Table salt vs "saltwater salt" ???

[headlessblade]

whole world lol, just some ethugs, that think the world revolves around there fish tanks... learn what flaming is... usually looked down on internet forums... and usually gets a members banned.

 

[Deanos]

Nothing said in this thread will get any members banned as you defintely have not been flamed. Also, your use of the term eThug to describe some of the members is surely not conducive to your learning experience. If you're not explicit in addressing 1 person, who exactly are you calling "just some ethugs"? :scratch:

 

[headlessblade]

and negative comments in the beginning stage of getting into a saltwater set up isn't conducive to learning either. Ethug, was in reference to one person, but his "crew" is logging on and adding to the further derailment of my thread. And yes it's flaming (look it up)! this thread is done...

 

[Tonyscoots84]

this thread is done...

about time ...

 

[TimberTDI]

Dude,

What do u think this is the first and only forum we joined? Everyone here knows what flaming is. Yeah, your probably being flamed a bit but you deserved it.

Also, you are no where close to being the first person to ask all these "dumb" questions; it's just that people get tired of see them over and over again. Lately there's been a rash of them. The problem is that almost none of the newbies ever listen. It often goes something like this:

newbie: Hey guys I just threw in 12 dead cooked shrimps to cycle my tank and now the water cloudy. Why?
MR: Take the shrimp out it's not good and so on an so forth
newbie: but why?
MR: insert some more sound advice here.

The above episode may seem harmless and it is; even though this is like the tenth thread of this nature. After 10 or so threads most members get the picture of what's going on with your tank. The problem is that TWO days later we will see a thread like this:

Newbie: Good News!!! My cycle's over and I went to the pet store a coral pack of LPS and Softies. I also bought a few fish. Does anyone know what the secret to keeping these guys alive is? (<-----A dumb question is often concealed in comedy or cuteness.)
MR: Throw their hands up in disgust.

Head, when you first joined MR, i looked at web pages of your flowerhorns. Obviously you have to know what your doing to successfully rear the fry.

Now think of the stupidest question someone could up with about rearing fry. Something like:

"I don't have an extra tank for the fry can I split them 20 to an 8oz dixee cup? The cups are brand new, I never drank out of them or nothing like that. I'll make sure to clean them out real good. Are there any toxins that can leach out of these cups? Now to just make sure my mom doesn't drink them by accident ."

Now imagine hearing that question a thousand times. Put it in our perspective.

Steven

 

[fritz]

You can use beach sand but the color isn't very nice IMO. You also open the door to some very unwanted critters and toxins IMO. You can also use straight up ocean water. Most people would recommend treating it with clorox and then a heavy duty chlorine remover. You would then want to airate the water for 48 hours or so because that chlorine remover will reak havok on your skimmer.

For the labor involved in moving 20 gallons of water, treating it, curing it and airating it I choose to just buy 200 gallons worth of salt for $30. One thing I've found about this hobby is that there are hundreds of people trying to find better ways of doing things. The best thing you can do is learn from their efforts. When you find lots of people saying "this is the best way" that is invaluable. Seriously, it is the culmination of 40 years and countless trial and error scenarios. To ignore group advice on anything in this hobby is to ignore all the gains that have been made in this hobby and start from scratch as if it were 1963.

When I got back into reef keeping (and I recommend this to EVERYONE) go here www.wetwebmedia.com and put in a full work week. Seriously. I read a good 60 hours worth of material (and I read quick) before I started my tank up. Still I made tons of mistakes but ugh I can't even imagine where I'd be without the foundation of knowledge that I came with.

That being said people are upset with you because you are being straight up lazy. If you don't want to put in the time reading up on this hobby you are doomed to fail and we're trying to steer you in the right direction. It would be impossible for us to convey 40 hours worth of reading to you here. If you want to take the short cuts in this hobby I only ask that you spend the money and buy REALLY good equipment so that when you post
"Leaving the hobby, selling everything" there is some good stuff for me to buy cheap. If you decide to do the research necessary to be successful, then welcome to the hobby you're going to love it.

Thanks
Fred

 

[headlessblade]

I've always answered every question with a positive response, no matter how redundant they are. ALSO in response to your question. No you cant put them in there, leave them with the parents, they can usually live with them until there 1inch, but some parents eat there young, so you have to observe them. People take out the pair, because you can get them ready to breed again. If the parents started eating them, and you have no other tanks available, you can easily use a bucket(99c store), deep enough, to put a heater and an air stone, but this is only a temporary solution, depending how how big your fry are. How big are your fry?

 

[headlessblade]

I don't disagree on the advise, it's the minor fact that some ppl here are just trying to be bullies/jerks because they know more about salt water than I do, if you think the question is ridiculous DO NOT respond. It's as simple as that.

 

[TimberTDI]

You see what you posted is sound advice and should be taken seriously. You spelled out it out right there; there's no way around it. Now imagine the poster says," Well I can't afford a 10 gallon tank and I can't get to the 99 cent store so I put them in Tupperware. I've got them in a warm room so heat shouldn't be a problem. I don't have an another air pump so I'm just going to dump the water from one container to another to aerate it. If I do this every hour, will it be OK? By the way my cat can't stop tapping the container. It's hilarious but I put a cover on it just in case."

 

[headlessblade]

(thats a very absurd example, my questions are not that bizarre)
But anyways, in that case, I highly recommend you leave them with there parents, add some plastic plants (cant afford these? shred a few plastic bags, tie to a stone) they will be fine. Use this as a training opportunity, for the parents, they will breed again in 4-6weeks.

