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DEEPWATER
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Gimme a few hrs ,waiting on a call and this deal may this go through
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DEEPWATER said:
no doubt here - i totally understand what you are going through, and it brings back memories about what disgusts me about the pet industry on whole!
i had an XXXXX Pet Supply account years ago and had similar problems once they realized i was selling from home, on ebay, because it went back to a LFS where i used to work briefly during HS.
my point with them was what does it matter? the funny thing is i know how it used to be from the LFS, whenever my boss called to order new supplies 10 minutes would be the order and the other 10 mins would be gossip and small talk.
anyways, i have like 275+ poz feedbacks rating on Ebay from selling all those goodies years ago with a small markup just to "help some brothers out" and for fun, but since i no longer have my XXXXX account anymore, i am no longer re-selling, nor an Ebay PowerSeller
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This type of stuff happens in all industries. In both of my businesses I have had it happen. In the telecom business I was pretty upset that another dealer started mixing in Grey Market product with legit product (Grey market is product that was intended for a less expensive market like Mexico or Canada) it was agains't the rules, but because they were still flying the "Authorized Dealer" banner it was hurting sales because they were breaking the rules and dropping prices below my cost.
In the case of my coin business, I offered a special on a certain non-coin item and some of the larger dealers called the distributor to complain.
Unfortunately stuff like this happens. Especially if the manufacturer sets a minimum sale price. Also, a store that has a brick and mortor operation can be hurt badly if a small guy comes out with a price considerably lower. Customers start to lose confidence in them and feel ripped off, customers generally dont think about the $10,000 rent they are paying etc.
I used to belly ache everytime I was charged high labor rates until I started my own business. Now I have a 25K overhead and people belly ache about MY "high" labor rate. ;-)
Anyway, as long as the price was not set by the manufacturer or distributor and you are a legitimate business (With a resale certificate and company) it is illegal for them to do what they did, irregardless of whether or not you operate out of your home. The US has very strict monopoly laws and if your supplier cuts you off because of it they can get in big trouble.
-Alfred
In the case of my coin business, I offered a special on a certain non-coin item and some of the larger dealers called the distributor to complain.
Unfortunately stuff like this happens. Especially if the manufacturer sets a minimum sale price. Also, a store that has a brick and mortor operation can be hurt badly if a small guy comes out with a price considerably lower. Customers start to lose confidence in them and feel ripped off, customers generally dont think about the $10,000 rent they are paying etc.
I used to belly ache everytime I was charged high labor rates until I started my own business. Now I have a 25K overhead and people belly ache about MY "high" labor rate. ;-)
Anyway, as long as the price was not set by the manufacturer or distributor and you are a legitimate business (With a resale certificate and company) it is illegal for them to do what they did, irregardless of whether or not you operate out of your home. The US has very strict monopoly laws and if your supplier cuts you off because of it they can get in big trouble.
-Alfred
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Alfredo De La Fe said:
Exactly. the issue is the big guys get on the phone (with each other or with their distributor or their distributors) and joke about the new guy that doesn't even have a store location yet.
Alfred is right, distributors many be in violation of anti-trust type laws if they gouge or blackout pricing offered to select retailers based on demographics.
armed with a resale certificate (which includes the NYSTax ID # which is a variation of the FED Tax ID #) and hopefully Letters of Incorporation, as far as bonafide retailer entitlements, it doesn't matter whether you sell out of your garage, basement or Park Avenue. Creditworthiness as well as volume are whats supposed to determine your approval and continuance of distributor accounts.
Deepwater do you currently sell out of a storefront or residence?
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Guys, fact of the matter is, wholesalers can get around laws easily by manufacturing information that DW broke company policy, suggested retail prices etc and the company can choose to not do business with DW. They can choose, albeit illegal, but easily circumvented.
If the LFS were so pissed, then why don't they step up and work this kind of deal out - they could add it onto thier existing orders and get 5000 lbs of salt - drive their unit price down and sell for the same amount - increasing thier profit margin - smart business if you ask me.
Problem is that businesses aren't in for the greater good - the only greater good is having to feed their families - understood, but cutting someone's feet out is totally lame - I wonder when the last time the health department payed the LFS a visit? Or even the building inspectors - I wonder if the fire department paid them a visit if thier sprinkler systems, eagis for exit are unrestricted etc - what about sanitation, are they aware of disposal activities? I bet only the really large stores pay (can afford to) for private carting.
One thing I love most and respect most about this board is when you do good things, people reciprocate - will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
Please refund my paypal directly so I can order it for $5 more with free shipping from an online vendor - just plain stupid.
House
If the LFS were so pissed, then why don't they step up and work this kind of deal out - they could add it onto thier existing orders and get 5000 lbs of salt - drive their unit price down and sell for the same amount - increasing thier profit margin - smart business if you ask me.
Problem is that businesses aren't in for the greater good - the only greater good is having to feed their families - understood, but cutting someone's feet out is totally lame - I wonder when the last time the health department payed the LFS a visit? Or even the building inspectors - I wonder if the fire department paid them a visit if thier sprinkler systems, eagis for exit are unrestricted etc - what about sanitation, are they aware of disposal activities? I bet only the really large stores pay (can afford to) for private carting.
One thing I love most and respect most about this board is when you do good things, people reciprocate - will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
Please refund my paypal directly so I can order it for $5 more with free shipping from an online vendor - just plain stupid.
House
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Dirty pool... But the big guys dont do what you suggest because they would lose money. (You need to add the labor associated with receiving and selling the salt, the storage space, etc. to come up with the true cost of the product)
-Alfred
-Alfred
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all that over just SALT. i am just imagining what goes on over someone placing sales on higher markup items. HOL's suggestion about compliance is a great one. all businesses are supposed to trade fair and square, no if ands or buts. unless we just rather our tax dollars go toward anarchy. when i was a newbie i paid $20 for a 50 gal bag of salt, and that was 10 yrs ago! truth be told, this site is about karma. what goes around comes around. do good, and you get good back. most likely whatever fat pig or pigs cut DWs feet are used to lurking on this board doing it. it will come back around to them.
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Chiefmcfuz
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I understand where everyone is comming from and I am on Ronnens side 1000000 percent. However, I had a brain fart. The fact is with a tax cert or not they managed to bully(bury) ronen around and it isn't right. If I were him I would call 311 and ask about the possibility of the city's better buisniness dept to step in and also call the manufacturers directly that he deals with and see about reporting this practice to them as well. I am sure that no criminal offense has been commited but not so sure about a civil case, I would run that by a lawyer. NYC pays alot of lawyers alot of money to do this through many of their departments. 311 is that gateway. Hey Lodge a complaint, they have to talk to you if you call and may be able to help out more than you know, if they can't they will tell you, then the only way to stop it is to stop shopping at these stores.
alot of money to do this through many of their departments. 311 is that gateway. Hey Lodge a complaint, they have to talk to you if you call and may be able to help out more than you know, if they can't they will tell you, then the only way to stop it is to stop shopping at these stores.
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Chief:
It is a very delicate balance for a small business. If he does what you suggest, he runs the risk of allienating himself with the suppliers. This is a TINY industry and everyone knows everyone else. While they would probably still deal with him, it would be a LONG time before he ever got any special deals.
-Alfred
It is a very delicate balance for a small business. If he does what you suggest, he runs the risk of allienating himself with the suppliers. This is a TINY industry and everyone knows everyone else. While they would probably still deal with him, it would be a LONG time before he ever got any special deals.
-Alfred
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