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Anybody else get this email today?

URGENT! - FEDS Hold Hearing April 23 To Ban Nonnatives

ON April 23rd 2009 The Natural Resources Committee of the U.S. Congress will hold a hearing on H.R. 669, a resolution that will in effect ban importation, interstate transport and the private ownership of most birds, mammals, reptiles, and fish as pets. Should HR669 be adopted as written only the following nonnative animals
would be allowed:

any cat (Felis catus)
cattle or oxen (Bos taurus)
chicken (Gallus gallus domesticus)
dog (Canis lupus familiaris)
donkey or ass (Equus asinus)
domesticated members of the family Anatidae (geese)
duck (domesticated Anas spp.)
goat (Capra aegagrus hircus)
goldfish (Carassius auratus auratus)
horse (Equus caballus)
llama (Lama glama)
mule or hinny (Equus caballus x E. asinus)
pig or hog (Sus scrofa domestica)
domesticated varieties of rabbit (Oryctolagus cuniculus)
sheep (Ovis aries)

Should this resolution be adopted into law as written it will have a devastating impact on every pet owner and business in the United States. Action is needed TODAY to protect your rights to keep your pets! To find out what you can do to protect your pets please click on the link below. Please note that the linked PIJAC PET ALERT requires that you have Adobe Acrobat installed. More info will follow as it becomes available...

http://banner.pethobbyist.com/spclick.php?id=438
 
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This was sponsored by a rep in GUAM??? (She does not look Guamanian to me, either.)

Unbelievable, have you looked at the list of co-sponsors? Something tells me that when I contact my own representative about this, he'll already be one of the no votes.

Here's another link that gives that info.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-669
 

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CONGRESSIONAL HEARING BANNING
NONNATIVE SPECIES
APRIL 23
ACTION NEEDED

THE ISSUE
The Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act (H.R. 669), introduced by Del. Madeleine Bordallo (D-Guam)
Chair of the Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans and Wildlife of the House Natural Resources Committee
would totally revamp how nonnativCONGRESSIONAL HEARING BANNING
NONNATIVE SPECIES
APRIL 23
ACTION NEEDED

THE ISSUE
The Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act (H.R. 669), introduced by Del. Madeleine Bordallo (D-Guam)
Chair of the Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans and Wildlife of the House Natural Resources Committee
would totally revamp how nonnative species are regulated under the Lacey Act.

Currently, the Fish and Wildlife Service is required to demonstrate that a species is injurious [harmful] to health
and welfare of humans, the interests of agriculture, horticulture or forestry, and the welfare and survival of
wildlife resources of the U.S.

HR 669 substantially complicates that process by compelling the Service to produce two lists after conducting a
risk assessment for each nonnative wildlife species to determine if it is likely to “cause economic or
environmental harm or harm to other animal species’ health or human health.” In order to be placed on the
“Approved List” it must be established that the species has not, or is not likely, to cause “harm” anywhere in the
US. Species that are considered potentially harmful would be placed on an “Unapproved List.” Furthermore, HR
669 would essentially ban all species that do not appear on the Approved List, regardless of whether or not they
have ever been petitioned for listing or are sufficiently well studied to enable a listing determination.

Species not appearing on the “Approved List” could not be imported into the United States; therefore, all
unapproved nonnative species could not be moved interstate. In addition, trade in all such unlisted species would
come to a halt – possession would be limited and all breeding would cease. Unless those species are included on
the approved list import, export, transport, and breeding would be prohibited. Exceptions are limited and would
not be available to pet owners across the nation.
THE IMPACT
Nonnative species in the pet trade encompass virtually every bird, reptile, fish and a number of mammals
(e.g., hamsters, gerbils, guinea pigs, ferrets) commonly kept as pets. It is immaterial under HR 669 that the
• Vast majority of these nonnative species in the pet trade have been in the United States in large numbers
for decades, some for hundreds of years, and have not proven to be an environmental problem.
• Numerous species are raised in the United States for many purposes, pets, recreational fishing and
hunting, food, etc.
• Only a small number of species kept as pets have caused environmental problems, and this has generally
been on a very localized basis (i.e. southern Florida, Hawaii).
• Most states have exercised their authority to regulate problem species within their own borders through a
mixture of management regimes ranging from permit systems to bans.

