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We ended up buying one from a store.... :splitspin
 

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Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, he/she is so cute!!!!:hug:

I may follow suit!:Yikes:

My son and I needed to kill some time yesterday evening and walked into a Puppy Store yesterday. Big mistake, I have always admired the "BullMastiff" breed and wouldn't you know they had a couple and of course I fell inlove with one in particular. I have spent last night and all of today fighting the urge to go and bring him home. I think the puppy is winning.:eek:
 

Pinkheine

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Congrats on the new addition to the family. Best wishes and luck to a healthy long life enjoying that cutie.

Though it is too late for this situation for others reading that may make the same choice....

Pet Store Puppy

I'm a little puppy, so cuddly, sweet and small. I live inside a cage, you see at a Pet Store in the mall.

I'm not an only puppy, my sisters are all here. My brothers, too, except for Ralph who died coz he was scared.

It's lonely here at nighttime when all the lights go dark, We tremble in our cages and we whimper and we bark.

But no one comes to hold us or pet our fears away. We sit all night in terror til the store opens next day.

We don't remember mama, left so far behind. She did the best she could for us til Man said "It is time."

He crammed us all in cages too small for us you see. We rode for hours; we could not help but lay in poop and pee.

And now we sit in a Pet Store where kids come taunt and squeeze. They do not hear our whimpers or understand our pleas.

We're miserable and it's scary here we all would rather die. But since we don't we do our best to run away and hide.

I know you think my story too sad to leave me be. You want to take me home with you, a happy little puppy.

But please, though it is fearful to live here against our will. If you take me that leaves a spot another pup will fill.

You can stop our suffering but not by taking us home. You must be strong and leave us here, unsold and all alone.

For if you do not take me, then another pup won't come. And maybe he will not be shipped so far away from home.

Tho some of us may not survive the cycle 'ere it falls. If we don't sell they will not need more puppies in these halls.

And if they need no puppies then the Man will not bring more. Eventually it can all stop! You CAN close the door.

So when you see a puppy face so sad and sweet and small. In a cage at a Pet Store at your neighborhood shopping mall.

The best thing you can do for him is leave him sitting there. That is the best way you can tell all dogs how much you care.

Poem taken from critterhaven.org, Author unknown
 

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Should we also stop buying that beautiful Leopard Wrasse, or that amazing gold maxima clam, or that must have elegance coral and that __________?

I understand what you guys are saying, believe me I do. Just about every single canine and feline I have ever had the joy and pleasure to share their life with have been rescued animals. Most were great and I would not change them for anything. Two of my dogs were purchased from private breeders. Currently I am the proud friend of 2 rescued pities.
And as you've already read above; might be adding a Bullmastiff to our family at some point. Will it be now, will it come from the only Puppy store that I would even consider, will it come from a breeder, will it be a rescue? Only God knows the answer to those questions. I do know that rescuing a baby Bullmastiff is near to impossible and I am not willing to bring an older one into the family knowing the potential for disaster with the other canines in our home.
Do you know of anyone with a 3 month old or younger full Brindle Male Bullmastiff at a shelter needing to be rescued? Let me know...........
 

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Should we also stop buying that beautiful Leopard Wrasse, or that amazing gold maxima clam, or that must have elegance coral and that __________?
Except there aren't so many stray leopard wrasses and corals roaming our streets because there are just too many.

Do you know of anyone with a 3 month old or younger full Brindle Male Bullmastiff at a shelter needing to be rescued? Let me know...........
Have you tried petfinder or mastiff rescues?
 

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thats because they are dying in tanks at the local pet store.i also understand the no buying puppies frompet stores but u know they need love and affection as well.that story of if no one buys them there will be no more puppy mills is so not a fact.if no one ever buys a puppy again the prices will go down people will buy them again.i did my research when i purchased my pup.i went to the place many times.i saw the vet all the time and spoke with him for several minutes.i watched a van pull in with 3 pups that were going up for sale that looked happy and clean.that was the only reason like i said i went and picked up my little girl.there are good pet stores and i feel like i made the right decision.just if you do decide to purchase not adopt do like i did and dont rush into it cause there is some bad places out there
 