 

[TimberTDI]

(thats a very absurd example, my questions are not that bizarre)

Really? Think about it?

 

[DEEPWATER]

reg table salt ,kosher salt ,or salt for the dead sea are not a good salt to use for saltwater tanks .Reason ,is that the salt does not carry any of the essenttial elements that our reef tanks need ,not to mention its way more expensive then instant ocean or reef cystals (salt for reefs)

IE ,,reefsalt has ,calcium ,mag ,alk level at the right place -and so on

reg salt ,kosher salt and dead sea doesnt .


Hope that help

 

[Psycho graphic]

Things were fine until post #4, Headlessblase took this as an insult and it went downhill from there.

If I recieved a reply like that, I think I would be a little pissed too.

 

[digitalreefer]

Ok... I was trying to offer you advice and haven't flamed you at all, but this is getting ridiculous. I advised you to get a few books and start reading, the best advice anyone can give a new reefer and you ARGUED with me that it wasn't needed. Maybe we should start a poll here to see how many successful reefkeepers have many books and how many have none.

The problem isn't the question, the problem is when you argue with the advice given to you. If you can't afford a book cancel your internet service so you have a few extra dollars. Then we won't have to listen to you argue with our advice!

 

[Pseudo]

I guess your question has been answered.

Please no more comments unless it is constructive.

Thanks,

Kasei

 

[e.muehlbauer]

It seems to me that big mountains were being made out of molehills here. I found the first question extremely reasonable, in terms of the differences between sea salt and aquarium salts....I don't think too many references point out that when seawater evaporates, different salts precipitate at different stages, separating them. I didn't know this myself until I read "Salt" by Mark Kurlansky. So, I think it is perfectly reasonable to wonder why evaporated sea salt shouldn't be the same as aquarium sea salt. (From what I gather, the high Mg content of artificial sea salt gives it a lousy taste...) And yes, this is an expensive hobby...so why not cut corners if possible? Years before I was a hobbiest, I was doing graduate work at NYU...there was no budget for Instant ocean, we made it ouselves...it was quite tedious measuring out kilograms of NaCl, then grams of MgSO4, CaCl, then milligrams of all the others. Personally, I'll gladly spent the money on IO rather than do all that work. But plenty of cheap alternatives...identical in fact..exist for what we pay good money for. I have used both ESV aragonite, for $20 a bucket+ shipping, and Southdown Coral Play Sand...for $5 in a 40# bag. There is absolutely no difference between them that I can detect....and the tank set up with Southdown has always been healthy. I don't use kalk, but I have read that Ball's Pickling Lime is the same, at far less...and perfectly safe for fish because its for human consumption. Sure you have to use common sense...I will not put the CaCl that I toss on the street in front of my house into my tank, but for many things, it is perfectly reasonable to search for cheaper alternatives. Take care, Eric

 

[leoskee]

I think it was a good question to ask for a person starting out or looking into the hobby. Its a fair question. Go back to the original post, it does not say anything about him trying to cut corners or being cheap. The MR community has to look at this things with the bigger picture in mind. Over the last week and change I have read some posts that would get people banned from other sites and could jeopardize the good reputation the site has. Being that this is a community that knows each other in some way, shape or form besides posting on threads it is important that everyone respect the opinions, questions, views, etc... that are presented on this forum. Jumping to conclusions or making assumptions about someones intentions is not good practice. The mods have to come to a consensus as to what is acceptable with a zero tolerance policy for all.

 

[DevIouS]

Things were fine until post #4, Headlessblase took this as an insult and it went downhill from there.

If I recieved a reply like that, I think I would be a little pissed too.

& you know what....
You could have been pissed all you want.
Some people can't handle honesty & deserve the "ticking time bomb" their tank will encounter.
If you think my advice was harsh....then people, you will never make it in the real world.

If advice & links were previously thrown at you & you refuse accept or read them.......then hey, don't whine when your faced by verbal "ethugs"
It was not a legitimate question asking the difference of salts, more of a "why can't I use it."
Just like when he goes into using beach sand.

I know it won't stop, but people new to the hobby want simple answers "hand-fed" to them & no-one seems to make an effort in truly learning about the hobby.
When I first started SW tanks, I studied like I was taking finals.
Went to different forums.........then found MR & applied everyone's expirence & answers, along with the basics that I learned about......to a tank I basically set up from wrong advice given to me by LFS's.
It was the added bonus being able to seeing members successful tanks & asking questions up close & personal.
I listen (ed) to advice & take it on my own to research on it more & apply it where I see fit.

Maybe I'm the abnormal one & did things wrong by doing that.

I would never (now or then), think to cut any corners with the basic necessities of this hobby that can affect live-stock.
If your having a tight situation setting up, this is definitely not a hobby you should be in.

Man the f**K up, if you get all uptight & emotional for honest post.

"E-Thug"
Out.

 

[DevIouS]

Ok leoskee. Maybe I was hallucinating when I saw this:

can I use cooking sea salt to make my salt water tank

alright, what you think about using sand from the beach (in the water) and washing it out (at the beach)?

 

[headlessblade]

yep if u bothered to read my posts u would of known I found that, and if you read what you said in "prettyboy"s post and his response... you would see why i sent and email to the admin of this site. I dont believe that this is anyway for a moderator to behave. Plus u just cursed me out lol pathetic