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• The HR 669 listing criteria mandates proving a negative – that no harm has or is likely to occur within
whole of the entire United States.
• The “risk assessment” process is too limited in scope and application and should instead be a a broader
“risk analysis” that also takes into consideration socio-economic factors and mitigation (management)
measures that might be utilized by the federal and state agencies.

HR 669 would employ a 2-step process of a Preliminary and a Final Approved List along with the Services
having to promulgate regulations not only to deal with creation of the lists but also regulating all aspects of this
rather complex bill. The Service would have to complete major portions of the list and regulation process within
24 months of passage. Imagine how the Service will be able to conduct the required risk assessment outlined in
HR 669 within these timeframes when it takes on average 4 years for the Service to find a species harmful under
the current Lacey Act. The bill sets up the under-resourced Service for failure and numerous lawsuits by activist
groups.

Listing Process - To list or not to list? -- That is the question!
The listing process is somewhat complex. To place a species on the Preliminary Approved List (at some point in
time converts to a Final Approved List) the Service must make a determination that those listed species, based on
scientific and commercial information, are
• Not harmful to the United State’s economy, environment or other animals’ or human health OR
• May be harmful “but already are so widespread in the United States that it is clear to the Secretary that
any import prohibitions or restrictions would have no practical utility for the United States.”
While proponents would argue that this test would not be as rigorous as the ultimate test set forth in HR 669,
PIJAC is at a loss how one proves no harm under the alleged simplified test for inclusion on the “Preliminary
Approved List.”

To get on the ultimate “Approved List ” (accomplished within 37 months), the Service would have to complete
risk assessments, not risk analysis, using the following criteria. The assessors would have to make a determination
based on:
• Species identified to species level, and if possible information to subspecies level;
• Native range of the species (which may or not be fully known);
• Whether species has established, spread, or caused harm to the economy, the environment, or other
animal species or human health in ecosystems in or ecosystems similar to those in the US;
• Environmental conditions exist in the US that suitable for establishment of the species;
• Likelihood of establishment in the US;
• Likelihood of speared in the US;
• Likelihood species would harm wildlife resources of the US;
• Likelihood the species would harm native species that are “rare” (not defined) or listed under Endangered
Species Act;
• Likelihood species would harm habitats or ecosystems of the US;
• Likelihood “pathogenic species or parasitic species may accompany the species proposed for
importation;” and
• Other factors “important to assessing the risk associated with the species”.

Once a determination is made, the Service will place a species on one of 3 lists
• Approved List
• Unapproved List
• The “Non-list” (section 4(2)(C)) for species for which “the Secretary has insufficient scientific and
commercial information to make a determination “ whether to approve or disapprove.

User Fees
HR 669 also calls for the establishment of a user fee system for funding assessments following the adoption of the
“Preliminary Approved List.” This has been a long term desire of animal activist and environmental protectionist
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organizations since they know that user fees can become cost prohibitive and virtually eliminate small interest
groups or business from participating in the process. It can easily paralyze access except for the wealthy or those
living off of tax exempt dollars who use the system to drive their agendas. Furthermore, fees are not made
available to the Service until 36 months into the process. It is not clear how the Service would implement the first
three years of work under HR 669.


RECOMMENDATIONS – TIME IS NOW!
According to the Defenders of Wildlife "For far too long the pet, aquarium and other industries have imported live
animals to the United States without regard to their harm…" Defenders, the Humane Society of the United States
(HSUS) and The Nature Conservancy (TNC) are part of a coalition pushing hard for passage of this bill without
amendments.

A HEARING has been scheduled for April 23 and the pet industry needs to be heard load and clear prior to the
hearing! The anti-trade elements are hard at work to stop activities involving non-native species.