Awibrandy

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Sorry to hijack your thread Alex, but I feel that I need to answer these ??.:eek:
Except there aren't so many stray leopard wrasses and corals roaming our streets because there are just too many.
Have you tried petfinder or mastiff rescues?
Killerdrgn, duke62 answered the 1st. one.;(
Been looking for years, so yes I have tried "Petfinder.com", Mastiff rescue groups and several shelters.;)
Here the thing; I've rescued many dogs through out the years and would love nothing more then to have my next mastiff be a rescue as well, but there are No pure breed Bull Mastiff puppies for adoption. I cannot bring just any dog into my home. I have an adult male Pitbull/Mastiff mix & an adult American Pitbull already of which I have to consider in these decision. My dogs will accept any other animal, the question is wether the other animal will accept them.
I am very cautious about these things and I don't take the responsibility lightly. Which is why the pup in question is still at the Puppy store.;)
I did go back to the store on Sunday and played with the pup again and observed his behavior in the pen when someone gave him a toy to play with. Boy did I want so much to bring him home, but alas, I do currently have a full house and really no room nor 100% of my attention would be given to him. So in the store he stayed.
that's because they are dying in tanks at the local pet store.i also understand the no buying puppies frompet stores but u know they need love and affection as well.that story of if no one buys them there will be no more puppy mills is so not a fact.if no one ever buys a puppy again the prices will go down people will buy them again.i did my research when i purchased my pup.i went to the place many times.i saw the vet all the time and spoke with him for several minutes.i watched a van pull in with 3 pups that were going up for sale that looked happy and clean.that was the only reason like i said i went and picked up my little girl.there are good pet stores and i feel like i made the right decision.just if you do decide to purchase not adopt do like i did and dont rush into it cause there is some bad places out there
duke62, I hear ya! I would never buy a puppy from a store or anywhere else for that matter without researching the place.;) I did a mini check on this particular place since they told me of the vets that they recommend. One of the vets happened to be my old vet in my old neighborhood and another one is a vet in my new neighborhood where I know one of the tech for many years.;) I called both places and found out that the latter of the two is the vet that actually takes care of the puppies in that particular store.
By the way, what Puppy store did you get your pup from Jim? And what kind of pup did you get?

I am still researching this particular place. I don't like the idea of supporting puppy stores, but the fact of the matter is that I like their guarantees, like 2 years on Hip Dysplacia, 5 years on something else and lifetime something or other.:eek: Yeah my faulty memory banks in action here. Of course if I was serious about the purchase I would have made them give it to me in writting.:) I am looking to have this pup after the folks in my house move into their own places and the weather is better for training. So I'd say the Spring....

Know of a Bull Mastiff puppy under 3 months up for adoption? Let me know!!
 

Pinkheine

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I just wanted to clarify one specific thing regarding the poem that I posted. The dogs themselves in the stores may very well be well cared for and healthy at the moment... it is not where they are now, it is where they were and what conditions that the bitches and studs are living in that is the problem.

If you can deal with a local pet store that sells reputable breeders puppies (btw places like that don't exist... no reputable breeder would enlist a pet store to sell their puppies)--- as for guarantees, a reputable breeder will offer a LIFETIME guarantee on their pups health for genetic abnormalities, they will have in contract stating if the dog isn't to be shown and going to a pet only home that it will have to be altered, also that if for any reason the dog can no longer be kept that it should be returned to the original breeder.

I really did not direct my comment directly at anyone and do not want anyone to feel attacked by my opinion on all of this, it is simply something I feel very strongly about. I am not saying that adoption is the only way. We happen to have two pure bred dogs, both from breeders, sold to us as pet only dogs, both altered. We keep in contact with both breeders. One of which is in FL and not breeding or showing any longer, one from the Island.

As for comparing the purchase of a dog to a fish, there is a huge difference IMO regarding that matter. Yes the way in which some if not most specimens are collected sucks... and many die in transit. Though there are completely different reasons for not doing what we all do in that regard.

As for dogs... each breed should be bred to a specific standard for health, temperment, size etc. You will not find these things at dogs bred at a puppy mill. The pet stores offer guarantees like warranties on a car. Have a dog with hip diplasia you got from a pet store... they may refund your money... but the mill will continue to breed those particular lines producing more sub-standard pups. Reputable breeder, tests for these things in advance on bitches and studs to try to eliminate the possibility for these problems.

All I'm saying is if you want to buy a dog, do so empowered with knowledge of where the dog came from, not just that it is healthy in a store window. The store owners may very well be old friends from the neighborhood, doesn't mean that the breeders they get their dogs from are using ethical practices in their breeding.

