• Why not take a moment to introduce yourself to our members?

do you agree with the bailouts??

  • Yes, this will stop the decline in housing prices and help the economy

    Votes: 1 5.6%
  • no, this will stall the drop of house prices back to affordable levels.along with tightening credit

    Votes: 7 38.9%
  • without the bailout the economy may have completely collapsed,that had to be avoided at all costs

    Votes: 7 38.9%
  • it would've been easier to deal with a swift but painful correction as opposed to the prolonged orde

    Votes: 5 27.8%

  • Total voters
    18
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Chiefmcfuz

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I try not to think that much bout it right now being that I just put my condo on the market and I am looking at a house. Somhow I would like to believe that everything will turn out ok in the end but I realize that we will all probably get :bunnies: ed in the end.
 

NYreefNoob

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Anywhere In The Mid West Or Down South, A Million Dollar House Here Cost 250k There. I Paid 1k In Taxes For My House I Had In Indy, 3 Bedroom Single Story With Full Basement 2.5 Car Garage, Wasnt A Rich Neighborhood But Who Cares. And Your Right Who Hasa 100k To Put Down On A House As 20% Would Be That Much Around Me { Westchester } Where We Already Are One Of The Highest Taxed Area's, I Love That Bush Is Under Fire For Making His Own Decision's On Stuff And All This Can Fall Back On Him From A Invasion Into A Country Where Bin Ladin Wasnt Even From Or Hiding In To Causing The Oil Price's To Shoot Up Which Tumble Effected Everything Else In Cost To Now We Are On The Verge Of Bankrupcy As A Country, How About Stop Helping Other Countries That Dont Help Back
 

Tangs Rule

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As A Country, How About Stop Helping Other Countries That Dont Help Back[/quote]


I could not agree more. It's too bad Clinton didn't take out Bin Laden when he had the chance.
 
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Chiefmcfuz

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:tired: We can't get these people to pay their unpaid parking tickets you think they can get them to pay us back the money they owe us? This also would mean we would have to pay back the money we owe to other countries as well.


Like I said We're gonna get :bunnies: ed in the end so asume the position when it comes.
 

Killerdrgn

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:tired: We can't get these people to pay their unpaid parking tickets you think they can get them to pay us back the money they owe us? This also would mean we would have to pay back the money we owe to other countries as well.


Like I said We're gonna get :bunnies: ed in the end so asume the position when it comes.

On top of that last i checked our national DEBT is just shy of $10 Trillion. Kinda seems like we owe more money than others owe us.
 

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My initial reaction was that they made their bed let them sleep in it. However without confidence in our financiall system it will collapse. Something does need to be done, I dont think corporate welfare is the solution. Some other alternatives I have seen that I like are:

1. Suspend capital gains taxes for any investment made over the next three years.

Right now, we need to give individuals, corporations, and private equity firms a compelling reason to invest in real estate and mortgages. Suspending the capital gains tax gives them an extra 15% reason. The suspension of this capital gains tax will be that extra motivation necessary for a private equity firm to buy up some of these poor performing mortgage papers. The way this suspension would work is like this. Any purchase of any investment in the next three years would face no capital gains tax whenever that investment is sold for a profit. That includes any real estate investment and any securities investment, including investment in mortgage backed securities.


2. Suspend FASB(Financial accounting standards board) 157 - This rule which forces companies to value illiquid financial assets has perpetuated this crisis and helped turn it from a mortgage crisis into a financial crisis. By forcing companies to put a current fair market value on illiquid assets, like mortgage backed securities, it also forced companies to write off such securities and made it more difficult for companies to hold them long term. As such, the panicked selling was perpetuated by selling to avoid write downs. This will continue unless the rule is suspended.

3) Eliminate penalties and taxes on early withdrawals from IRAs and 401K for down payments on properties

Right now, the market is evolving from real estate purchased with no money down to one purchased with a minimum of 20% down. That is why real estate can drop much further. There are of course many less people with the ability to put twenty percent down then there are that can put down nothing. A way to add buyers to the market is to allow folks to tap into their retirement plans with no costs in order to use it to purchase a property.

