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Sorry if I'm a little fuzzy this time around.. - Been a few short nights and this day has been pretty long....

Good deal on the new LFS! - I would reserve putting any loyalty on one or the other quite yet though.. - Better to see how they operate in person and see how they treat the livestock in their care and how they let it go out the door. (A truly good LFS will question you if you try to buy a combination of things that doesn't normally work out well..)

The price they quoted you IS pretty high for both the RO water and the premixed salt, but considering all you need is about 2.5 gallons every two weeks (buy it in a 5 gal container and you've got basically a months worth of water changes..) Thats not too bad.

DI is DeIonized water. Basically a long word for an effectively final chemical filtration process that pulls (adsorbs) charged molecules from the remaining stuff after its run through the other filters involved in an RO setup. In a nutshell, it finishes off the process and brings the TDS (Total Dissolved Solids) down to 0 whereas just plain RO will usually leave the TDS at around 20.

Distillation processes can sometimes put water in contact with certain metals which can leach off back into the water. A single gallon very likely won't cause you any issue.. A dozen probably won't eaither. But with enough time you could build up the metal concentration in the tank to disastrous levels. -- Better to steer clear of the distilled stuff.

Go with the RO/DI from the LFS if you can.. Second option is the RO from Wallyworld.

On the lights... - Yeah, you can get started with just the ones you have right now to get some water/rock/sand in.. But you'll want to go with one of the PC setups.. Either the 24w (Odyssea or whatever its called) or the 2x9w setup. If the 24w will work and not have the legs hanging off in space, get that.. - The more light, the better! (To a point.. it IS possible to have too much too..)

But... -As long as the rock doesn't have any photosynthetic hitchhikers.. - Yep, you can fill it now.

And yes, most of us do leave our tops open. Pretty much only people who cover are those with small kids who can't seem to leave their damn hands out of it (thats my situation sometimes) or those with fish that are notorious for jumping. Even then, for those with jumpers they usually leave off any glass/acrylic tops and instead go with an "eggcrate" top instead. (Eggcrate meaning the white plastic "grid" usually found in florescent ceiling tile covers..) Like this:
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See the white eggcrate holding the "frag" up?

Not really needed for your setup though.. - Not unless you get a fish thats a known jumper. (Though its not a bad idea to have one to put over the tank before lights out.. - Like I've said before, some fish will freak and jump when the light suddenly go out..)

Good luck, keep everyone posted! :D

Norm
 

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Hey Norm,
Thanks again for all of the knowledge. Really helps me understand the whole jargon of it all.

So I have done some more research on the lighting and am considering either using the 2-10W coralife 50/50 bulbs to make 20W total. They actually make a 20W bulb and I am waiting to hear back from someone on the exact dimensions. If they are small enough, I may be able to get 2 into the current top to make it 40W total. I guess I will find out soon.

So I went to the LFS that I had mentioned and they were totally helpful. Walked me around and explained the differences between different corals, shrimp, snails, crabs, filtration, and just about everything else. I explained what I wanted to do and they were confident I could pull it off, but with lots of hard work and recommended limits. Seems like everyone knows it is better to have less than too much in a tank I guess. One of the guys actually keeps his own 12G nano so that was definitely a plus seeing that someone actually has direct experience with a nano type tank. He was the maintenance guy for the shops clients so his knowledge was excellent all around.

That has led me to try to find out which lighting I can pull off.......or maybe even consider the 12 Gallon Aquapod. My question is, do you think a stock 12G Aquapod is sufficient to ideally keep? I know that will mean that I will need much more live rock, and more water so those are things I need to keep in mind since I may need to jump for the RO system sooner, etc.

I've done the math and it seems like I will be only spending about $100 extra for the actual tank minus the extra live rock and stuff. So I guess that leaves me to think that it may be ideal to spring for the Aquapod which may allow me to keep a little more, and maybe even just stick with it for quite some time before upgrading to a larger tank.

Think I should just bite the bullet and go for the aquapod????? Either way all of our discussions are going to help me except for the lighting issues we discussed. Everything else pertains and was extremely helpful.

Let me know if you think I should stick to my 5 gallon plan, or maybe just go with the 12 gallon for better overall success (Better lighting, Larger Tank with more water=more room, etc).

Thanks!!
 
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Well.. - I'm not personally very familiar with the aquapod, but it looks really similar to the 12g nanocube which was my main tank for the last year and a half till a very generous soul from this board gave me their 72g bow.

From what I could find, the aquapod comes with some options for lighting.. - What lighting were you thinking of for it?

And yeah, the cubes are nice in that pretty much everything you need is all in one compact space and most of the gear is hidden in the back compartment. - I'm thinking of setting my 12g nanocube back up (in the office) actually..
 

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I was thinking of going with the standard Aquapod 12 Gallon with the

1x27w SunPaq Dual Daylight & 1 27w SunPaq Dual Actinic

The other option is the Metal Halide version but I definitely can't spring the extra few hundred dollars. I would rather go with this guy and save the extra cash to buy a MH for my 46 Bow when I'm ready ;)

Think this guy will be a joy like the nanocube? I have a friend who has a brand new one he is willing to sell to me for about $100 or so. It is the newest model.

