eat wildcaught fish!

[clarionreef]

Aquacultured fishes or wildcaught takes on a new demension when Americans are threatened, lose their jobs and their way of life.
A salmon debate rages as this season looks to be a bad one but the knee jerk praise of anything cultured may finally run into resistance as wild caught trade fights back.
None other then John McManus of Earth Justice says;
" We hope to raise the profile of wild salmon and of coastal fisherman who catch them because we need both of them. Coastal communities have survived and evolved on the salmon runs. Without salmon, we don't have fisherman, and our coastal communities suffer."
Chef Parke Ulrich of the Farallon restaurant in S.F.has joined the campaign.
"We made the decision almost 10 years ago to try and serve as sustainable a fish as we could, and over 10 years we have become tighter on that commitment." As a result he uses no farmed salmon.
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Earth Justice says chefs like Ulrich help the cause by buying wildcaught salmon.;
"This will show Congress that consumers support for wild over farmed salmon, and it will support fishing families.
Paul Johnson a fish cookbook author [writes;
'They are ocean trolled and individually handled by small boat fisherman, which makes them better quality. I compare it to store bought blackberries. They never really sing with flavor."
McManus says;
We can get this fish back. We absolutely can. They're a renewable resource. The ocean isn't letting us down. Its the freshwater habitat thats caused our declines. If there is political will, we could restore most West Coast salmon run within 10 years."

The importance of the welfare of fisherman seems to increase when they are our own.
How bout that Earth justice group,huh?
You rarely hear much public defense of fisherman....as they link to the welfare of the sea.
Steve

 

[Anonymous]

There is a HUGE differnece between AC salmon and other AC fish. The mear fact they brought east coast salmon to the west coast changes that battle completely.

To truly fight the battle for wild salmon you'd have to not use any more power Steve. The damns on the rivers are one of the major hurdles for them. You'd also have to give up lumber as most water sheds that support salmon on the west coast are being logged and ruined due to siltation. Are the wild salmon fisherman doing anything to help that? Most definitely not. They are only crying fowl. I happen to know more then a handfull of commercail salmon fishermen and 90% of them drive large "duly" trucks where ever they go They dump oil when no one is looking. They'll toss dead undersized fish back over. They shoot seals or use seal bombs to kill them. Yup, great group of guys to protect Steve :lol: The environmental factors FAR out compete the AC vs WC fish issue. The habitat is not being destroed by salmon farms, that's for sure :lol:

 

[clarionreef]

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Exactly;
What could be dumber then planting Atlantic salmon over here?
Where did these guys get their science?
The key point is that to save wild West coast salmon...you necessarily have to let the Klamath breathe again.
To save the Klamath automatically saves millions of wild salmon as a dividend.
The diversion of water to the South for agriculture and suburban lawns is in fact the trade off...
And...if the er...character of the prototypical salmon fisherman is relevant here...then so might be the character of the fine gentleman who cut down the forests.
Steve

 

[Anonymous]

Even if all water flowed to the ocean in the Klamath, you'd have to remove the what,12 damns, generating eletricity on it in order to really open it up. That power is used thru out the west coast.

Point being on the commercial fishermen, most do not care about the environment, but rather, their bottom line. If dumping oil ladden water into the ocean rather then paying to have it recycled is pro environment, you can call me Zues If the AC salmon didn't threaten their bottom line, they'd be all for it :lol:

FWIW< I come from a commercial fishing family, I kinda know how they think :lol: My first job was on a boat before I even turned 10 My parents didn't look for me at the arcade, they called the harbor and asked if anyone down there had seen me. Typically the answer was "yes, he's down on the docks fishing", or, "he's out on the boat"

 

[clarionreef]

"the commercial fishermen, most do not care about the environment"
Well thats true...same as consumers...
Maybe thats why the chefs are the spokesman.
Hey, we drifted off the reef...
Steve

 

[Anonymous]

Nah, we're still on a reef, it's just a very cold one now

It's the chefs that created many problems in the past..... Just look at the Patagonian toothfish. No one even knew about it until the chefs started creating the craze. They've done that one in big time. Granted, it's also the chefs that lead the whistle blowing on that one as well though. They started seeing the size of filets, etc, go way down.

