AS promised - update on Powder Blue return to LFS
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Terry
with the greatest respect the days of experimenting with keeping fish are gone. It is no longer acceptable to experiment with the keeping of Moorish Idol, for example as was done in the past. It simply is not ethical.
What is acceptable is learning from the mistakes of the past. For example I am interested in your success with the achilles tang. After many failures, how do you attribute your successful keeping of the one you have?
With respect to the powder blue tang issue. I fully agree with SPC. The mortality rate is simply too high to allow this fish to be kept in all but the most expert tanks. I wish I could have one too but I have lost two and will not attempt another.
It is very important that experts like you qualify your comments with your failures and your success, and your opinions as to how a fish might best be successful kept. Otherwise reefers may get the opinion that this powder blue debate is BS
and assume they are easily kept when they are not. You know like I do that the achilles, clown, golden rim, the powder blue are almost impossible fish to keep long term and should only be attempted by the most experienced reefers.
Terry many of us troll the boards daily. More than any other fish, the powder blue is subject to all kinds of threads from reefers soliciting help for their dying fish. It therefor is not only our personal experience but the many many others as well.
Thank you for your posts, Terry.
Esmithiii
For the record, I am Canadian!, but I knew your post was kidding me. Where is that Brit that started all of this?
[ March 18, 2002: Message edited by: naesco ]</p>
with the greatest respect the days of experimenting with keeping fish are gone. It is no longer acceptable to experiment with the keeping of Moorish Idol, for example as was done in the past. It simply is not ethical.
What is acceptable is learning from the mistakes of the past. For example I am interested in your success with the achilles tang. After many failures, how do you attribute your successful keeping of the one you have?
With respect to the powder blue tang issue. I fully agree with SPC. The mortality rate is simply too high to allow this fish to be kept in all but the most expert tanks. I wish I could have one too but I have lost two and will not attempt another.
It is very important that experts like you qualify your comments with your failures and your success, and your opinions as to how a fish might best be successful kept. Otherwise reefers may get the opinion that this powder blue debate is BS
and assume they are easily kept when they are not. You know like I do that the achilles, clown, golden rim, the powder blue are almost impossible fish to keep long term and should only be attempted by the most experienced reefers.
Terry many of us troll the boards daily. More than any other fish, the powder blue is subject to all kinds of threads from reefers soliciting help for their dying fish. It therefor is not only our personal experience but the many many others as well.
Thank you for your posts, Terry.
Esmithiii
For the record, I am Canadian!, but I knew your post was kidding me. Where is that Brit that started all of this?
[ March 18, 2002: Message edited by: naesco ]</p>
Troy,
Your point is well taken, but over at Reef Central they're doing a poll on aquarist's success with this fish for a 6-month period, and almost 50% still have their PB(s).
Certainly, part of my motivation for staying involved with this hobby is to help younger aquarists achieve success, and limit the unnecessary deaths of the animals we are fascinated by. I'm sure you know the cliche: "those that ignore the errors of the past are doomed to repeat them."
Terry
Your point is well taken, but over at Reef Central they're doing a poll on aquarist's success with this fish for a 6-month period, and almost 50% still have their PB(s).
Certainly, part of my motivation for staying involved with this hobby is to help younger aquarists achieve success, and limit the unnecessary deaths of the animals we are fascinated by. I'm sure you know the cliche: "those that ignore the errors of the past are doomed to repeat them."
Terry
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by esmithiii:
<strong>AF, can you provide a link to the poll?
Any possibility to get them tank reared like you can with Hippo tangs?
Ernie</strong><hr></blockquote>
Here's the link. http://reefcentral.com/vbulletin/poll.php?s=&action=showresults&pollid=346
Hippos are being rasied in a different part of the world. I haven't heard of any plans to rear PB fry, but it sure would be nice.
Break throughs spawning and rearing Centropyge angels are happening now. Check out Doug Robbin's Media Review in this month's Advanced Aquarist ezine.
Terry Siegel
<strong>AF, can you provide a link to the poll?
Any possibility to get them tank reared like you can with Hippo tangs?
