carols new tank

[Carol Reef]

My new 6x2x2 is now up and running! i'v just gone out and bought 4yellow tangs :lol: they are the only inhabitants, apart from a powder blue when i get paid next month? and thats the way its going to stay :roll: i'm really proud! :lol:

 

[Marrowbone]

Mon Jan 06, 2003 5:26 pm Subject: New Tank Set Up
I have just ordered my first marine tank

Congratulations on your new tank. I hope it will work out for you, but this sounds like you are moving way to fast. I'm no expert on cycling larger tanks. Please, please take your time, and don't think about MIs yet.

Can you tell us more about your setup? Do you have any live rock or sand in there?

 

[Osama]

Patience before you load your tank up.
Here is my 6X2X2 after 3 years and the equivalent of 20years of hard labor . http://www.hometown.aol.com/osamazaben/ ... photo.html

 

[reefann]

Id like to know your current setup like filtering ect. But you seem to have a lot in that tank that quick keep an eye on your parameters.
JJ
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[Carol Reef]

Yes I now have 40kgs of live rock which came out of a new found friends tank which he packed up, so that the rock is totally seeded. All my parameters are fine. I also had sand out of the same tank. I will try and get some pictures soon. :lol:

Looking forward to getting a Powder Blue, I think that they are really nice. Also I like Banner Fish :?:

 

[Anonymous]

your powder will very probably be a cyanide caught fish, and they have a deplorable track record in captivity.

just an fyi

 

[teevee]

most people tell me bannerfish eat coral. the boys at wetwebmedia say that h. diphreutus is a safe bet though, if you can find one. they look almost exactly like h. acuminatus, which apparently eats corals like i eat belgian chocolates.

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/heniochu.htm

 

[Garry thomas]

Vitz is this still common practice :?: and if so where :?: it really bothers me this 8O

 

[esmithiii]

Is this a troll? Not to be rude, but it sure seems so to me. She hit all the hot buttons, multiple tangs in a too new tank, powder blue, moorish idol and then fails to respond when questioned about setup, etc.



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[Anonymous]

Garry thomas:

you can find out some interesting info, to start, here:


http://www.reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=24319

 

[Anonymous]

I thought so too e; I ain't bitin.

 

[AllenF]

Regarding the Cyanide method.

I am a newbie so flame if you must. But from what I have read Cyanide is a TEMPORARY thing. If the Powder blue survives transport, and then stays alive for about 2 weeks in the lfs, (that is if no one buys him first or if you can pay the $ and have the dealer hold it for two weeks) then you are past the critical time period. Additionally some dealers at least warranty the specimen for 2 more weeks.

(Wondering if there could be permanent organ damage as a result of cyanide exposure that might not be apparant for several months, so could be mistaken?)

Of course, other than the longevity concern, you may wish to refrain from purchasing this specimen on moral grounds due to destructive fishing methods.

 

[Anonymous]

Regarding the Cyanide method.

I am a newbie so flame if you must. But from what I have read Cyanide is a TEMPORARY thing. If the Powder blue survives transport, and then stays alive for about 2 weeks in the lfs, (that is if no one buys him first or if you can pay the $ and have the dealer hold it for two weeks) then you are past the critical time period. Additionally some dealers at least warranty the specimen for 2 more weeks.

(Wondering if there could be permanent organ damage as a result of cyanide exposure that might not be apparant for several months, so could be mistaken?)

Of course, other than the longevity concern, you may wish to refrain from purchasing this specimen on moral grounds due to destructive fishing methods.

i don't know what you're reading, but:

sodium cyanide,is absorbed through the DIVER'S skin, too, almost instantaneously.

cyanide kills corals-even at small exposures.


even if the cyanide doesn't kill the fish, it severly weakens it, and greatly adds to stress, further reducing survivability percentages in shipping.


there is absolutely NO REASON to use sodium cyanide-all these fish can be net caught, w/proper training of the divers.


you may want to read those links on the recent history of the cyanide, and the diver training historys in the industry forum


mebbe you'ld like to also try some, if it's just a 'temporary thing'?


cyanide is a 'pure poison'- and it has absolutely NO PLACE WHATSOEVER in the marine industry(or any animal industry).PERIOD.

 

[AllenF]

I was not defending the practice. I was nearly commenting on the pharmacutical properties of the substance. I agree it should not be used, the point I was trying to inquire/comment on was the validity of weather this permanently damages the captured specimen or if the low survivability stastic was a relic of deaths near the time of exposure or shipping. Try to be less emotional and more scientific please. I freely admitting that my initial thought on this might even be incorrect if you will re read the post.

If my memory serves me correct (I have not even looked this up or researched it) cyanide disrupts the ability to absorb oxygen. What I can not recall is how long the 1/2 life of this substance is. If it is very short 1/2 life such as the drug used to cardiovert patients with atrial fibrillation (it complety stops the heart and within 3 second the entire drug is metabolized by the body and the heart begins beating again in a normal rhythum) then Id say long term effects are minimal (and that is what I was thinking when I posted earlier). However I now think that the lack of o2 would in fact cause ischemia to critical organs and long term damage would be inevitable.

I am sorry I offended you. As I said, I am new and it is not enough for someone to simply tell me somthig is bad, I want to know in detail the whys and hows.

 

[Anonymous]

AllenF: my apologies,no flaming was intended

but it is important to also realize that it's not just the damage to the fish that's the issue, here, but the other collateral damages, as well. :wink:

 

[AllenF]

No problem

If I say somthing rash also dont take it too personally. Sprited debate not only keeps me sharp but is really the only way Im going to learn anything and flush out my stubborn misconceptions.

 

[esmithiii]

Any sign of Carol?

 

[Expos Forever]

Definetly a TROLL.... She was the one defending GT in the other Tang thread. http://reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t ... sc&start=0

 

[Anonymous]

AllenF

Your preventing the absorbtion of 02 makes sense. My understanding is the posion damages the internal organs of the fish, and even if they continue eating many of them no longer have the ability to process the food and die within a month of two.
When I didn't know better, I got a PBT, and then a second one from a different LFS, that looked fine, ate fine, got no ich, and then promptly died.

RR

 

[Garry thomas]

Without going off thread, Vitz that is truly shocking! is it right the diver exposed as well , and will also suffer long term? and yea, where are you carol?