A copy of HR 669 can be found on PIJAC’s website in the “Breaking News” and the “HR669 Forum” sections of
the http://www.pijac.org. Read the bill carefully since it could shut down major segments of the pet industry virtually
overnight.
PIJAC POSITION -- PIJAC supports the underlying intent of HR 669 to establish a risk-based process in order
to prevent the introduction of potentially invasive species. It has been clear for quite some time that steps are
needed to enhance and improve the current listing process for species shown to be injurious under the Lacey Act.
In addition to much needed appropriations to fund staff and other ancillary support aids, the Lacey Act needs to
be modernized to make the process more timely, efficient and transparent. However, HR 669 falls far short of
accomplishing this objective.
CONTACT MEMBERS OF THE SUBCOMITTEE (see contact information below) by
• emailing or faxing your opposition to HR 669 to their offices in Washington DC urging them to amend
the bill
• ALSO contact their district offices
o voice your opposition
o and request a meeting with the representative when they are back in the District
It is also important to organize like-minded people in your district so several of you can visit with your
representative at the same time.

A few talking points:
• The approach taken in HR 669 will adversely impact trade and other activities involving nonnative
species without utilizing a scientifically valid approach – even in the limited instances in which sufficient
data are available on the biology and range of species, it will be virtually impossible to prove that they
could not establish and spread in some portion of the US. Thus, it will be nearly impossible to get species
on the “Approved List” unless they are so widespread in the country already.
• The degree of uncertainty that will result by applying the “as if” criteria will result in virtually every
species ending up on the list for which there is insufficient information to make a decision DESPITE THE
FACT that most of these species have been in trade, recreational use, farming, etc. for decades with only a
small percentage of species being problematic and then in localized situations
• A one size assessment process fits all species is not plausible – what may be harmful in Hawaiian waters
would not be harmful in Kansas or the deserts of Arizona or Texas.
• HR 669 overly simplifies the complexity of the issue; bans all species unless they can get on an approved
list; the criteria for the Approved List are not realistic; the lists are biased towards those entities that can
afford to engage in the process – undoubtedly the USFWS will be paralyzed by activist animal rights and
protectionist environmental organizations petitioning for species to be unapproved;
• The USFWS does not have the capacity to implement the provisions given limited staff, money, and
unrealistic timeliness; and the unintended consequences of a sloppy bill could actually be to facilitate the
mass release of animals, and/or their mass euthanasia.
• HR 669 does not take into consideration the socio-economic complexity of the issue. Stakeholders
dependent upon access to non-native species include diverse interests: pet industry, sports fishing,
federal/state hatcheries, agriculture, biomedical research, entertainment, hunting, food aquaculture.
Currently, thousands of non-natives species are both imported and exported, as well as captive raised (in
some instances farmed on ranched) within the United States. While most of these species are never
intended for release into natural environments, some of these species (e.g. oysters, trout, bass, deer, game
birds) are managed by government and private entities throughout the US.
• HR 669 calls for a risk assessment when, in fact, a risk analysis process is warranted. A risk assessment
only considers biological indices related to potential invasiveness, while a risk analysis considers both
these, as well as socio-economic factors, including potential management options. A risk analysis can
enable strategic decisions to be made, such as enabling certain species to continue in trade/transport if the
risks of invasion could be sufficiently management (e.g. d HR 669 treats the entire United States as if it is
a single ecosystem and ignores the historic definition of invasive species that applies to a specific
ecosystem, not the political boundaries of the United States as an ecosystem.
• Setting criteria in statute removes flexibility that could be achieved through rulemaking since a “one-size-
fits-all” process is not appropriate for all taxa, regions of the country, proposed usage of the species, etc.
• Deadlines are unrealistic. While we recognize the rationale for placing timeframes on USFWS, deadlines
cause lawsuits; deadlines mandate action for unfunded mandates; two (2) years is unrealistic to conduct
an assessment (even a rough screen) of literally thousands of species (1) imported, (2) raised in US for
local markets as well as exports, and (3) imported as well as raised in US.
• Animals owned prior to prohibition of importation (Section 2(f)) is major departure from current
prohibitions under Lacey Act. HR 669 would allow possession of “an animal” if prove legally owned
pre-launch of assessment. There is no indication as to what it takes to prove legality? Nor would one
know when an assessment of a particular species was launched.
• Assuming that more than a handful of non-native species end up on an approved list, enforcement of a list
of species that have been in trade for decades will be more difficult than a dirty list. It is well established
that only a small percentage of the species in trade have been shown to be “invasive.” The ornamental
aquarium industry, for example, deals with more than 2,500 species of freshwater and marine fish. A
handful of species have been found to be a problem in Southern Florida, but not elsewhere in the US;
some found to be a problem in Hawaii are not a problem in Kansas.
• Promulgation of regulations implementing the HR 669 process will be complex and doubtful if can be
achieved within prescribed timeframe, especially if USFWS is to simultaneously conduct thousands of
assessments on species already in trade.

