaska and the six friends with him are his employees.
For the record I don’t blame the hobbyist one bit…. If we were in their shoes I’m sure most of us would too. Even Quality has hobbyist shopping direct and they are one of the better of the mix.
Ohh his cousins, mothers, sisters, grandmother owns a store in Alaska and the six friends with him are his employees.
For the record I don’t blame the hobbyist one bit…. If we were in their shoes I’m sure most of us would too. Even Quality has hobbyist shopping direct and they are one of the better of the mix.
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Raskal,
Hobbyists pm me every day about this fish and the answer is always the same...." Sorry, gotta buy 'em from a dealer."
Obviously there was and is no pattern here, otherwise there would be so many stories to tell besides this ONE little witch hunt.
The tempest in a teapot was an attempt to exploit a misunderstood single transaction out of several hundred.
My goodness, I even refused sales to actual dealers on account of their disposition and plan to to pre-sell and low-ball the fish!
These inconvenient facts are omitted in the zeal to find a double standard and a hoped for hypocrisy.
Steve
Hobbyists pm me every day about this fish and the answer is always the same...." Sorry, gotta buy 'em from a dealer."
Obviously there was and is no pattern here, otherwise there would be so many stories to tell besides this ONE little witch hunt.
The tempest in a teapot was an attempt to exploit a misunderstood single transaction out of several hundred.
My goodness, I even refused sales to actual dealers on account of their disposition and plan to to pre-sell and low-ball the fish!
These inconvenient facts are omitted in the zeal to find a double standard and a hoped for hypocrisy.
Steve
There was much more discussed than the selling around the retailers. Readers should read the whole thread.
Steve,
What did you consult with Petco about if it was not fish ? You worked with ASAP while they were selling cyanide fish to Petco and at the same time you consulted with Petco -----but you had no part in it ??
With your logic, Kevin is a dropshipper and I am not, or vice versa.
Steve,
What did you consult with Petco about if it was not fish ? You worked with ASAP while they were selling cyanide fish to Petco and at the same time you consulted with Petco -----but you had no part in it ??
With your logic, Kevin is a dropshipper and I am not, or vice versa.
No need to answer my questions. It just bothers me when you criticize most of us in the industry, when in fact you have done and do the same things, oftentimes on a much larger and more destructive scale.
I have no problems with what you do but then I am not primarily a retailer, if I was you would be history as far as doing business with you. Nothing personal, just sleezy business practices, you have betrayed your customers and your marketing image.
The time is here Steve to come clean, admit your practices and let the chips fall where they may. You cannot run away from your history, but you can start over. Right now you are self-destructing and pulling this board and industry down with you.
I wish you well -Race
I have no problems with what you do but then I am not primarily a retailer, if I was you would be history as far as doing business with you. Nothing personal, just sleezy business practices, you have betrayed your customers and your marketing image.
The time is here Steve to come clean, admit your practices and let the chips fall where they may. You cannot run away from your history, but you can start over. Right now you are self-destructing and pulling this board and industry down with you.
I wish you well -Race
Thales IMO you have gone past what might be considered as your role as moderator. I find the personal attacks on Steve distasteful in particular your comment that he might consider not posting further.
To others, the last time I checked the US was a free country.
Let Steve choose his business practices. If from time to time he chooses to sell directly to a hobbyist that is his choice and of no concern whatsoever to you.
Wayne Ryan
To others, the last time I checked the US was a free country.
Let Steve choose his business practices. If from time to time he chooses to sell directly to a hobbyist that is his choice and of no concern whatsoever to you.
Wayne Ryan
Raskal311":1zq7cxxf said:
Race I'm a little surprised that Steve selling to a hobbyists bothers you and Kevin, while Quality doing the same gets no mention. In truth I don't believe many of us here actually consider Steve much of a role model, but we are wise enough to know that your business model takes far more business from us than Steve ever could. The bottom line is that deeds that hurt our bottom line hurt the most.
And I too feel like Thales does rather enjoy coming in and trying to belittle Steve at every opportunity. Whether deserved or not, it has the appearance of going above and beyond the normal duties of a moderator.
Steve has certainly opened himself to attack in the past, but this thread was neither the time nor the place for it. Try and get in the Christmas spirit people. Things will eventually get better.
Sorry you feel that way guys and I can understand it.
Please also understand that with Steve and Wayne I have tried many tactics to get them to be what I would call a more constructive poster on this forum - based on my own observations and a deluge of PM's I receive. I have tried to communicate with Steve privately to no avail, and discussion of his posting style in threads instead of pm's is another in a long line of tactics to try to communicate with him because I have thought he was worth having around. What 'coming in a trying to belittle Steve at every opportunity' (although that isn't what I have been actually trying to do) has been part of an effort not to ban him, which I haven't enjoyed and am beginning to think is no longer worth the effort. I don't think he understands or appreciates the lengths we have gone to not ban him in the past.
I do need to point out once again that I haven't been moderating this thread, and just because it says 'admin' next to my name doesn't mean that I don't have opinions and that I shouldn't express them. Other people have been monitoring it from the beginning.
Please also understand that with Steve and Wayne I have tried many tactics to get them to be what I would call a more constructive poster on this forum - based on my own observations and a deluge of PM's I receive. I have tried to communicate with Steve privately to no avail, and discussion of his posting style in threads instead of pm's is another in a long line of tactics to try to communicate with him because I have thought he was worth having around. What 'coming in a trying to belittle Steve at every opportunity' (although that isn't what I have been actually trying to do) has been part of an effort not to ban him, which I haven't enjoyed and am beginning to think is no longer worth the effort. I don't think he understands or appreciates the lengths we have gone to not ban him in the past.
I do need to point out once again that I haven't been moderating this thread, and just because it says 'admin' next to my name doesn't mean that I don't have opinions and that I shouldn't express them. Other people have been monitoring it from the beginning.
cortez marine":mor7jps3 said:
Based off of what I have read I don’t see any wrong done by you. But then again maybe I’m just a little mentally impervious to all this. I’ve been getting customers telling me “check out this awesome piece I got at PAFâ€
Hi Mitch,
The difference is I admit what I am doing. My job is to get business and yes, some will come from the retailers, that is my plan. As the stores close I hope I am in place to serve the hobbyist. As a businessman, should I be doing something different ? This economy will help accelerate the conversion to etail. All I have to do is survive and learn to do it on declining margins.
Most Wholesalers sell direct but they admit it. I do not blame them but I do not expect them to deny it. I have no problem with the practice and when it becomes common place, perhaps I will become a Wholesaler.
The difference is I admit what I am doing. My job is to get business and yes, some will come from the retailers, that is my plan. As the stores close I hope I am in place to serve the hobbyist. As a businessman, should I be doing something different ? This economy will help accelerate the conversion to etail. All I have to do is survive and learn to do it on declining margins.
Most Wholesalers sell direct but they admit it. I do not blame them but I do not expect them to deny it. I have no problem with the practice and when it becomes common place, perhaps I will become a Wholesaler.
I might also add, besides mobile commerce, price and selection, another marketing strategy of mine for 2009 will be for the hobbyist to make a comparison in quality between rested and dropshipped livestock and the transhipped masses and messes that are flooding the retail markets.
I think you are correct Mitch. I am not against transhipping and in the past we have had some transhipped livestock. With the deteriorating livestock quality we are holding transhipping to a minimum.
Here is my assessment. Some Wholesalers may push transhipping in an effort to reduce handling and mortality costs and increase inventory turns. Now the specimens are hurried on to the retailer, etailer who are attempting to accomplish the same thing, reduce holding costs, reduce in house mortality and increase inventory turns.
The danger here is, some stores, etail and retail will let these highly stressed specimens, without proper resting and recovery, back out the door to the hobbyist . This is not retail vs etail but something we may want to minimize.
Here is my assessment. Some Wholesalers may push transhipping in an effort to reduce handling and mortality costs and increase inventory turns. Now the specimens are hurried on to the retailer, etailer who are attempting to accomplish the same thing, reduce holding costs, reduce in house mortality and increase inventory turns.
The danger here is, some stores, etail and retail will let these highly stressed specimens, without proper resting and recovery, back out the door to the hobbyist . This is not retail vs etail but something we may want to minimize.
Maybe I’m buying from the wrong folks but I don’t see a big advantage going transship over wholesale. Take in to the account the extra labor, DOA, and what not a fish seems to cost just as much buying from a wholesaler. OOOOr maybe its everyone else who is the one buying from the wrong wholesaler
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