Monster hurricanes could hit U.S. - CNN : Are your tanks rea
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I have a Perc that was resued out of a tank that was in the Ft Worth tornado last year.
I know my LFS went in and dismantled a few tanks that had happened to be in the line of that tornado....well, what was left of them.
I think electricity would be my major concern. If my roof got blown off I believe the last thing I would be worrying about is my tank.
Gosh, I hope no one from PETA reads this!
I know my LFS went in and dismantled a few tanks that had happened to be in the line of that tornado....well, what was left of them.
I think electricity would be my major concern. If my roof got blown off I believe the last thing I would be worrying about is my tank.
Gosh, I hope no one from PETA reads this!
FWIW,this story is several months old with a lot of what ifs in it.Gee, I'm reminded of a "little chicken".With statement like "Scientists say the Earth's climate goes through cycles, but they don't know why." it
just becomes speculation.Why get all riled up over something you can't do anything about unless you just like spreading fear.
just becomes speculation.Why get all riled up over something you can't do anything about unless you just like spreading fear.
Yeah, years ago, they were telling us Californians that "IF" a major quake "POSSIBLY" strike us in "LIKELY" next 30 years....... Lots of IF, BUT, MAYBE, LIKELY, POSSIBLY....yadi yada yadi yada...etc.
Heck, if I get (or deserve
) to die during a major quake, I'd take my tank along with me. What am I going to do in hell without my tanks.
Heck, if I get (or deserve
This really is not acase of IF, When, or Might.
it is a case of IS.
I lived on the Florida coast for 6 years and know first hand the weather patterns are changing.
5 Years ago and for countless years before that we got most of our hurricanes in June, July and August. Every year now the activity starts later in the year.
The biggest Killer Canes have always been late in the year storms for Florida because the summer High moves northward. Ths area of high pressure usually spins the Hurricanes up the eastern seaboard and back out in the Atlantic were they die out. Without he area of hgh pressure they do not turn northward untill it is to late.
A couple of years ago we went 1 week without electricity in Titusville Florida. I had to run a large battery powered aerator, the type for live wells in a boat, it sounded like a crop duster and come home every day to do water changes. I did not lose a fish but they were all FW.
On this side of the States this is very real.
it is a case of IS.
I lived on the Florida coast for 6 years and know first hand the weather patterns are changing.
5 Years ago and for countless years before that we got most of our hurricanes in June, July and August. Every year now the activity starts later in the year.
The biggest Killer Canes have always been late in the year storms for Florida because the summer High moves northward. Ths area of high pressure usually spins the Hurricanes up the eastern seaboard and back out in the Atlantic were they die out. Without he area of hgh pressure they do not turn northward untill it is to late.
A couple of years ago we went 1 week without electricity in Titusville Florida. I had to run a large battery powered aerator, the type for live wells in a boat, it sounded like a crop duster and come home every day to do water changes. I did not lose a fish but they were all FW.
On this side of the States this is very real.
CNN - what a toilet-load of unsubstantiated, sensationalized "news reporting":
"Weather researchers think the evidence is
now clear: A major shift in the
climate has taken place that has
brought about an increase in major
hurricanes."
Says who? "hurricane meteorologist Stanly Goldenberg?" Who the hell is that guy? My family's been in New Orleans for the last 150 years and the hurricanes come and they go. Last year was supposed to be a killer hurricane season and it wasn't. I'm really getting tired of the media trying to tell people the world is going to end and not having any credible evidence to indicate anything special. This is a clear case of CNN "creating" news. They should be ashamed of themselves.
I don't think "scientists" is a valid source for a news story. You all should complain to CNN and tell them to endeavor to approach something that resembles JOURNALISM!
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"Weather researchers think the evidence is
now clear: A major shift in the
climate has taken place that has
brought about an increase in major
hurricanes."
Says who? "hurricane meteorologist Stanly Goldenberg?" Who the hell is that guy? My family's been in New Orleans for the last 150 years and the hurricanes come and they go. Last year was supposed to be a killer hurricane season and it wasn't. I'm really getting tired of the media trying to tell people the world is going to end and not having any credible evidence to indicate anything special. This is a clear case of CNN "creating" news. They should be ashamed of themselves.