ACT NOW – Also alert your employees, friends, neighbors, competitors, and any other like-minded people
and urge them to take time to respond to this unworkable approach to dealing with f an issue of concern to
all of us.
KEEP CHECKING PIJAC’S WEBSITE FOR UPDATES ON HR669

If you have questions or wish to express your views to PIJAC, please contact Marshall Meyers or Bambi Nicole
Osborne by phone at 202-452-1525 or via email at [email protected] or [email protected].
 

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I'm surprised people aren't a little more concerned about this bill and PIJAC Alert. Marshall Meyers & Co do not unduly issue these alerts. This is a serious warning people.

ACT NOW – Also alert your employees, friends, neighbors, competitors, and any other like-minded people

and urge them to take time to respond to this unworkable approach to dealing with f an issue of concern to

all of us.

KEEP CHECKING PIJAC’S WEBSITE FOR UPDATES ON HR669

If you have questions or wish to express your views to PIJAC, please contact Marshall Meyers or Bambi Nicole

Osborne by phone at 202-452-1525 or via email at [email protected] or [email protected].

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No Steven I didn't get the email and I'm a former dues paying member of PIJAC. I doubt they have a very extensive email list so in effect, there probably are not many people concerned about this.
 
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They beat me to it and one upped me :) that's great :) Even a video with people I know!!!
 

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The list of sponsors of this bill has grown. Look there is ol' Bawny Fwank on the list.
COSPONSORS(21), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]: (Sort: by date)
Rep Abercrombie, Neil [HI-1] - 1/26/2009 Rep Cohen, Steve [TN-9] - 3/10/2009
Rep DeFazio, Peter A. [OR-4] - 3/9/2009 Rep Faleomavaega, Eni F.H. [AS] - 2/3/2009
Rep Farr, Sam [CA-17] - 3/9/2009 Rep Frank, Barney [MA-4] - 2/9/2009
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. [AZ-7] - 1/26/2009 Rep Hastings, Alcee L. [FL-23] - 1/26/2009
Rep Hinchey, Maurice D. [NY-22] - 3/30/2009 Rep Holt, Rush D. [NJ-12] - 3/23/2009
Rep Kagen, Steve [WI-8] - 3/9/2009 Rep Kildee, Dale E. [MI-5] - 1/26/2009
Rep Kind, Ron [WI-3] - 1/26/2009 Rep Klein, Ron [FL-22] - 1/26/2009
Rep Lee, Barbara [CA-9] - 2/3/2009 Rep McGovern, James P. [MA-3] - 1/26/2009
Rep Miller, George [CA-7] - 1/26/2009 Rep Napolitano, Grace F. [CA-38] - 1/26/2009
Rep Pallone, Frank, Jr. [NJ-6] - 3/23/2009 Rep Sablan, Gregorio [MP] - 4/1/2009
Rep Woolsey, Lynn C. [CA-6] - 2/25/2009
 
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Son of a bi45h....I voted for that guy (Sam Farr). Oh man he's gonna get a large chunk of his district on his ass when I'm done. I just got the local DVMs and SPCA informed on the issue, now it's off to the pet stores...we're a HUGE dog town and they vote. "I have a dog and vote" bumper stickers are all over after the vote for a dog park a few years back.
 

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Guys, I emailed my rep, as many of the reps on that list as I could get through to.