A simple google of the truth about puppy mills or a search on the show Oprah did on the subject will show a truth that I would think surely would change anyones mind on the matter. Leaving that puppy in the store, discounted or not simply because it is the right thing to do... will change things, along with working towards getting better regulations for the USDA in how these mills are run and operate helps.

The only voice our animals have is our own. We can make the changes. Through knowledge comes power to change.

If we all walked around accepting things as is... if I don't do it someone else will, once it is discounted... nothing would ever change.
 

Awibrandy

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Exactly why I am still researching not only the store, but the breeder himself.;) Yes, I did get the breeder's name and state he is located at! I also asked the store manager to get more info on the pup's parents...
No offense taken Sybil! You know I love you. Gotta run. Dr.'s appt. and getting grands off to school.
 

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I had a long talk one afternoon with my vet that we used for the dog rescue. I posted my thoughts on puppy mills and pet stores and its been said no good breeder sells their dogs to pet stores.. in fact no good breeder will really ship their dogs either.

You may see a website for one breed but its a good chance they are a puppy mill/backyard breeder. Its not that hard for a backyard breeder to toss up 8-10 domains for different breeds of puppies.. the AKC history is also BS unless you plan to show a dog. All a breeder has to do is pay the fee.

So on the the vet.. he was offered to be the "vet" for a local pet store and turned it down due to the petstore always wanting to get clean bills of health. I go into a lot of pet stores all over the NYC area.. I've probably been to 16-20 of them that sell puppies. I would say 60% of them had new dogs younger then 2 months. Their puppy teeth were just coming in for some.

I learned this the hard way when I got a Boston Terrier 6 years ago from a pet store that had a laundry list of problems and had to be put down due to mange and not having an immune system. That is when I started to really research where pet store dogs come from and then worked for a dog rescue and went to some of these dog flea markets where pet stores buy dogs from.

It really is a sad thing to see a mother dog in a small cage and doesn't even get a heat cycle off before she is having puppies.

Yes people who buy pet store dogs may be rescuing a dog buy you are providing money to keep the industry going and making the mother suffer.

Just think of it like this.. the only way to stop spam is to stop people from buying it. The only way to stop the upward suffering is to stop thinking its a good thing to rescue these dogs.

You might get a perfectly healthy dog from a pet store.. yes you will always get one that loves you to death but there is a very good chance you will end up with a dog that has seperation issues later on that can destroy a house or hurt the dog due to being taken from the mother at a too young of age. There is also issues with health.

On top of that I know most places sell new puppies for 2x the cost of a good breeder. Good breeders are not in it for the money. Most will never make 1 cent off breeding dogs. So you are just throwing away money buying a dog at a pet store.

Pet stores make their money on people not being patient enough to wait for a dog from a breeder. People here should be patient enough to wait right?? :) I've seen people wait 2 months for a tank to cycle.. surely you can wait 6 months for a dog that will love you.
 

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I just wanted to clarify one specific thing regarding the poem that I posted. The dogs themselves in the stores may very well be well cared for and healthy at the moment... it is not where they are now, it is where they were and what conditions that the bitches and studs are living in that is the problem
If you can deal with a local pet store that sells reputable breeders puppies (btw places like that don't exist... no reputable breeder would enlist a pet store to sell their puppies)--- as for guarantees, a reputable breeder will offer a LIFETIME guarantee on their pups health for genetic abnormalities, they will have in contract stating if the dog isn't to be shown and going to a pet only home that it will have to be altered, also that if for any reason the dog can no longer be kept that it should be returned to the original breeder.

I really did not direct my comment directly at anyone and do not want anyone to feel attacked by my opinion on all of this, it is simply something I feel very strongly about. I am not saying that adoption is the only way. We happen to have two pure bred dogs, both from breeders, sold to us as pet only dogs, both altered. We keep in contact with both breeders. One of which is in FL and not breeding or showing any longer, one from the Island.

As for comparing the purchase of a dog to a fish, there is a huge difference IMO regarding that matter. Yes the way in which some if not most specimens are collected sucks... and many die in transit. Though there are completely different reasons for not doing what we all do in that regard.