I don't think "scientists" is a valid source for a news story. You all should complain to CNN and tell them to endeavor to approach something that resembles JOURNALISM!
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Mabu,
Before you go BASHING CNN...
You should do research, or you will look like a fool when it turns out that the story that CNN was reporting actually does come true...
I suppose you are one of those people who thought global warming was a hoax too, just because it was cold in your neck of the woods...
I had been doing some amateur climate research for the past 6 months or so and several times I came across charts, graphs, weather data, and hurricane data that the "analyst" on that weather page thought was a returning to more violent storms, following a "cycle" pattern. It's interesting to note that your family has been living in New Orleans for 150 years and they also report a cycle of hurricanes "coming" and "going".
Last night on National Public Radio (NPR) they had a 5-10minute "special" on this exact same subject, and why meteorolgists believe that we really *are* entering into the more violent cycle.
So don't just go blindly BASHING people or organisations just because you find it "hard to believe"...
I do agree that news plays on "sensationalism", but for you to accuse CNN of "creating news" is unsubstantiated and foolish...
-Nathan
Before you go BASHING CNN...
You should do research, or you will look like a fool when it turns out that the story that CNN was reporting actually does come true...
I suppose you are one of those people who thought global warming was a hoax too, just because it was cold in your neck of the woods...
I had been doing some amateur climate research for the past 6 months or so and several times I came across charts, graphs, weather data, and hurricane data that the "analyst" on that weather page thought was a returning to more violent storms, following a "cycle" pattern. It's interesting to note that your family has been living in New Orleans for 150 years and they also report a cycle of hurricanes "coming" and "going".
Last night on National Public Radio (NPR) they had a 5-10minute "special" on this exact same subject, and why meteorolgists believe that we really *are* entering into the more violent cycle.
So don't just go blindly BASHING people or organisations just because you find it "hard to believe"...
I do agree that news plays on "sensationalism", but for you to accuse CNN of "creating news" is unsubstantiated and foolish...
-Nathan
You don't think new sources sensationalize new? Have you all heard about the Train wreck/Fire in Baltimore? If you just read the news reports you'd think the entire town was shut down and on fire.
I work blocks from the accident and I wouldn't even have known there was one unless I listened to the news.
If you going to report sensational news have real sources to back it up. That CNN report sounded like a Tabloid article.
I work blocks from the accident and I wouldn't even have known there was one unless I listened to the news.
If you going to report sensational news have real sources to back it up. That CNN report sounded like a Tabloid article.
Here's another news source saying basically the same thing:
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/huricane/whur0.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/hurricane/stories/2001/2001-07-19-hurricanes-amm.htm
-Nathan
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/huricane/whur0.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/hurricane/stories/2001/2001-07-19-hurricanes-amm.htm
-Nathan
OK...face it...if you live by the ocean and get hit by a CAT 4 or 5 hurricane your reef tank, and probably most of your house, is heading out to sea. I wonder how many non-native aquarium species were introduced into Florida waters when Andrew hit in 1992?
There is a nice NOAA article about the effect of storms (and people) on reefs at: http://www.sanctuaries.nos.noaa.gov/scied/science/habitat/influences.html#natural
There is a nice NOAA article about the effect of storms (and people) on reefs at: http://www.sanctuaries.nos.noaa.gov/scied/science/habitat/influences.html#natural
Her we go again with the fearmongering comming from it's usual source...CNN(Clinton's News Network).
First it was the 70's when Global Cooling was in effect. Then when that hoopla didn't pan out,they said,"Let's try Global Warming". Since they started this crap with Global Warming it appears to be cooloer and cooler every summer in NY. Hopefully they keep it up and NY will only have one long springtime.
One of these 70's radicals who pushed this Cooling garbage just recently came out and said that it is a necessary evil to lie to the public for the better good of man and the earth. He also went on to say that no lie is better than one with proposes DOOM and GLOOM. People just eat it up. Don't let your emotions get in the way of rational thought.
See You In The SUMP!!!!!!!!
Dan
First it was the 70's when Global Cooling was in effect. Then when that hoopla didn't pan out,they said,"Let's try Global Warming". Since they started this crap with Global Warming it appears to be cooloer and cooler every summer in NY. Hopefully they keep it up and NY will only have one long springtime.
