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hi guys i just got my first rodi for my 55 fowlr tank and after using it for 1 day the white pad got brown!!!! now the crazy thing about my tap water is that the nitrate is always 20ppm !! every time i would change the water i was puttin 20ppm. anyway i have really bad algea in my tank. i have a fx5 fulval canister and i dont have a protien skimmer. im almost ready to go into a reef setup . just need a couple of hundreds. i think well i know i must have really bad phospate . i have that slime stuff all over my sand and rocks. so basically what im askin is should i do a whole tank water change or should i do half. i want to remove all that stuff from my tank. im going to get a sump a protien skimmer 30 pds of live rock metal hilde and a uv sterializer. and if i do a whole tank water change would i go through a cycle? i have about 1yr with my tank. pls help. any adivce would help me. really want to get my tank on track want to do this water change when i go into reef , when i get my sump and other equipment
 
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This way you don't shock your aquarium inhabitants with a major change.

Unless you can absolutely be sure that the salinity, ph, Alk, nitrate, amonia, nitrite, and temp are absolutely the same, and guarantee that the water is properly oxeygenate and that the salt is fully and completely dissolved, you will cause problems. These are only the things I can think of off the top of my head, and lets not forget the myrid of things that we don't pay attention to or test for.
 

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Hard to say, but it could take a while, but i would expect to see some improvment in a couple of weeks. Also if you have that much algae, I would go with phospahte reactor, as opposed to a UV. IME ro/di systems do not remove as much phosphate as you would think. Algae issues are usually a sign of high phosphates and high nitrates. Cyano is contingent as on them as well, but also a sign of low flow.
 
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part 2 water change question

im goin to get a predrilled 55 gallon tank. i have bad case of algea , is it ok for me to do a 55gallon water change to the new tank instead of me usin water that i have now in my tank that has high phosphate ? if i do a whole new water for the new tank will i go through a cycle? pls give me some advice .
 

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hi guys i just got my first rodi for my 55 fowlr tank and after using it for 1 day the white pad got brown!!!! now the crazy thing about my tap water is that the nitrate is always 20ppm !! every time i would change the water i was puttin 20ppm. anyway i have really bad algea in my tank. i have a fx5 fulval canister and i dont have a protien skimmer. im almost ready to go into a reef setup . just need a couple of hundreds. i think well i know i must have really bad phospate . i have that slime stuff all over my sand and rocks. so basically what im askin is should i do a whole tank water change or should i do half. i want to remove all that stuff from my tank. im going to get a sump a protien skimmer 30 pds of live rock metal hilde and a uv sterializer. and if i do a whole tank water change would i go through a cycle? i have about 1yr with my tank. pls help. any adivce would help me. really want to get my tank on track want to do this water change when i go into reef , when i get my sump and other equipment

"im almost ready to go into a reef setup.just need a couple of hundreds ":scratch:
 

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This way you don't shock your aquarium inhabitants with a major change.

Unless you can absolutely be sure that the salinity, ph, Alk, nitrate, amonia, nitrite, and temp are absolutely the same, and guarantee that the water is properly oxeygenate and that the salt is fully and completely dissolved, you will cause problems


someone else correct me if i'm wrong but i think that in a fish only the major things to worry about are ph, temp, and salinity. if you match nitrate nitrite and amonia what would be the point of doing the water change??

i would suggest a few large water changes, 25-40% sounds good, separated by at least a few days in between.
 

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I think you need to do a bit of work with what you have now before moving to a reef. RO/DI is a good start, but, you do need to lower your nitrates. Large water changes (30-40%) every 2 days for several cycles, with truly matching pH, T, Sal, are OK, especially as you have no inverts, and your fish (BTW, what do you have?) will be fine. Mix and aerate well, use the same thermometer for tank and SW (even if the thermometer is off by 1 or 2 degrees, at least the 2 water sources will still match), and use a calibrated refractometer. When changing you r water, siphon up as much slime as you can and blow it off the rocks with a turkey baster while siphoning. Add an extra power head to flow, especially into areas that are relatively stagnant, although flow alone will not cure or prevent cyano/algae. Nutrient control is the key.

You're correct that your algae outbreak is from both excess nitrates and probably phosphates in your system. The elevated phosphates are only inferred as you have no test results for them. Get a test kit. Even a Salifert can guide you (I know, yes, Hanna is more accurate, just trying to be cost effective for now). However, even with RO/DI makeup water, you're still adding phosphates every time you feed your fish. Run a phosphate removal product. Phosban is really popular, and a phosban reactor is not expensive. Do NOT run phosban (or other GFO media) in your Fluval, The flow rate will be too high, and the pellets will be ground to dust and released into the tank (not a healthy thing). Actually, as your waste management is an issue, toss the Fluval. Too must detritus gets built up in it and slowly breaks down, adding more nitrogenous waste back to the tank. Unless you're willing to clean it out once a week and use it for carbon, you really should lose it. As you plan on getting set up with a sump, you really don't need it.

Issues of how much LR, lighting, can all wait until you have matters in hand. A skimmer would be helpful right now in getting the tank under control, but I don't know what to tell you on that, as buying a HOB skimmer, when you're adding a sump in the near future, seems wasteful to me. You could get a high quality HOB skimmer and then move it onto the sump, but a skimmer designed for a sump is usually more cost effective and can offer better performance. I'll let others chime in on that one.

Finally, you have a larger problem at hand. Where are you getting your drinking water from?? Nitrates of 20 ppm exceeds EPA standards by double. Never mind purifying water for the fish, you need to address your water source for the humans in your home first. I know you care for your tank and its inhabitants, as do I, but right now you have undrinkable water and that should be your first priority for your own health. You'll get your tank in shape, but invest in some bottled water for yourself, and see about setting up your RO/DI to produce drinking water for yourself as well (no, you can't just drink the water right from the final DI stage).

Where do you live and get your water from?

Henry
 

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