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Mattl22

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I'm a little sick of buying snails and hermits just too have my hermits kill the snails or the dumb snails that can't right themselves and end up crab food! Also you get red bugs and ur clean up crew is done! Ed recommended to me using star fish and other critters in that family urchin cucumber etc as a alternative to snails and hermits! Which do u guys recommend? And how many for a 75 gal I have a bunch of hermits and snails in there but not near enough
 

tosiek

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Its what you have to do man. The snails and hermits along with an optional cuc are the workhorses of your clean up crew. Everything else is decoration.

You can get away with not having a cleaning crew but you wil have to manually remove the waste behind rocks and the stuff that the clean up crew usually does. The choice is yours, 20$ for restocking every 6 months or doing it manually every week or two for an hour.
 
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I like cucumbers for general sand cleaning but like Tosiek said, you aren't going to get away from snails and hermits. In my tanks I like to use snails and mix in just a few hermits but nowhere near the number of snails. I think that snails general foraging keeps the rocks clean enough and the hermits are just there for the stuff that gets jammed into hard to reach places in the rock and the flow should take care of the rest. That way you don't have to worry about hermits killing the snails. A good mix of snail species can keep even large tanks very clean.

You also need to consider how much of a clean up crew your tank can support. No two tanks are going to create the same amount of food. I like to add snails and hermits in small groups to avoid overstocking. Over time the number will dwindle but some of that is due to a lack of food if you are doing everything right.
 

basiab

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Solve the hermit killing snail problem by not using hermits. Solve the dumb snail problem by not using Astrea snails. There are plenty of different algae eating snails plus limpets that can do the job. Then for cleaning up detritus use snails like Nassarius that are good for that. In any case snails eventually die so they do have to be replaced periodically.

Also, don't expect a crew to solve algae problems. If you have it under control they can clean up what you have. But if you have major issues with algae you first have to resolve that problem and get it under control.
 
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Treef

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Banded trochus are good snails to use, they can right themselves, travel all over the tank and mine have been fending off hermits pretty well. When the hermits latch onto to them they start flinging their shells back and forth and the hermits eventually go flying

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KathyC

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Sand Sifting Stars, Nudibraches, and Sea Apples I heard were spectacular at that!

Many Nudis are poisonous/toxic when they die and can wipe out a tank. They should never be used unless you are 100% sure of they type you have and know the consequences of keeping these creatures.
Sea Apples are also toxic when they die
Sand Sifting Sea Stars eat detritus, left over food and then move onto other critters in your sand-bed. Once they run out of food they tend to bury in the sand and die unless you keep feeding them.

Best off to use the right mix of snails and know that they DO need to be replenished as they will die off over time.

BTW- do you have any fish in your tank that are killing off your clean up crew because they are a tasty treat for many types of fish?
 

tentacles

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If you get snails that are significantly smaller/larger than your hermits, they won't go after them as often. Like everyone else said, you do need to replenish, but there are plenty of no nonsense snails that will keep your tank clean.

and just no on sea apples.
 

TRIGGERMAN

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Many Nudis are poisonous/toxic when they die and can wipe out a tank. They should never be used unless you are 100% sure of they type you have and know the consequences of keeping these creatures.
Sea Apples are also toxic when they die
Sand Sifting Sea Stars eat detritus, left over food and then move onto other critters in your sand-bed. Once they run out of food they tend to bury in the sand and die unless you keep feeding them.

Best off to use the right mix of snails and know that they DO need to be replenished as they will die off over time.

BTW- do you have any fish in your tank that are killing off your clean up crew because they are a tasty treat for many types of fish?
+100..trying to save a few bucks by not buying snails and buying a sea apple or something like it could definitely wipe out your entire tank costing you thousands. The trick is having enough food available and also having plenty of EXTRA SHELLS. Hermits are nomadic scavengers, as they grow they look for a new home so if there isn't any proper sized empty shells laying around they will have no problem ripping apart an astrea snail or the like to take the shell. Also providing food for them so they don't necessarily have to scavenge the whole tank to eat. I noticed hermits are lazy they would rather rip a snail apart than go searching for food. I feed very heavy since I have lots of LPS colonies and my tank goes NUTS at feeding time. I got hermits jumping off rocks to get food on the bottom shrimp come running out of every hole and there is plenty for everyone. A few things to take into consideration.

I have tons of extra shells if you want some.
 

howze01

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Setting up a new tank soon and I'm staying away from any hermits or Shrimp. Well, my Sexys and Harlequin can move to the new tank but the jerk off of a cleaner shrimp isn't moving. Tired of seeing him and the hermits pull food out of my corals.
 
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Yes, my CUC is unconventional.

I got tired of the vicious cycle of restocking snails and the temperment of certain hermits so I largely did away with them. I keep quite a few stars, 5 pincushion & tuxedo urchins and 3 sand sifting sea cucumbers.

My current CUC worked very well for me in the past year. Those that had seen my tank knows that my tank is algae-free, and those that know me on a personal level might know that I'm really not scrubbing my rocks and glass regularly.

This CUC configuration is a liability too.

The urchins are absolute, voracious algae eaters. Be warned, as they're also liabilities at large. They will mow down on long hair algae, even stuff snails will ignore, and bulldoze through unstable rock structures and unsecured corals, in the relentless search for more algae. These urchins will also grind off coraline algae and will happily decorate themselves with your favorite & most expensive frag. I have my pieces nailed down good, sort of speak.

The mix of stars I have are about a dozen various fromia stars, a few mystery deepwater stars, a few red serpents and this spikey, dark red star that moves like smoke. The fromias seem to be detrivores and living off biofilms. The get their arms into the crevices that hermits can't seem to access. These can suck because if my water chem changes drastically, some of these stars will melt at the arm tips.

Sand ingesting sea cucumbers are nice, but can also suck if they melt. I've had my trio for 3 years and counting.

I still have 1 scarlet red hermit and 2 golf ball-sized Mexican turbos that have been with me for a long time - they're grandfathered into the tank. Various black, white and green stomatella snails, and micro brittle stars also pitch in at night.

In short, unpopular, unconventional and requires a stable tank.
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tomtoothdoc

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Sand Sifting Stars, Nudibraches, and Sea Apples I heard were spectacular at that!


+1. sea apples are spectacular!!!

this formula will take care of any reef problems you have:

1 sea apple + 5 hairy hermit crabs per 10 gal. of water.
they will clean up everything in your tank.

if you also have spousal problems then cone snail and blue ring octopus will take care of that too.

(flame retardant suit on)
 

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