Ernie</strong><hr></blockquote>
Here's the link. http://reefcentral.com/vbulletin/poll.php?s=&action=showresults&pollid=346
Hippos are being rasied in a different part of the world. I haven't heard of any plans to rear PB fry, but it sure would be nice.
Break throughs spawning and rearing Centropyge angels are happening now. Check out Doug Robbin's Media Review in this month's Advanced Aquarist ezine.
Terry Siegel
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote
Who? Do you mean Crístobal Colón?
Just out of curiosity, does anyone have survival rates for the more common aquarium species, such as Yellow Tangs, Angels, etc? It would be good to compare the survival rates in home aquaria to have an idea of scale.
Ernie
Who? Do you mean Crístobal Colón?
Just out of curiosity, does anyone have survival rates for the more common aquarium species, such as Yellow Tangs, Angels, etc? It would be good to compare the survival rates in home aquaria to have an idea of scale.
Ernie
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Advanced Aquarist, Editor:
Interesting, my picture is not showung up.
Anyway, mine shares a 10-foot tank with 6 other tangs.[/QB]<hr></blockquote>
Edit your Link up there and put the percent sign and the number 20 like this %20 wherever you have a space character in your link and it should work fine
Pretty fish BTW
Interesting, my picture is not showung up.
Anyway, mine shares a 10-foot tank with 6 other tangs.[/QB]<hr></blockquote>
Edit your Link up there and put the percent sign and the number 20 like this %20 wherever you have a space character in your link and it should work fine
Pretty fish BTW
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Jawbone:
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Edit your Link up there and put the percent sign and the number 20 like this %20 wherever you have a space character in your link and it should work fine
Pretty fish BTW</strong><hr></blockquote>
Okay, I'll try it again,
-fixing Terry's image link..... (Chucker)
[ March 19, 2002: Message edited by: Chucker ]</p>
<strong>
Edit your Link up there and put the percent sign and the number 20 like this %20 wherever you have a space character in your link and it should work fine
Pretty fish BTW</strong><hr></blockquote>
Okay, I'll try it again,
-fixing Terry's image link..... (Chucker)
[ March 19, 2002: Message edited by: Chucker ]</p>
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by naesco:
<strong>Terry
with the greatest respect the days of experimenting with keeping fish are gone. It is no longer acceptable to experiment with the keeping of Moorish Idol, for example as was done in the past. It simply is not ethical.
What is acceptable is learning from the mistakes of the past. For example I am interested in your success with the achilles tang. After many failures, how do you attribute your successful keeping of the one you have?
With respect to the powder blue tang issue. I fully agree with SPC. The mortality rate is simply too high to allow this fish to be kept in all but the most expert tanks. I wish I could have one too but I have lost two and will not attempt another.
It is very important that experts like you qualify your comments with your failures and your success, and your opinions as to how a fish might best be successful kept. Otherwise reefers may get the opinion that this powder blue debate is BS
and assume they are easily kept when they are not. You know like I do that the achilles, clown, golden rim, the powder blue are almost impossible fish to keep long term and should only be attempted by the most experienced reefers.
Terry many of us troll the boards daily. More than any other fish, the powder blue is subject to all kinds of threads from reefers soliciting help for their dying fish. It therefor is not only our personal experience but the many many others as well.
Thank you for your posts, Terry.
Esmithiii
For the record, I am Canadian!, but I knew your post was kidding me. Where is that Brit that started all of this?
[ March 18, 2002: Message edited by: naesco ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
You know, you raise difficult moral questions. Based on my experience, I don't believe that it is really difficult to keep any of the surgeonfish, but you are clearly correct when you say that probably over 90% of those captured for our hobby don't make it.
IF, collectors captured surgeonfish with care, shipped them with care, LPSs quarantined them with care, and hobbyists purchased healthy specimens, and fed them properly I believe that the odds of their survival in captivity would change significantly for the better. In fact, that goes for all ornamental fish.
<strong>Terry
with the greatest respect the days of experimenting with keeping fish are gone. It is no longer acceptable to experiment with the keeping of Moorish Idol, for example as was done in the past. It simply is not ethical.
What is acceptable is learning from the mistakes of the past. For example I am interested in your success with the achilles tang. After many failures, how do you attribute your successful keeping of the one you have?