As for dogs... each breed should be bred to a specific standard for health, temperment, size etc. You will not find these things at dogs bred at a puppy mill. The pet stores offer guarantees like warranties on a car. Have a dog with hip diplasia you got from a pet store... they may refund your money... but the mill will continue to breed those particular lines producing more sub-standard pups. Reputable breeder, tests for these things in advance on bitches and studs to try to eliminate the possibility for these problems.

All I'm saying is if you want to buy a dog, do so empowered with knowledge of where the dog came from, not just that it is healthy in a store window. The store owners may very well be old friends from the neighborhood, doesn't mean that the breeders they get their dogs from are using ethical practices in their breeding.

A simple google of the truth about puppy mills or a search on the show Oprah did on the subject will show a truth that I would think surely would change anyones mind on the matter. Leaving that puppy in the store, discounted or not simply because it is the right thing to do... will change things, along with working towards getting better regulations for the USDA in how these mills are run and operate helps.

The only voice our animals have is our own. We can make the changes. Through knowledge comes power to change.

If we all walked around accepting things as is... if I don't do it someone else will, once it is discounted... nothing would ever change.
Syb, I totally understand and sympathize with your feelings!! And agree with you for the most part. Which is why this is something that I will be struggling with for a long time.
As to Breeders guarantee; I've been there. One of my rotties was a disaster and he came from a private reputable breeder out on the Island (?Hauppaugh? spelling) with the pet animal contract that he had to be neutered. She gave us all the "Life Time Guarantee" on temperament, hips etc..... spiel. When I called her all she did was make all sorts of excuses and the "Taking the Dog Back" part came down to "let me see if I can help You find him someone to adopt him". Sure I could have taken her to court, but quite frankly who the heck had the time or money to go to court and more importantly we loved the monster so we decided to deal with him the best we could.
I also purchased a dog as a teenager ages ago from a small local pet store which was another disaster, but that one did go back to the store. They didn't want either of my uncles paying them a visit.;)
As to my comparison between dogs corals and fish; It really wasn't meant to be taken literally. I used that because of what this forum is. Simply stating that we all do things that we wish we could do differently and are all guilty of some way or another of harming animals and worse yet humans around us. And no I am not attempting to excuse our behavior.
As to researching Puppy Mills it is not necessary for me.. Seen the news reports for the past 30+ years as well as the Oprah show.
As to "do so empowered with knowledge" NO Offense taken here Sybil; What do you think I am doing?lol ;) You know my situation with long distance driving. And there does not appear to be any Bull Mastiff Breeders here in NYC or LI.;(
For the third (3) time: If anyone knows of a Bull Mastiff Breeder near by Please let me know...
I had a long talk one afternoon with my vet that we used for the dog rescue. I posted my thoughts on puppy mills and pet stores and its been said no good breeder sells their dogs to pet stores.. in fact no good breeder will really ship their dogs either.

You may see a website for one breed but its a good chance they are a puppy mill/backyard breeder. Its not that hard for a backyard breeder to toss up 8-10 domains for different breeds of puppies.. the AKC history is also BS unless you plan to show a dog. All a breeder has to do is pay the fee.

So on the vet.. he was offered to be the "vet" for a local pet store and turned it down due to the petstore always wanting to get clean bills of health. I go into a lot of pet stores all over the NYC area.. I've probably been to 16-20 of them that sell puppies. I would say 60% of them had new dogs younger then 2 months. Their puppy teeth were just coming in for some.

I learned this the hard way when I got a Boston Terrier 6 years ago from a pet store that had a laundry list of problems and had to be put down due to mange and not having an immune system. That is when I started to really research where pet store dogs come from and then worked for a dog rescue and went to some of these dog flea markets where pet stores buy dogs from.

It really is a sad thing to see a mother dog in a small cage and doesn't even get a heat cycle off before she is having puppies.

Yes people who buy pet store dogs may be rescuing a dog buy you are providing money to keep the industry going and making the mother suffer.

Just think of it like this.. the only way to stop spam is to stop people from buying it. The only way to stop the upward suffering is to stop thinking its a good thing to rescue these dogs.

You might get a perfectly healthy dog from a pet store.. yes you will always get one that loves you to death but there is a very good chance you will end up with a dog that has seperation issues later on that can destroy a house or hurt the dog due to being taken from the mother at a too young of age. There is also issues with health.