Although hedge funds have lost a lot of money in CDS (Credit Default Swaps) and CDO (Collaterlized Debt Obligations) they have made money elsewhere to offset those losses (Thats why they are called hedge funds!), in fact prior to the housing "crisis" they were making lots off both of those vehicles.
 
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I think it depends on the execution of the plan-no matter if the plan is logically/theoretically right or wrong. We, the people appropriate a sum of money to save the economy may be theoretically right but if it is executed in terms of loan to the poorly performed company with super high paid officers then it is not properly executed. To save the A$$ of well-off indidividuals who invested in these companies and high paid executives, why not directly help the poorly performed home owners(even though I am against this also)? Why only helping the rich and the rich entities? It sounds like, the government is believing(or at least want us to believe) that these well-off individuals and the high paid executives will make good judgements over the poorly performed home owners-but, in fact, both are misjudging their means. Why save someone who are willingly going into such a gamble. If the state is to buy up the assets of the failing companies and then resale them when the value go back up(provided that the government guarantee to us that the fund will be used back in tax cut or such-not another war or bomb, then I think this is OK. The city I was born used the state buying tactics in form of a state managed fund during the Asian financial crisis and as of today, the fund is profitable and people of the city are talking how to distribute the fund back to the public.

Even though slightly off topic, I remembered how the US government was attacking Hong Kong's governnment of interfering the free market with state funds during that time. Now it's our own time that our own govenment is interfering our own free market. Note that this double std. of our government is not completely off topic in this case because whatever we hear from the administration, the presented argument may not be completely trusted-we have to evaluate each administration annoucement with highest scrutiny because in the current plan, we are not even sure who will get the benefits at the end-the poorly performed executives, the poorly performed companies, the economy, the poorly performed home owners and/or the rest of the public who may have little or no business in these blamed defaults of the mortgages.

Accountability is also never mentioned in the bill. Those who are responsible for building these risks and crisis knowingly and fail to inform the public in advance should be responsible. It's ronic that we are talking about(actually forced to) saving these money thirst investors and institutions who are only interested in ripping the profits when the market is good while asking the public thru the government to bail them out when the market is bad in the name of saving the economy.
 
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LeslieS

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As important as out presidential election is, we all need to remember that congress makes the laws of this nation. Much of our current situation is a result of deregulation that was voted on by congress.

Also, tax bills are supposed to originate in the house. The fact that the senate passed the bill before the house did by titling it a mental health "act" should be causing a major uproar.

Attached is a link to all NY state congressmen. Make sure you know what they are about and vote for or against them next time. Also, make sure you call and write letters to let them know how you want to be represented.

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/usa/NY/
 
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As I feared earlier, without proper accountability in place, the bail out plan may well benefit those who don't need it.

http://www.wallst.net/news/REUTERSNEWS/2008/10/08/aig-says-lavish-event-was-mischaracterized/

I wondered how AIG or its subsidaries can still fund such an event if the government(us, who has no say in this bill) does not appropriate the rescue and just let them bankrupt. I cannot understand how can a failing company not considerng to limit their own bleedings. We need fundamental reform in education from grounds up to teach our new generation of responsibility.
 

LeslieS

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The AIG outing was certainly in bad taste, but it was probably already organized and paid for before this bailout even happened.
 
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The AIG outing was certainly in bad taste, but it was probably already organized and paid for before this bailout even happened.

It is planned before the take over and part of it is paid for but not all-at least, not the spa treatment such as hair styling, nail polishing .... which comes on a sperate bill! I wished the penny I sent to rescue them back to trip in my hair cut-I need one badly. LOL
 

joseney21

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Also, make sure you call and write letters to let them know how you want to be represented.

sad part is that many did call to oppose the bill and it was rejected. you would think a new bill would be better at representing the taxpayer, right? wrong, it was a worse bill with 150 billion added on to "buy" yes votes. puts into perspective the power of your average joe and that of big business lobbyists.

i'm surprised many things today aren't causing an uproar. i think it'll take another bailout bill close to or the same amount as the present bailout to wake people up.
 

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