Guess I would then have to figure out what to do for filtration with the 4 chambers. I've seen all sorts of live rock/refugiums. I would rather not mod it if I can run it close to stock.

Will this lighting be sufficient for the average stuff?
 
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Well.. - I'm not able to find a whole lot out about those lights, but yeah, it looks like it should be fine for average stuff..

Not that they're expensive from what I've seen, but how old are the bulbs in the used setup you're looking at?
 

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Hey Norm,
The system is actually brand spanking new. Not even used yet. A buddy of mine had some type of gift certificate so he bought it with hopes of selling it. To save him troubles of the shipping I said I'd offer him $100 bucks ;) He said he was cool with it.

With the lighting for the 5 gallon I was going to be spending at least $35 to $45 and then I would need to add moonlighting. I was also considering a new aquaclear 20 at $15. So I am already climbing to the $60+ range. I figure for the extra few bucks jump and just get the bigger setup.

I've read all sorts of little querks like them sometimes being hot or needing a little modding to the fans/hood. Some say to swap out the current PowerHead for a maxijet to also help the heating issue.

I've always heard great things about the nano cube but I figure this is readily available and may be worth taking a stab.
 
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Yeah, the biggest issues with the cubes is moisture really.. - Having anything enclosed over the top of the tank and trying to hold back moisture (evaporation) is going to be a potential collecting point.

My 12g JBJ cube blew through both fans, a PC bulb and finally the ballast within a year. - I just scrapped the idea of keeping anything in it except bulbs and reflectors. - It still seems hungry and wanting to eat whats up there though.. - I need to replace a reflector now. (I went with a remote ballast and used the extra space for more light..)
 

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I haven't personally used an aquapod, but I have had a nanocube up and running for over 2 years now. I like the tank a lot. You have to know its limits and shortcomings going into the purchase, but it can turn out to be a really great tank. I got mine for $99, and IMO the shape and look of the tank itself is worth the price. The lights, ph, and "3 stage filtration" that came with the cube were close to useless, but I knew that and I still think the tank is worth it. I had to do a few small mods to mine, but all of the newer models have those mods built in now, so you probably won't have to do much. It wouldnt hurt to change the ph to a minijet, and after that you're probably set. The lighting is good for pretty much any soft corals and maybe some LPS. You can put your heater in the back section, and the display will be nice an clean looking. It will be noticably less cluttered than your 5 gallon would be. It looks like the aquapod is made to fit a nano skimmer too, which is a plus. So, IMO buying the aquapod for $100 would be worth it. You more than double your water volume, get better lighting, and will have a sharper looking display for pretty cheap. The other benefit is there are probably a lot of people around with that same tank that you can get ideas and advice from. Anyway, let us know what you decide, and if you get the aquapod let me know how it's setup. I might have some ideas on a few easy mods if it needs them. Good luck!

And btw, good call on the refractometer. That was one of the best buys I ever made.
 

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Well, from the time I started this post, to now I have learned way more than I ever imagined.....and I haven't even touched the tip of it all yet. From reading tons of forum posts, to talking to random people at LFS's, to messaging I've learned and understand a ton more.

I definitely love my little 5 gallon acrylic, and it will be a little cheaper to set up and maintain ultimately so I am still considering it. I then like the style of the nano cube's and aquapods so that is definitely a cool idea, and is twice the size. Now that I've gotten that far it may even make sense to just go for the 24 gallon and plan to stick with that tank for a while instead of set up my 46 gallon for a while. I'm sort of in a position because I definitely want a tank, but I don't want to spend heaps now.

So with that, I am going to keep reading and learning and in a few days I am just going to decide.

Norm, your insight and information has helped me understand a "Nano Setup" 1000 times over and I appreciate the time. I also thank Meloco14 for chiming in with opinion from another experienced person. and anyone else.

Salt Water RULES!!!!! I am psyched to get a tank going :):):)
 
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:lol:

Good deal.. - Sounds like you already have the #1 ingredient necessary for success...

PATIENCE.

Keep us posted on what you go for. (And remember, pics are great!)

Norm
 

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Hi we are new (2 weeks into first cycle) to marine tanks, but have read lots, from library, bought books and used internet.
I don't know if my advice is any good cos I am very new to this, but I found the following books interesting.
Your first marine aquarium By John Tullock, published by Barrons
Clown fish & sea anemones By John Tullock, published by Barrons
500 ways to be a better marine fish keeper byDave Garratt, Tim Hayes, Tristan Lougher & Dick Mills published byInterpet 2005.
I found some of the books offering conflicting advice but the more recent books seem to follow/mirror the advice given on the forum with live rock and sand being a favoured method of running a tank. We have also done the rounds at LFS and have found one that seems to give good advice and quality stock.
What ever u do I hope it works good luck.
 

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