One of these 70's radicals who pushed this Cooling garbage just recently came out and said that it is a necessary evil to lie to the public for the better good of man and the earth. He also went on to say that no lie is better than one with proposes DOOM and GLOOM. People just eat it up. Don't let your emotions get in the way of rational thought.
See You In The SUMP!!!!!!!!
Dan
Well now suppose I dumped 2 gallons of chlorine bleach into your reeftank. If you think everything will suffer or possibly die, then I think you're just being an emotional Liberal. You have no evidence that this will occur. Can you cite such occurrences?
This then points out the problem that the right-wingers aren't thinking through (what a rarity). In this example, we are familiar with the chemical behavior of chlorine bleach, and know that not only will it raise the pH of the system to an unacceptable level, but that the chlorine is toxic...
Fact: carbon dioxide is a "greenhouse gas", in that it traps thermal energy in the atmosphere instead of allowing it to radiate out into space. Don't bother with the protests, dittoheads - even the Bush administration concedes this (you know, the real scientific professionals).
Fact #2: (The dittoheads should be getting nervous at this point) The average carbon dioxide level in the atmoshere is rising, due to human activities.
** We cannot predict what exactly will happen due to the increase in atmospherice CO2. (this is the most common complaint) - just as we can't predict which will be the first fish or coral to die in your bleached reef tank.
We can predict, however, that the climate will change, with a very high probability. And no, it probably won't change in ways that we prefer...
Fair & Balanced reporting. I Report. You Decide.
(PS: ANEMONEBUFF - What did I tell you about posting to reefs.org while off your Ritalin??)
[ July 22, 2001: Message edited by: Cheese Sandwich ]
This then points out the problem that the right-wingers aren't thinking through (what a rarity). In this example, we are familiar with the chemical behavior of chlorine bleach, and know that not only will it raise the pH of the system to an unacceptable level, but that the chlorine is toxic...
Fact: carbon dioxide is a "greenhouse gas", in that it traps thermal energy in the atmosphere instead of allowing it to radiate out into space. Don't bother with the protests, dittoheads - even the Bush administration concedes this (you know, the real scientific professionals).
Fact #2: (The dittoheads should be getting nervous at this point) The average carbon dioxide level in the atmoshere is rising, due to human activities.
** We cannot predict what exactly will happen due to the increase in atmospherice CO2. (this is the most common complaint) - just as we can't predict which will be the first fish or coral to die in your bleached reef tank.
We can predict, however, that the climate will change, with a very high probability. And no, it probably won't change in ways that we prefer...
Fair & Balanced reporting. I Report. You Decide.
(PS: ANEMONEBUFF - What did I tell you about posting to reefs.org while off your Ritalin??)
[ July 22, 2001: Message edited by: Cheese Sandwich ]
hahahaha.....Did CNN fail to report about the company in South Forida that has invented a powder substance that when dumped into a storm it absorbs 2000 times its weight in water. Sucking the energy out of the storms (yea right). And it was just tested and the rader showed a thunderstorm just dried up off shore last week(riiiiight).
And it was confirmed by a local television station(that they failed to name).And this will stop a hurricane in its track.
All this and it is perfectly safe for the ocean.
And who is the one person besides the company going to benefit. Insurance Companys........
I think im way off the topic.
And it was confirmed by a local television station(that they failed to name).And this will stop a hurricane in its track.
There is a fundamental problem with all such climate and weather related predictions (not just with doom-and-gloom type), and it is one that relates directly to the science of reefing.
That is that human beings are trying to evaluate trends that exist on a time scale many times that of a normal human life span.
What is very significant to man may not matter a whit over geological time. An example:
Suppose, just for the sake of illustration, that the earth's average temperature fluctuates cyclically in a fixed range with a regular sinusoidal variation having a period of one thousand years.
Now suppose that a good-faith observer making regular temperature readings over a ten year period finds the average temperature to be increasing almost monotonically - on such a short time span, this might be due to purely random noise in the cycle, even though they were actually living in a century that was on a falling portion of the sine wave.
Now, suppose a somewhat wiser observer recognizes the flaw in a ten-year study and goes back more than two hundred years by looking at temperature records in old almanacs and by examining the rings in old-growth trees. This observer chuckles knowingly at the naiveté of the ten-year observer, and concludes that the earth's average temperature is in fact falling rather than rising. But of course, this observer is also wrong, having examined only one-quarter of the full actual cycle.
