a question on nitrate

[marrone]

Right now just try and stablize your tank and get the levels correct. You may have the right amount of rock as you can't always go by weight as some rock is lighter than other rock.

If your nitrates are at 40ppm, and that not to bad, you should be able to get it down in time. Once you get it down then you need to look and see if it stays down or goes back up. If it goes back up you then need to look at your tank and see if you have flow problems where stuff is getting trapped causing your nitrates to go up or if you need to add more LR or additional bacteria in your tank.

 

[charliethetuna88]

how can i add more bacteria with out adding anymore live rock i wount have any room if i add anymore rock

 

[cali_reef]

charlithetuna88

Here is an article by Dr. Bob Fenner, who is a leading authority in the aquarium hobby and have written numerous book about the hobby. I have met and talked to him few times and I consider a very reliable person for reef related information:

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marphysf.htm

In case you are not into reading the whole article here is what he thinks about Ozone use:
Ozone Dangers: Numerous authors cite the need for carbon filtration, venting to prevent ozone poisoning of livestock, and even hobbyists (!). These fears are largely unfounded. Though I would not directly introduce ozone into a system, the little that intended units produce is dissipated quickly when utilized in a skimmer. The worst that does occur with small ozone generators is increased corrosion of "rubber" materials in your system; well worth the many benefits. You, your fishes and house will not burn up or down, I promise.
My Overall Ozone Opinion: The chemical degradation of large organic molecules, responsible for off-color, turbidity, low oxygen and some toxicities by ozone make it's small start-up and operational costs pale. If you're even vaguely considering an investment in any sort of meter, doser, denitrator, ultraviolet sterilizer... STOP, do not proceed to go; buy and use a small ozonizer in conjunction with your skimmer first. Almost all public aquaria utilize ozone with theirs; you should to.

[ May 26, 2005, 02:06 PM: Message edited by: cali_reef ]

 

[charliethetuna88]

cali what is an ozonizer how do i connect it to my reactor and were co i get it is it like a co2 canaster what does it look like

 

[cali_reef]

Do some reading on Nitrate:

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/nitratesmar.htm

 

[cali_reef]

Originally posted by charliethetuna88:
cali what is an ozonizer how do i connect it to my reactor and were co i get it is it like a co2 canaster what does it look like

Ozonizer is an ozone generator, it is a appliance that uses electrical power, not like a CO2 canister.

Since I am not a scientist nor an expert in Ozone, you should use google and do some research your self in this area, or at least read the article I linked.

 

[marrone]

Originally posted by cali_reef:
charlithetuna88

Here is an article by Dr. Bob Fenner, who is a leading authority in the aquarium hobby and have written numerous book about the hobby. I have met and talked to him few times and I consider a very reliable person for reef related information:

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marphysf.htm

In case you are not into reading the whole article here is what he thinks about Ozone use:
Ozone Dangers: Numerous authors cite the need for carbon filtration, venting to prevent ozone poisoning of livestock, and even hobbyists (!). These fears are largely unfounded. Though I would not directly introduce ozone into a system, the little that intended units produce is dissipated quickly when utilized in a skimmer. The worst that does occur with small ozone generators is increased corrosion of "rubber" materials in your system; well worth the many benefits. You, your fishes and house will not burn up or down, I promise.
My Overall Ozone Opinion: The chemical degradation of large organic molecules, responsible for off-color, turbidity, low oxygen and some toxicities by ozone make it's small start-up and operational costs pale. If you're even vaguely considering an investment in any sort of meter, doser, denitrator, ultraviolet sterilizer... STOP, do not proceed to go; buy and use a small ozonizer in conjunction with your skimmer first. Almost all public aquaria utilize ozone with theirs; you should to.

Bob is just one of the many people out there who have written books, and there isn't one person out there who has written a book where you can take what they wrote in the book as bible. Bob is just one of the many people in the industry that you need to take what they say and weight it against other people actually exprecinces, what you find it alot of time they aren't right or just didn't know because they haven't dealt with the product or problem. They're just another source of information out there to be used no more no less.

Also just because Bob said that other author were wrong on ozone doesn't make him right.

Actually someone posted a question to Bob about a hose coming off the unit and the next day the person house smell of ozone. Now since most people have their tanks usally in a room or a basement that is not right next to a window this could lead to a problem. People need to know that this could happen and they should take this into account before using the product.

 

[charliethetuna88]

thank bro great help

 

[cali_reef]

Originally posted by marrone:
Bob is just one of the many people out there who have written books, and there isn't one person out there who has written a book where you can take what they wrote in the book as bible. Bob is just one of the many people in the industry that you need to take what they say and weight it against other people actually exprecinces, what you find it alot of time they aren't right or just didn't know because they haven't dealt with the product or problem. They're just another source of information out there to be used no more no less.