Shoot, I think I should just drive up and we can have this conversation in person :lol: No one else has anyting to say on this matter, not even the fishery biologist I saw lurking earlier

 

[Anonymous]

WC tastes a heck of alot better than farm raised crap.

 

[Anonymous]

I've never had WC cobia, but farmed sure tastes good Most of the AC shellfish I've had has been supurb, better the WC in most cases (and safer).

 

[trido]

If there is political will, we could restore most West Coast salmon run within 10 years."

To what extent? The way it was ten, or twenty years ago.
A little back ground for reference. I grew up on a small tributary of the Columbia river in Washington called the Methow river. Since 77' I have seen the salmon and trout slowly disappear as well as the water level.
As the glaciers slowly disappear and more wells get drilled to support a growing population, the aquafir drops taking the level of the river slowly with it. The fishing holes are smaller and fewer and the spawning grounds for the salmon are almost gone. This is only one 30 mile tributary of the big picture. The Dept of fish and game has cut back fishing to "catch and release" only on trout and the caught salmon are closely monitored. All of the dams on the columbia have had their fish ladders reingineered and rebuilt to be more fish friendly and alot of the irrigation ditches that kept the farmers fields wet have been dried up to "save the salmon". To bad the farmers livelihood suffers.
In short, the salmon runs of Washington are better than they were five or ten years ago but will never be "restored".
I also worked on a fishing ship in Alaska from 93-97 for the second largest fishing corp. on the west coast. We processed snow crab, cod, salmon, herring, and king crab. The ship is no longer in use due to lack of fish.
Despite fish and games most valiant efforts to regulate limits. IMO there is no restoring any fish runs on the west coast because we will use up (eat) any extra surplus there might be from year to year. There will never be enough political will because it is all about industry and money. Again, this is JMO.

 

[dizzy]

Despite fish and games most valiant efforts to regulate limits. IMO there is no restoring any fish runs on the west coast because we will use up (eat) any extra surplus there might be from year to year. There will never be enough political will because it is all about industry and money. Again, this is JMO.

Plus we have got to have more food and water for all the new people coming into the country. These problems are likely to get worse before they get better. Feeding a large family is job one.

 

[Anonymous]

unless humanity as a whole becomes far more efficient at EVERYTHING, far less wasteful with ALL resources, and slows down in the breeding dept., my guess is wide spread population crashes across the globe within 100 years, and more localized diasters (famine, drough, etc) within 50-we already have more people than present day agricultural/livestock raising practices can provide for, and reduce the environments ability to produce on a daily basis

the next big war in the mideast will be fought over water, not oil

 

[spawner]

You know that Wild Pacific Salmon taste 10000000 times better than aquaculture salmon. Yeap its that much better. Now that said, there would be no salmon left if you were harvesting the amounts that they grow in captivity. So the best thing is that for us that know better, we always get fresh wild fish when we can and the rest of the suckers can eat artfically colored salmon. I also enjoy properly grown captive fish as well. Salmon farming out side the US is killing the coast line in Chile and other countries. Just hope the Chinese leave the posion out of the human food for a bit longer than they did in our cat food.

 

[Anonymous]

Dunno about that Andy, you've heard about the tainted AC fish food right?

I'm with Vitz, water is the future. Heck, China will collapse in what, 20 years they say, if they can't get their water situation improved? They're sinking the largest amount of money ever spent on moving water, largest hydrolic project ever to date.

Just for the record, I never said wild salmon didn't taste good . Salmon is one I prefer wild caught as well, but like Andy said, let's let them all else eat the AC and we'll get the real deal. I get mine right off the boat usually, so I guess I'm spoiled :lol: