New Catalina Goby

[danny]

colder temps

My dentist keeps his water temp at 68 degrees & his lps & leathers are huge & has a squamosa clam for over 10 years. So if you acclimate correctly I see no problem since he has done the opposite in keeping fish & corals which should be in temps arounds 78 at 68 degrees.

 

[mheaven]

It's one thing to go by what people tell u what is right or wrong. If we are going that route then we all need to get rid of our coral, set up an Olympic size pool and keep one frag 1"x1". At least that's what the experts say. Now should we all do that? If I'm not mistaken that's what Julian sprung said if we want to replicate the volume of water to corals in the ocean. I'm not one to tell people what's right and what's wrong. But I will try it and if it works for me that that's great. After all with everything we as humans do it's trial and error. Just my $.02



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[tosiek]

It's one thing to go by what people tell u what is right or wrong. If we are going that route then we all need to get rid of our coral, set up an Olympic size pool and keep one frag 1"x1". At least that's what the experts say. Now should we all do that? If I'm not mistaken that's what Julian sprung said if we want to replicate the volume of water to corals in the ocean. I'm not one to tell people what's right and what's wrong. But I will try it and if it works for me that that's great. After all with everything we as humans do it's trial and error. Just my $.02



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People are just saying whats the proper way of keeping things and they are right. For any one odd parameter fish/coral that has survived in the opposite parameter type tank, i can assure you hundreds have died elsewhere in peoples tanks. How far should we be pushing the envelope to get something to live in our tanks thats not supposed to? I think it matters when your testing waters, trial and error, "seeing if you get lucky" when the life of an animal is at stake. Its not like your painting a swatch on your wall to see if a color works in the room or not.

Im not trying to be all tree hugger about it and I have done the same with mandarins and scooters but its the truth. It has to start stopping somewhere and guess where that somewhere is.

 

[TRIGGERMAN]

Every great discovery/invention came from people who had imagination. Without imagination and the will to try new things we wouldn't have reef tanks or computers. We would be living in caves, eating rodents and scratching our animal skin covered bodies.

There's a few pennies for thought.

 

[DHaut]

Imagination works when you're a pioneer, not when you do the exact same thing lots of other people have done.

 

[jr973]

thats a great lookin goby

 

[TRIGGERMAN]

well if so many people have done it then why do you disagree?

 

[DREUTZ]

The guy at the LFS said that you will basically slowly cook it until it dies. But hey, these reefs are for decoration only and we shouldn't care about actually keeping stuff alive because we can always go back into the ocean for more!

 

[DHaut]

well if so many people have done it then why do you disagree?

Done what? Killed countless gobies? Or are you referring to the maybe 1% that have succeeded in keeping a cat. goby for more than two weeks and insisting it's "thriving?"

i'm not here to argue - OP can do what he wants with his money/tank/creatures. i just think this move is rather irresponsible is all.

 

[beerfish]

well if so many people have done it then why do you disagree?

Because I'm not a sheep.

Plenty of people do stupid things on a regular basis, but they shouldn't be encouraged. People have survived falls from airplanes without parachutes... this doesn't mean we should all try it. (Although I suppose natural selection does have its advantages.)

Let's throw this out there... you're outside in a short sleeved shirt. It's 60 degrees out. Suddenly it's 30 degrees. How long would you last?

If you jump out of a plane with no parachute... you only have yourself to kill. If you stand outside with summer clothes in 30 degree weather, your frostbite is your own. If you kill a fish that you shouldn't have kept in the first place.... you suck.

 

[Acone15]

This is a picture of my Catalina Gobby today. As you see he looks much bigger than the first few pics. I think he liked the warmer water and the flakes I have been giving him. I thank all you for the advice and for triggerman for sticking up for me. I hope you take a look at my Catalina Gobby for the last time because I'm about to place him in 375 degree water, eat him for dinner. I hope the water don't hurt him. Peace, love, and rainbows!


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[beerfish]

This is a picture of my Catalina Gobby today. As you see he looks much bigger than the first few pics. I think he liked the warmer water and the flakes I have been giving him. I thank all you for the advice and for triggerman for sticking up for me. I hope you take a look at my Catalina Gobby for the last time because I'm about to place him in 375 degree water, eat him for dinner. I hope the water don't hurt him. Peace, love, and rainbows!


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At least it would be a quick death that way.

 

[TRIGGERMAN]

This is a picture of my Catalina Gobby today. As you see he looks much bigger than the first few pics. I think he liked the warmer water and the flakes I have been giving him. I thank all you for the advice and for triggerman for sticking up for me. I hope you take a look at my Catalina Gobby for the last time because I'm about to place him in 375 degree water, eat him for dinner. I hope the water don't hurt him. Peace, love, and rainbows!


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LMAO I like this kid..you got moxy my boy!

 

[TRIGGERMAN]

Because I'm not a sheep.

Plenty of people do stupid things on a regular basis, but they shouldn't be encouraged. People have survived falls from airplanes without parachutes... this doesn't mean we should all try it. (Although I suppose natural selection does have its advantages.)

Let's throw this out there... you're outside in a short sleeved shirt. It's 60 degrees out. Suddenly it's 30 degrees. How long would you last?

If you jump out of a plane with no parachute... you only have yourself to kill. If you stand outside with summer clothes in 30 degree weather, your frostbite is your own. If you kill a fish that you shouldn't have kept in the first place.... you suck.

Beer I think you are a funny guy and 99 times out of 100 I agree with you. However I don't understand how you can say you're "not a sheep", When that's EXACTLY what you are being if you are let's say "agreeing with the masses". Anything is possible and it has been proven in this thread by several people that this fish can live happily in warmer waters without a problem. Fish have been around for BILLIONS of years so maybe we should not worry so much about them considering they outlived every single creature that roamed earth throughout volcanos and blizzards and everything else that happened. Oh and by the way if you are saying that the water will go down into the 50's that's a pretty drastic change. Why would they be able to handle temp change from the 70's to 50's and not low 70's to high 70's? Please educate me. I'm pretty sure the LFS doesn't keep their tank at 63, I would love to know what temp they have it at. Acone maybe you can go there or call and ask them.

 

[beerfish]

No one has proven in this thread that they can keep these animals in a reef long term.

I could put up the same fight for smoking. Smoking is fine, because I've done it for a year and I'm still alive. I'm supposed to breathe air, but I can acclimate to smoke. Plenty of people smoke, so it's not bad for me.

I never said that these fish can't survive in a reef tank, but their lifespan will be shortened considerably if they're not kept in their native climate.

This fish has specific care requirements, much like a mandarin, a seahorse, a carnation coral, etc. All of the above can survive short term in a tank that doesn't provide the proper requirements, but without long term change they will not survive long.

Since these fish are not captive bred, it seems like a bad idea to take a fish from the ocean without attempting to provide long term care for it.

 

[jrobbins]

Every great discovery/invention came from people who had imagination. Without imagination and the will to try new things we wouldn't have reef tanks or computers. We would be living in caves, eating rodents and scratching our animal skin covered bodies.

There's a few pennies for thought.

Ok, except for the fact that there is no great mission of discovery here. There is no imagination here, no breaking of ground, no big discoveries over the horizon. He is not going to magically breed a warm water catalina goby, nor is he doing any sort of scientific tests on it. This is no more scientific than trying to make mice breath water in your bath-tub, or seeing if your dog can live in a meat locker for any length of time.

The fish is a cold water fish. All that is going to happen is that he will shorten its life unnecessarily. Honestly that is the end of the story.

 

[cowfish]

because i'm not a sheep.

Plenty of people do stupid things on a regular basis, but they shouldn't be encouraged. People have survived falls from airplanes without parachutes... This doesn't mean we should all try it. (although i suppose natural selection does have its advantages.)

let's throw this out there... You're outside in a short sleeved shirt. It's 60 degrees out. Suddenly it's 30 degrees. How long would you last?

If you jump out of a plane with no parachute... You only have yourself to kill. If you stand outside with summer clothes in 30 degree weather, your frostbite is your own. If you kill a fish that you shouldn't have kept in the first place.... You suck.

+1000

 

[mheaven]

Like I said and will say it again the one I have will be 1 year in my tank in october and ido have a temp swing from 74 in winter(February ) and 81 in summer (august ). And also are we going to break down our tanks and set up our Olympic size swiming pool for our corals? At least that's what the "experts" say we should have.


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[beerfish]

It's one thing to go by what people tell u what is right or wrong. If we are going that route then we all need to get rid of our coral, set up an Olympic size pool and keep one frag 1"x1". At least that's what the experts say. Now should we all do that? If I'm not mistaken that's what Julian sprung said if we want to replicate the volume of water to corals in the ocean.

FYI It was Eric Borneman that used this anology.
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-07/eb/index.php

He also, in the use of this analogy, provides ways that we can overcome the limits of our smaller tanks, giving us a reasonable chance of keeping most of our animals happy and healthy. He's not telling people that they should keep a 1" frag in a pool, he's using it as an example to educate people and show the magnitude of what we're doing by keeping a tank.

There's also a way to overcome a shortened lifespan of a temperate fish. Keep it in temperate waters.

 

[tosiek]

A few months to a year is the typical lifespan in warm water tanks. They average 2 years when kept in tanks set to their natural temp. Maybe you might be able to push till december or maybe you got lucky and it lasts longer. In the end it doesn't really matter, the majority of them still don't last long in warm waters and plenty will die before yours turns 1 yr old in other peoples tanks trying to do the same thing or not knowing any better.

And beerfish is right, it was meant as an example to explain and educate.