Finally, suppose a third scientist pulls out all the stops and gathers accurate, world-wide records covering five hundred years - but for a time period that happens to center right at the bottom cusp of the sine wave. This scientist concludes that the earth's average temperature was falling for 250 years before due to a min-ice age, but has been rising for the last 200 years due to the influence of industrial man.
This last scientist is just as wrong as the others, not only because his sample size was too small, but because he assigned erroneous, unsupported interpretations as to the cause of the behavior of his data.
One would need accurate temperature records over the whole globe for three- to five-thousand years to accurately recognize what was really going on in terms of the temperature cycle - even assuming the cycle were a simple regular sine wave.
Even the US National Weather Service only dates back to just after the American Civil War, and has records for only a fraction of the United States for most of that time. All records before that have to be inferred from the fragmentary reports, or from the geological record, a process open to interpretations influenced by all sorts of human weakness, everything from ignorance to ego to outright malice.
In closing, it should be noted that the "news" agencies quoted above in this post are all citing the same questionable primary source -- a recent article that appeared in a pulp "science" magazine. Magazines have to publish every month, and newspapers have to publish every day, regardless of whether anything worth printing about is going on, so what we are really seeing here is just the dross of a slow news day in the summer. Most of the popular press just copies each-other and prints what comes off the wire services anyway. Very little actual journalism goes on any more.
(In any case, your tank is much more likely to experience a power outage from a car hitting a utility pole or from a squirrel shorting a transformer than from a hurricane, so prepare anyway.)
[ July 22, 2001: Message edited by: BReefCase ]
[ July 22, 2001: Message edited by: BReefCase ]
That is that human beings are trying to evaluate trends that exist on a time scale many times that of a normal human life span.
What is very significant to man may not matter a whit over geological time. An example:
Suppose, just for the sake of illustration, that the earth's average temperature fluctuates cyclically in a fixed range with a regular sinusoidal variation having a period of one thousand years.
Now suppose that a good-faith observer making regular temperature readings over a ten year period finds the average temperature to be increasing almost monotonically - on such a short time span, this might be due to purely random noise in the cycle, even though they were actually living in a century that was on a falling portion of the sine wave.
Now, suppose a somewhat wiser observer recognizes the flaw in a ten-year study and goes back more than two hundred years by looking at temperature records in old almanacs and by examining the rings in old-growth trees. This observer chuckles knowingly at the naiveté of the ten-year observer, and concludes that the earth's average temperature is in fact falling rather than rising. But of course, this observer is also wrong, having examined only one-quarter of the full actual cycle.
Finally, suppose a third scientist pulls out all the stops and gathers accurate, world-wide records covering five hundred years - but for a time period that happens to center right at the bottom cusp of the sine wave. This scientist concludes that the earth's average temperature was falling for 250 years before due to a min-ice age, but has been rising for the last 200 years due to the influence of industrial man.
This last scientist is just as wrong as the others, not only because his sample size was too small, but because he assigned erroneous, unsupported interpretations as to the cause of the behavior of his data.
One would need accurate temperature records over the whole globe for three- to five-thousand years to accurately recognize what was really going on in terms of the temperature cycle - even assuming the cycle were a simple regular sine wave.
Even the US National Weather Service only dates back to just after the American Civil War, and has records for only a fraction of the United States for most of that time. All records before that have to be inferred from the fragmentary reports, or from the geological record, a process open to interpretations influenced by all sorts of human weakness, everything from ignorance to ego to outright malice.
In closing, it should be noted that the "news" agencies quoted above in this post are all citing the same questionable primary source -- a recent article that appeared in a pulp "science" magazine. Magazines have to publish every month, and newspapers have to publish every day, regardless of whether anything worth printing about is going on, so what we are really seeing here is just the dross of a slow news day in the summer. Most of the popular press just copies each-other and prints what comes off the wire services anyway. Very little actual journalism goes on any more.
(In any case, your tank is much more likely to experience a power outage from a car hitting a utility pole or from a squirrel shorting a transformer than from a hurricane, so prepare anyway.)
[ July 22, 2001: Message edited by: BReefCase ]
[ July 22, 2001: Message edited by: BReefCase ]
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