On top of that I know most places sell new puppies for 2x the cost of a good breeder. Good breeders are not in it for the money. Most will never make 1 cent off breeding dogs. So you are just throwing away money buying a dog at a pet store.

Pet stores make their money on people not being patient enough to wait for a dog from a breeder. People here should be patient enough to wait right?? :) I've seen people wait 2 months for a tank to cycle.. surely you can wait 6 months for a dog that will love you.
hijinks, I think I've addressed some of your concerns as I answered pinkheime's.
As to; "You might get a perfectly healthy dog from a pet store.. yes you will always get one that loves you to death but there is a very good chance you will end up with a dog that has separation issues later on that can destroy a house or hurt the dog due to being taken from the mother at a too young of age. There is also issues with health." One of my current rescues as separation anxiety issues. Thank God they're not horrific. I got him from the NYCAC&C in Brooklyn 4 years ago. He is beautiful and very loving but is startled easily. It is awful to see him run, skid all over the place just because you walk up on him unexpectedly. He was 6 weeks old when I brought him home, obviously his anxiety issues come from being separated from his mom to early. You can also get dogs/cats with "Health Issues" from shelters as well, it happened to me. North Shore Animal League is the only shelter I know of that will help with the vet bills if you adopt an animal from them that has health issues.
Being patient is not the problem, the problem is that the dog I would love to have is not one being bred anywhere near. And the fact of the matter is that I am looking to get the puppy if I do in fact get it in the Spring, as it will be easier to train. The price being less with the breeders apparently does not apply to this breed either. In my searching breeders it appears that the so called "Good Breeders" prices are as high or higher then the Puppy store that I am considering.
Well, I've probably made this response to long to be posted in it's entirety.
 

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Quick note for everyone. As a veterinarian I see tons of sick puppies every week. Some are rescues and some are purchased. As far as the guarantee goes that is a JOKE. Do you really think you would buy a dog, keep it and become attached, then when you find out the hips are bad, give it back for a new one?
You must also remember most, NOT ALL breeders are in this for MONEY!
I lived in michigan and every single person breed a dog just to make cash off it!
EVERY SINGLE PURE BREED DOG HAS ITS OWN PREDISPOSED ISSUES
there are text books written about this. I have also seen mixed breeds with the same issues.
Honestly, I understand what everyone is saying. Hey, every puppy needs love.
I simply try to promote people adopting, especially an older dog vs. a puppy.

I help people find dogs all the time, its a great thing when you make a match between a dog in need, and someone in search of a best friend. I am more then willing to help anyone here look for a specific breed. As far as a mastif puppy in brindle I agree, its very very difficult. More then happy to help

Not even sure where I am going with this but you just need to realize that puppy store dogs are a higher risk then others. You should check if a breeder gets the parents checked by the OFA. AKC means NOTHING
 

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ALSO, I have meet breeders that are simply in this for the better of the breed. This is just to say that not all are after the money. But lets be honest, MOST are.

just like everything this is a business. I just hate seeing animals put to sleep on a daily basis when they are 100 percent healthy yet nobody wants them!
ok thats all from me, for today at least
 

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I hear you DrCooper! I personally have rescued many dogs and cats. My first rescue was my best buddy for over 16 years. I loved and still do that dog so much. He was the SMARTS dog I ever had the pleasure to share my life with. I could write a book about all of his attributes, but then I'd probably bore you. Currently I have two rescued pitties and three cats as well as my son's dog who I also rescued in front of the NYCAC&C in Bklyn. He never made it in to the shelter.;)
Why a puppy? The reason is simple; With my Nehron and my son's Havic I don't want to take the chance of bringing another adult male dog in to our home.

Your right, I know that I would never be able to surrender my baby because he (God forbid) become ill. Now this puppy store tells me that they would cover the medical bill up to the price I would pay for the pup. And quite frankly that would not be good enough simply because veterinary medicine is quite expensive.

I not only asked for OFA clearance on the parents, but I gave the manager at the store my email address with a list of predisposed ailments known to the Bullmastiff breed, such as "hip & elbow dyplasia, PRA, entropion, hypothyroidism, lymphoma cancer, and cardial. And I'd like pics of the Dam & Sire. You got it, he wasn't to thrilled.lol He said he would see what he could do. I'm not holding my breath waiting to hear back from him.

Doc, if you can help find a male Brindle Bullmastiff under 4 months I would greatly appreciate it.
 

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