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bryll

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Hello,

I've spent the last 5 odd months trying to start a marine tank with no luck. I've kept freshwater tanks for some time, and I'm fairly used to that - I new that a marine tank would be a huge challenge, but the conflicting information I keep finding on the net (and getting told by people at my two local aquarium stores) has simply resulted in me being more confused than ever. In fact, I'm no longer even vaguely sure what I'm doing wrong.

I hesitated posting on a forum about this for some time, instead doing lots of googling and waiting, but it's reached the point where I'm only confusing myself by reading more advice from people that isn't about my specific situation, so I figured I'd see what people had to say.

The tank is 3' - so, fairly small, but still many times bigger than the freshwater tanks I keep. The substrate is Aragonite, at the suggestion of someone at the LFS. (I've no idea whether this is a good choice or not - most of the things I later read indicated that if I wanted to keep a reef tank, which was the long-term goal, sand was required)

The filter is a canister filter rated at 700 litres/hr - based on what I've read, that's fine for up to a 180 litre tank. This one (by my maths) is around 125 litres, give or take.

Now for some of the conflicting information I was given that I'm really not sure about:

1) I was told, at first, that I shouldn't replace water until it had finished cycling and had fish in it.
2) I was told that keeping a Molly or two in the tank would help provide ammonia that would break down by the bacteria once the tank was working.
3) I was told to use a saltwater biostarter one per day.
4) I was told that (and read that) starting this way could take a number of months.
5) I was told not to bother with a protein skimmer at first - wait until I'd finished cycling the tank.

By three months, the ammonia levels had reached the point where even the Mollies (which I've found to be quite hardy in freshwater tanks) weren't likely to be happy (4.0+ ppm). The nitrite and nitrate levels hadn't changed at all in all this time.

The next thing I was told was that I did, in fact, need to replace about a third of the tank's volume in water every week.

I started doing this... and a month later, there's not only no changes, but the water's getting hazy.

My thoughts (after hours of reading and searching) are that keeping Mollies in there might actually be causing a problem. Either that, or a protein skimmer IS required at this stage.

Oh... and the two mollies in the tank really loved the saltwater. The female became pregnant, so I moved to her another tank - there, she has spawned nearly 20 fry, and another 3 back in the saltwater tank. (I'm running out of tank space for that many mollies)

So that's my situation. Sorry for the overly long post, but I hope that I can get some advice on my specific situation, rather than more conflicting web pages.

A few details (in case they're important):
The filter is an AquaOne CF-700 and the biostarter is Sera Ammovec Biostarter. Based on the printing on the side of the bottle, I've been adding about 10mls of the stuff each morning.

Thanks again,

Bryll
 
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First off

:welcome:

Now to advice.

The arrogonate is fone for a substraite

1. Water changes during cycling is a debated topic. I would reccomend doing them.
2. You do not need any fish in the tank to cycle it. Get some fresh live rosh and you will be fine.
3. I would not reccomend dosing any thing you can not test for. Most "miricle" additives are a waste of your money.
4. The cycling could take a while. You need to test to see when yours is done.
5. I would reccomed a skimmer from the get go. It will pull out som of the organice and should decrease the time to cycle.

A 1/3 water change per week seams kind of large unless you have a really large bio fish load. If you are going to do weekly water chages 10-20 percent should be fine. You can do larger water change less often if you like. It all depends on your tank.

Could you give the run down on the rest of your gear?
 
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Wazz,
You must not have had enough coffee this morning :lol:

bryll,
Wazzel has given you some good advice there, and he's very right about needing to know more about your set up. Tell us everything about the tank and setup and we'll know how to help you better.

Things like:

Do you have any lr (live rock) in your tank?

Do you use ro/di water or tap? Tap water is a big source of nutrient import into a tank and "can" do more harm than good.

What is your lighting situation?

List everything, even if you think it's not important.
 
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The arrogonate is fone for a substraite

Get some fresh live rosh and you will be fine

I just got a tickle out of it, that's all. Not that I can spell any better :lol:
 

dnorton1978

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Bryll,

I just wanted to say hang in there. Everything you read and hear will almost always vary person to person. I am not going to give any advice, in fear that it may further confuse you.

Keep in mind, many people have their own way to do things, and it may work great for them, but not for another person. With that being said there are certain standards, like live rock, and protein skimming.

What you will need to do is continue reading and decide what makes the most sense to you. Follow the advice that the bulk of people offer, not the one or two guys that swear by something.

If you would like my advice, as to what worked for me, I will give it to you when asked.

Good luck
 

bryll

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Thanks for your advice, guys! Okay, to answer some questions and give more info:

I started with tap water with some store-recommended water-conditioner, and (obviously) marine salt.

Since I started doing water changes I've been buying water from the shop, 25 litres at a time, and changing that amount each week. (that's about a quarter or a bit more of the total volume)

The two lights I have are 30 watts each, one is a Hagen marine-glo and one is a power-glo...

There's no live rock in the tank - I was told that live rock isn't a good thing to put in until the water's finished cycling. (Of course, I've been told a lot of things...)

What's really concerning me now, however, is that in the last 4-5 days the tank has become increasingly murky - in fact, it's starting to look like Sydney Harbour! (Worrying)

The five mollies (two adults and three babies) seem just fine. (Of course, I'm becoming convinced that mollies are actually invulnerable)

I just took a shot of the tank with my phone (so sorry about the quality)... you can see the green hazyness that's happening.

I also just took more readings in the tank - salinity levels are slightly lower than they should be (not sure how that works, unless the marine water I'm buying is less saline).

Ammonia is between 0.25 to 0.5 (which is roughly where it seems to sit at right before a water change).

No nitrite, no nitrate, and pH is at about 8-8.2.

Thanks again for the advice - and don't worry, I won't be giving up! I got into this knowing that it'd be a complicated learning experience, and for me the stuff I'm learning trying to make this work is 3/4 of the fun. I wouldn't be doing this if I just wanted something that looks nice in my living room. :)

Photo of tank, complete with Sydney Harbour-style green haze
 

dnorton1978

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LOL.

I feel the color you seeing is part of your cycle. You should put some live rock in there though. As for the advice on waiting, they are probably saying that because you may loose some cool critters on the rock, but that should be acceptable keeping in mind the end result.

This is just my opinion as to what I would do. Bare in mind others may agree or disagree. From there you must weigh the advice from everyone and form your own plan of attack.
 

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