I then forwarded a heartfelt letter to the Center For Biological Diversity...I made the case to them that hey..if this bill goes through, accomplishments like my pleasant surprise with the Harlequin Files will no longer be possible (not to mention that there isn't any governmental or academic support of ornamental marine fish culture research because everyone is too busy worrying about the world's food supply). Since the R&D that will allow for the long-term preservation of marinelife is only being undertaken by the aquarium hobbyist, daring entreprenuers, and a few dedicated researchers, I felt that any bill which kills the hobby and industry will be a big roadblock to the preservation of our biodiversity. Afterall...if we kill the hobby, what reason is left to even bother learning how to breed Clown Triggerfish and Blue-Spotted Jawfish. Not to mention that killing off the Marine Aquarium Hobby in the US will kill off 50% of the worldwide hobby - one less group of people to care about the long term fate of our coral reefs....

Of course, my email is only one email sent off into the deep blue of the cyber-sea....anyone else have any other create ideas on getting more organizations involved?

Matt
 
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GreshamH":1r5ts557 said:
Son of a bi45h....I voted for that guy (Sam Farr). Oh man he's gonna get a large chunk of his district on his ass when I'm done. I just got the local DVMs and SPCA informed on the issue, now it's off to the pet stores...we're a HUGE dog town and they vote. "I have a dog and vote" bumper stickers are all over after the vote for a dog park a few years back.
Yeah, my sister's rep is Barbara Lee and I gave her (my sister) an EARFUL about that crap. Doesn't Lee have far more pressing issues, especially considering the area her district encompasses, than whether or not the people of Oakland can have non-native fish, birds, or sugar-gliders?

MY rep, on the other hand, is Dan Lungren, and hoo boy do we butt heads on a couple of things! :lol:
(I am probably on some list by now.)
 

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I really don't even see this making it out of committee. I am not saying that the bill isn't frightening but the economic impact will keep everyone on their toes, in my opinion, especially with the current economic situation.

When one sits back and looks at the bill as a whole and considers the history of the creatures here in our country, the choice is clear. No way this thing makes it out of committee.

If a representative wants to bring forth change, the least they could do is bring something that is realistic.

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Caterham":17rbk170 said:
No way this thing makes it out of committee.
Best regards,

This is really reassuring to hear. Now I can sleep better at nights.

If a representative wants to bring forth change, the least they could do is bring something that is realistic.

You mean like cap and trade on CO2 emissions to stop global warming?
 

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Dizzy,

I'll wager a box of Flames that the bill doesn't make it out of committee :D

As far as emissions are concerned I suppose that anything is possible. My backside is still chafed from the Clean Air Act of 1990, but that is off topic. Get me some Cruex please.

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Bills like this usually don't pass out of committee, but it's no reason to be complacent. The government will pass all kinds of stupid crap if people don't make their voices heard and complain about it.
 

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Hey Folks,

Thought I'd pass along a site that gives you some information on what can be done at this point regarding HR669. Here's a site that Brian Barczyk (he's a pretty large-scale snake breeder) and a couple other folks have set up: http://www.nohr669.com I do think the video is little alarmist, but the site does have plenty of information about how to help with opposing this resolution.

I spoke with Brian yesterday. He's been in contact with Marshall Meyers daily about HR 669. I thought I'd pass along the info that he gave me.

If your representative is on the subcommittee considering this resolution than it is critical that you contact them. Call, email, mail, fax and/or meet in person. Your input carries a lot more weight than those of us that aren't in a subcommittee member's district.

The input that I've gotten is that snail mail will take at least a month to clear Homeland Security to make sure you're not mailing anthrax to your representative. Since we only have till April 23 before the subcommittee hearing there's a couple better options at this point.

First, call your representative. If your representative is one of the subcommittee members than it's very important that you contact them. If not, contact your representative and ask him or her to contact the subcommittee members.

Second, email. The word I've gotten is that individual emails may not make it to your representative, but the site that Brian set up works with a company that works with Congress. I don't know much about this, but apparently Marshall thought it was a good idea and may have greater impact than individual emails. So go to the site above and email through that site.

Third, the folks at USARK apparently have a lobbyist that will be hand delivering mail to House members before the April 23 hearing. I've heard mixed things about the effectiveness of this, but if you want a written letter to get there before the hearing, your best bet is to get the letter to them. The address to send this can be found if you follow the link on the 'What else can I do?' section the website listed above.

Finally, if you have the time, the most influential thing that you can do is try to meet with your representative. Unfortunately, they are likely to be back in Washington on Monday. If you can meet with them prior, or if you're in the Washington area, this would certainly help our cause.

Another action you can take is to print out the one page flier from this website (again, on the 'What else can I do' section), which I've also attached as a pdf file. Post this in your store and ask your customers to call and email their representatives.

Thanks to everyone that is doing their part to keep this bill from going forward.

Joe Hiduke
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I've been bombarded with emails from clients, suppliers and everyone else concerned about this - spreading the word and I've done my part to express my opposition to this.

There's actually a retailer in the ATL area that supports this (!!!!) He's in the minority to be sure.

I've seen a lot of rumblings about bills such as this in the past, but I've never seen outcry such as this one - so hopefully it won't sneak in without a lot of people opposing it.

Jenn
 

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What does he plan to do if this does pass? Sell dog food? He is probably supporting this because he needs a reason to close his shop without damaging is pride.
 

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I have no idea - but I replied back asking if he realizes that this would close both of us down (along with everyone else...)

He actually phoned me to "talk about it" and "other bills" being proposed... but I was slammed with customers so I didn't have time to hear his lobbying this morning. I kind of hope he calls me back when I'm not busy because I'm really curious to see just how much Kool Aid he's had to seriously believe that this bill can somehow be a good thing, and make "our" businesses prosper.

Stay tuned...

Jenn
 

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I had a long conversation with a Research Scientist with NOAA/NMFS that left me sweating over HR669. The scientist in question has been an aquarium hobbyist for a long time, but seems to have gone over to the dark side. He listed dozens of reasons that the trade In pets (almost everything) should be shut down. We discussed the lionfish invasion and about a half dozen other marine and freshwater species established in Florida. He blamed the hobbyists for releasing many species as they get too big for their aquariums. We both agreed that a dirty list to ban toxic/venemous animals (such as lionfish, snakes etc) was a good idea.

We part company when he advocated doing studies to find the "dirt" like whether there are different genetic strains of common diseases (like ich) that would then justify banning the importation of fish or even live rock with potential hitchhikers that "might" get loose in the environment. I disagreed that neon tetras would be a potential threat. They would all need to be studied before they could be put on the "acceptable" list. Too bad the USFWS doesn't have the funds to do it.

He said he had attended meetings between government officials and PIJAC. He felt that PIJAC's unwillingness to compromize on supporting banning problem (dirty) species, led to the decision by some legislators to support more restrictive legislation involving the acceptable (clean) list approach.

Based on this and other contacts I suggest members of the trade and the public should get very concerned. Don't think that someone else will do it. Become active to oppose HR669.

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Good points, Peter.

I don't think people are sitting on their laurels this time around - as I mentioned earlier, even non-industry, non-hobby friends of mine are emailing me about this. A friend who knows I keep parrots sent me the same email, but with the subject line attention to parrot owners.

I'm sure it's making the rounds among herp enthusiasts, ferret keepers and other small animal keepers/suppliers etc.

I brought it up in the Pet Industry Retailers newsgroup but it didn't go too far there - mostly dog and cat shops so doesn't really affect them much, but I put it out there for the few among us who keep aquatics/fuzzies/herps/birds - and there has been some discussion.

A lot of people are concerned and word IS spreading among the pet industry and pet-keeping community.

I still can't figure out why the LFS worker who posts on the ARC board (his profile says "employee" but he seems to be the person in charge of his particular shop) would be in favour of this.

The thread can be found here: http://www.atlantareefclub.org/forums/s ... hp?t=27934

The poster in favour is Fishscales2 and he mentions stuff on page 2 of the thread. I almost wish I'd had time to discuss with him today but we are having our 7th Anniversary Sale this weekend, began today - and we were slammed off our @$$es today! (WOOHOO!)

Jenn
 

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