With respect to the powder blue tang issue. I fully agree with SPC. The mortality rate is simply too high to allow this fish to be kept in all but the most expert tanks. I wish I could have one too but I have lost two and will not attempt another.
It is very important that experts like you qualify your comments with your failures and your success, and your opinions as to how a fish might best be successful kept. Otherwise reefers may get the opinion that this powder blue debate is BS
and assume they are easily kept when they are not. You know like I do that the achilles, clown, golden rim, the powder blue are almost impossible fish to keep long term and should only be attempted by the most experienced reefers.
Terry many of us troll the boards daily. More than any other fish, the powder blue is subject to all kinds of threads from reefers soliciting help for their dying fish. It therefor is not only our personal experience but the many many others as well.
Thank you for your posts, Terry.
Esmithiii
For the record, I am Canadian!, but I knew your post was kidding me. Where is that Brit that started all of this?
[ March 18, 2002: Message edited by: naesco ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
You know, you raise difficult moral questions. Based on my experience, I don't believe that it is really difficult to keep any of the surgeonfish, but you are clearly correct when you say that probably over 90% of those captured for our hobby don't make it.
IF, collectors captured surgeonfish with care, shipped them with care, LPSs quarantined them with care, and hobbyists purchased healthy specimens, and fed them properly I believe that the odds of their survival in captivity would change significantly for the better. In fact, that goes for all ornamental fish.
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Chucker:
<strong>Quite frankly, the gent that started the thread may have been spooked by the full page of responses that had absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. The Sump is there for a reason, folks.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And I had nothing to do with it!! First time for everything.
I'm so proud.
Terry!!! I'm an aquarius and like long walks on the beach...
<strong>Quite frankly, the gent that started the thread may have been spooked by the full page of responses that had absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. The Sump is there for a reason, folks.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And I had nothing to do with it!! First time for everything.
Terry!!! I'm an aquarius and like long walks on the beach...
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by danmhippo:
<strong>Sooooo Ughh, getting desperate there eh?</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, fickle.
They have the most gorgeous powderblues. If you remember correctly, it was a powderblue that got me here.
[ March 19, 2002: Message edited by: tangirl ]</p>
<strong>Sooooo Ughh, getting desperate there eh?</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, fickle.
[ March 19, 2002: Message edited by: tangirl ]</p>
With those pictures, it is hard for me to resist trying one even though I think it is a bad idea! For now I will refrain and stick w/ hardier species.
Anyone know what organizations are researching/attempting captive breeding of this or other surgeonfish species?
Anyone know what organizations are researching/attempting captive breeding of this or other surgeonfish species?
Well guys and girls or ladies and gents (UK language)
This has been a very interesting discussion board. I feel personally responsible for the aggresive comments made by my friends who live west of my home. It may be interesting to you to know that in Britain (or more correctly - England)we recently had to renew our passports from blue British passports with the Royal crest to red European passports. For many people in my country, this was a loss of identity. As far as I am concerned, we lost the Great from Great Britain a long time ago. Pride is a strong and at time dangerous attitude. I leave you all with this thought,"Kindness is the most difficult thing to give away, because it keeps being returned." I spend my life teaching people to show respect and tolerance of others. I feel we all in this world need to take the message one step further by 'accepting' others, worts and all. The world would be a better place. That's it. I'm off to feed my Tang some Nori!
CJ
This has been a very interesting discussion board. I feel personally responsible for the aggresive comments made by my friends who live west of my home. It may be interesting to you to know that in Britain (or more correctly - England)we recently had to renew our passports from blue British passports with the Royal crest to red European passports. For many people in my country, this was a loss of identity. As far as I am concerned, we lost the Great from Great Britain a long time ago. Pride is a strong and at time dangerous attitude. I leave you all with this thought,"Kindness is the most difficult thing to give away, because it keeps being returned." I spend my life teaching people to show respect and tolerance of others. I feel we all in this world need to take the message one step further by 'accepting' others, worts and all. The world would be a better place. That's it. I'm off to feed my Tang some Nori!
CJ
you F@#$ing metric people are a pain in the a$$. now don't get all worked up, my wife is canadian so it's not like i am biased against you. but why do you have to make such a big damn deal about stuff. is it really that bad to be called american? jeesh
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