Also just because Bob said that other author were wrong on ozone doesn't make him right.

Actually someone posted a question to Bob about a hose coming off the unit and the next day the person house smell of ozone. Now since most people have their tanks usally in a room or a basement that is not right next to a window this could lead to a problem. People need to know that this could happen and they should take this into account before using the product.

My point exactly, so did you experienced all the problems with ozone, such as headaches or levels build up to consider ?dangerous?? I have used it on and off for about 4 years now and I have never experienced the problems you have stated. Like I have said, it is not dangerous if you use it properly.

 

[marrone]

I haven't used it but like I stated other people that I know have used it and have had problems with leakage and ozone smells and because for the most part my tanks in the past were in area that didn't have alot of air flow I didn't want to chance it.

Just because you haven't had problem doesn't mean other people haven't or willn't but you need to make people aware that if could happen. The thing is most people mayn't set it up correctly and you need to make them aware of problem to could happen. Most people have their tanks in closed area in their home/apartment and because of that you need to make them aware of theses problems.

 

[joseney21]

if you siphoned your tank all at once you disturbed the bacteria colonies living on it, possibly siphoning out much of those colonies.although it may have seemed like a quick fix you must now wait until bacteria colonies are back up to necessary levels to maintain the nitrogen cycle at an appropiate pace,this might be a reason for the nitrate build up.it is recommended that you siphon out only part of the tank (if any)when you do water changes, siphoning out another small portion with the next water change.

[ May 26, 2005, 08:09 PM: Message edited by: joseney21 ]

 

[charliethetuna88]

jose i think ur right bro

 

[cali_reef]

Originally posted by marrone:
I haven't used it but like I stated other people that I know have used it and have had problems with leakage and ozone smells and because for the most part my tanks in the past were in area that didn't have alot of air flow I didn't want to chance it.

Just because you haven't had problem doesn't mean other people haven't or willn't but you need to make people aware that if could happen. The thing is most people mayn't set it up correctly and you need to make them aware of problem to could happen. Most people have their tanks in closed area in their home/apartment and because of that you need to make them aware of theses problems.

So let me get this straight,

1. You have many years of experience in the hobby.
2. You are recommending people not to use ozone because they are ?dangers and can cause headaches?.
3. You have never used ozone and your experiences is limited to few people you know that had problems with it leaking.
4. You don?t want to chance it because your tanks are in areas that don?t have a lot of airflow.

Remember what I said about people recommending to others on stuff they read off the internet? I really think you should just tell him he should NOT CONSIDER running ozone because it can POTENTIALLY be harmful if not USED PROPERLY. Following instructions from the manufacturer or someone that had success using one is better than be ignorant about it and using it improperly.

 

[marrone]

I really think you need to learn to read what I posted:

"As for Ozone, its good for adding oxygen to you tank, decrease dissolved wastes, ozone shrubs the tank down and removes all kinds of things, and is good against parasite. Using ozone will make the water quaility of your tank alot better but you need to get a ozinizer and a controller to run it on your oxegen/ozone reactor unit. Also if your tank is inside your house/apartment it's not a good idea to run ozone and it can be dangerous to people and cause headaches if your room isn't well ventalated."

If you read the above I did tell him about the POTENTIALLY PROBLEM AND THAT IT CAN BE HARMFUL.

I've know alot of people that have used ozone in the past, not just a few and yes I haven't used it myself because of concern of my apartment at the time not having alot of ventalation. Also just because you have used it without a problem doesn't mean that other people haven't had problem and that people should be made aware of problems that could happen. It has nothing to do with ignorant about the product, that relly some joke there as just because your using it without any problems that everyone else is ignorant about the product. I'm just put out the problems that may come about from using the product.

I find it funny what you say about the internet and then you post a link for Bob Fenner website, which just happen to go alot with your think. Like I said about the internet, and Bob website, it's just more data to take into consideration.

 

[Deanos]

Jeez guys..take your beefs to PMing. Seems like half this thread is comprised of quotes from previous arguments between you two.

 

[marrone]

I thought we had moved on but then the last post....

 

[joseney21]

Group Hug !!!!!!C'mon guys, who's in??squeeze very hard, but be gentle....mmmm, doesn't that feel good???back to helping charlie out...

 

[Deanos]

Group hug?! Someone might get stabbed. LOL

 

[joseney21]

lmao!!

 

[nanoreefer22]

I'm with Jose lets not turn this into RC.